GA GA - Katherine Janness & Dog Bowie Fatally Stabbed - Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 2021 #5

[Cowabunga02]

Pandasleuth, You and the members posting lately have good points, and it’s compassionate that you’re still caring about what happened to Katie and Bowie. I very much do as well. I believe the intelligent approach, as you’ve all suggested about the APD being swamped, the killer possibly Somehow being unbelievably lucky-so far-and that it was not random nor someone from out of town, is the fair way to look at those involved trying hard to solve this murder. And it makes sense that it was someone who had a grudge against her, however well she was liked by 99.9% of those who knew her. Something connecting the killer just Has to break. Katie’s family and Emma need answers.

Regarding the Idaho murders: 1. I am so very relieved and glad for the families of the individuals who were so viciously murdered that the killer was apprehended. 2 I think the wording used saying that crime was worse isn’t accurate. ALL of these murders are horrific and unacceptable; the number of victims in Idaho was larger, but that doesn’t mean the pain and fear and suffering each of them experienced was worse than what Katie went through. Individually, ALL of these human beings who were daughters, sons, siblings, cousins, friends-all of them are and will be terribly missed; the killer in Idaho and in Piedmont Park took away so much more than can be imagined; he/she took the lives of five young people and the potential they had to grow into their best selves, and also to contribute to our universal community; he/she altered forever the lives of all those on the fringes of their daily worlds up to those family and friends who are now struggling (and those who continue to do so every single day having lost Katie and Bowie), who mourn, who can barely make it through the hours much less entire days. Every loss matters immensely. Every loss by murder is unconscionable and affects so very many, often for the rest of their lives.

Many of the members have since the beginning posted very intelligent and thoughtful theories-ones I sincerely hope the APD has read and physically looked into. I apologize that I sounded as if only of late have people shared reasonable and also creative ideas on what happened on July 28th. Most of you have done so consistently all this time. And I believe My wording about the Idaho murders not being worse than Katie’s and Bowie’s was not considerate-the Idaho victims’ murders were collectively worse. I apologize for sounding judgmental.

 

[Pandasleuth2]

Many of the members have since the beginning posted very intelligent and thoughtful theories-ones I sincerely hope the APD has read and physically looked into. I apologize that I sounded as if only of late have people shared reasonable and also creative ideas on what happened on July 28th. Most of you have done so consistently all this time. And I believe My wording about the Idaho murders not being worse than Katie’s and Bowie’s was not considerate-the Idaho victims’ murders were collectively worse. I apologize for sounding judgmental.

Not judgmental at all. I think most of us who grew up and lived in the area of midtown, and played/socialized with that scene, feel KJs was worse because we knew her/knew of her. I can’t sleep at night because if this, what she must have went through. I can’t wait for Justice.

 

[Cowabunga02]

Not judgmental at all. I think most of us who grew up and lived in the area of midtown, and played/socialized with that scene, feel KJs was worse because we knew her/knew of her. I can’t sleep at night because if this, what she must have went through. I can’t wait for Justice.

Thank you for saying that. I always wake up remembering my dreams and since that day I’ve had quite a few bad ones. I do have faith that the detectives are doing what they can given the other crimes they must keep up with. I hope the arrogance of the killer/s trip them up. It sure takes a mentally tough person to survive this world, if we are given the chance.

 

[Pandasleuth2]

Thank you for saying that. I always wake up remembering my dreams and since that day I’ve had quite a few bad ones. I do have faith that the detectives are doing what they can given the other crimes they must keep up with. I hope the arrogance of the killer/s trip them up. It sure takes a mentally tough person to survive this world, if we are given the chance.

I also agree that their arrogance will trip them up. I think whoever it is is not remorseful, and they are thinking “they got away” with it. I feel they are just going on with life as if nothing happened. Because they are a narcissist.

However, as hard as it is, I’m trying to give APD the benefit of the doubt. I don’t think they are purposefully dragging us along and taking their time. I think this crime bothers them too and they are aggravated that they can’t go make the arrest of this said person, that they know who did it. I believe they have suspects, but I believe there is red tape blocking the arrests. JMO

We shall see, until then all we can do is sit back and wait. However, sitting back and waiting doesn’t mean remaining silent. Because it seems no one else is out in the streets demanding justice for her, strangers must do it.

 

[JayLee#99]

Who knows. Like the Idaho murders, the APD notified the FBI immediately for assistance apparently. Something triggered that. But it has not resulted in an arrest. Is the killer known to KJ? or a stranger? It seems if it was someone known to her, that link would have been discovered. So based on that I sort of lean to the idea this was more random, just a psycho looking for a victim. But that itself has problems.
As for the negligence on the side of police, we don't know. No crime scene investigation is going to be perfect. APD is a large department with tremendous resources, plus the GBI and FBI. But lets not forget that there were 159 other murders in Atlanta in 2021. That is staggering.

I wonder how many of the 159 murders are unsolved?

 

[dotr]

AJC Atlanta Homicides 2021 Special Report

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has tracked Atlanta homicides for 2021, including how many people were killed and a detailed report about the victims. Find the articles here.

www.ajc.com

''After a historically deadly 2020, when Atlanta authorities investigated more homicide cases than they had in decades, 2021′s case count was higher.

Investigators worked 158 cases last year, a dispiriting tally. The city hasn’t seen this many homicide cases in a single year since 1996, the year of the deadly Centennial Olympic Park bombing.

Journalists on The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s crime and public safety team cover fatal shootings, stabbings and beatings with depressing regularity, but we don’t consider this work routine. Today’s coverage in a special e-paper section shares not only the grim numbers but the stories behind them, and city leaders’ plans for combatting the violence.
Full coverage of the 2021 Atlanta Homicides special report

In 2021, Atlanta’s killings surged for a second straight year

Little solace for families of Atlanta’s homicide victims

Atlanta’s 2021 homicide victims

What it’s like documenting homicide investigations

VIDEO: What it’s like to report on the scene of Atlanta homicides

OPINION: Atlanta violence through time. It’s scary now. Nothing like it was

More AJC crime & public safety coverage

Atlanta records 158th homicide of 2021, passing 2020′s total

Kids, teens across metro Atlanta among 2021 shooting deaths''

 

[Valiant]

Murders were up in Atlanta again in 2022.

Atlanta homicides increased for third consecutive year in 2022, data shows

Atlanta police investigated 7% more homicides in 2022 than in 2021. Burglaries, shoplifting and car thefts also increased in the city.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Personally I don’t think the police have a definite suspect and are just gathering information or waiting for them to slip up. I think it’s either 1) they have a suspect, can’t prove it, and for whatever reason they don’t consider that person a threat any more, or 2) they don’t have a suspect.
If they had a good suspect still out in public but not enough proof, they’d be pushing the public for more information IMO.

 

[PrairieWind]

It is good to see folks still stopping by here. I just don't know what to think. It is hard to imagine a killer could have done all that was done to KJ and Bowie and NOT have left DNA behind. Maybe the killer just got lucky. And perhaps LE has DNA, but it still hasn't led to a suspect. It just seems like every theory I come up with doesn't quite fit for some reason.

 

[Pandasleuth2]

LE may have captured DNA, it would be nearly impossible not to leave any.

But maybe that DNA wasn’t foreign DNA, aka, it made sense that it was there, aka, they can’t make an arrest based off that DNA because it’s explainable.

So if someone in her inner circle committed this crime (not pointing fingers) then it would be hard to use that as evidence since the DNA being in her clothes or body could easily be explained.

That means that need evidence other than that, and maybe that’s what they’re having a hard time obtaining and proving. JMO.

 

[PrairieWind]

LE may have captured DNA, it would be nearly impossible not to leave any.

But maybe that DNA wasn’t foreign DNA, aka, it made sense that it was there, aka, they can’t make an arrest based off that DNA because it’s explainable.

So if someone in her inner circle committed this crime (not pointing fingers) then it would be hard to use that as evidence since the DNA being in her clothes or body could easily be explained.

That means that need evidence other than that, and maybe that’s what they’re having a hard time obtaining and proving. JMO.

I certainly agree. But that sort of depends upon where the DNA came from. If its touch DNA, and it is someone in her circle, that wouldn't mean much because of course a friend's dna could be on the dog or clothing item etc.. But if the DNA is obtained from blood at the scene, and it is someone close to her, that would tell a different story. But even then, without more to back that up, how do police put together a case? Certainly the police know a lot more than we do. They took that tree branch for some reason. They were very interested in searching the lake right after. Now we might think, of course they would look at the lake, but they seemed VERY interested. What led to that? We don't know. Part of me tells me that logic, averages tells us the killer is someone known to her. But I would think someone known to her, the police would have connected those dots by now. The fact that police weren't asking for much help from the public also led to me to think that they had a good idea.

 

[Valiant]

LE may have captured DNA, it would be nearly impossible not to leave any.

But maybe that DNA wasn’t foreign DNA, aka, it made sense that it was there, aka, they can’t make an arrest based off that DNA because it’s explainable.

So if someone in her inner circle committed this crime (not pointing fingers) then it would be hard to use that as evidence since the DNA being in her clothes or body could easily be explained.

That means that need evidence other than that, and maybe that’s what they’re having a hard time obtaining and proving. JMO.

If they’re had a hard time getting evidence for a suspect, it certainly doesn’t get any easier as time goes on so they need to change their approach.
Maybe there is unknown DNA that hasn’t got a hit. Anything else I fear is just wishful dreaming.

 

[Pandasleuth2]

I certainly agree. But that sort of depends upon where the DNA came from. If its touch DNA, and it is someone in her circle, that wouldn't mean much because of course a friend's dna could be on the dog or clothing item etc.. But if the DNA is obtained from blood at the scene, and it is someone close to her, that would tell a different story. But even then, without more to back that up, how do police put together a case? Certainly the police know a lot more than we do. They took that tree branch for some reason. They were very interested in searching the lake right after. Now we might think, of course they would look at the lake, but they seemed VERY interested. What led to that? We don't know. Part of me tells me that logic, averages tells us the killer is someone known to her. But I would think someone known to her, the police would have connected those dots by now. The fact that police weren't asking for much help from the public also led to me to think that they had a good idea.

I agree. Its pretty much exactly where Im at. I do think its pretty obvious that police know way more than any of us do. And I think its pretty certain that there is a lot left out of the public eye.

The only thing that I cant shake my opinion on is, I still think they know exactly who did this, and they have bits of "evidence" they just are held up because they don't have the "smoking gun." Like, I think they KNOW who did this, but they just can't make the arrest yet because they don't think they can get a conviction. I think they will, but they are still tying up loose ends because they want to make sure, 100% before they announce and make this arrest. I think I am trying to be patient, and giving them more credit than I have been. I think they are smarter than they are leading people to believe and are just taking their time to be meticulous. I would surely hope so at least.

Also, I will predict that DNA in the blood evidence or on tree branch will be how they are going to prove it. I think they have touch DNA, which means nothing right now because its "supposed to be there", but its not supposed to be in the blood evidence, and I think that is what is going to make the difference in this case. That is how they are going to nab this person.

 

[PrairieWind]

I agree. Its pretty much exactly where Im at. I do think its pretty obvious that police know way more than any of us do. And I think its pretty certain that there is a lot left out of the public eye.

The only thing that I cant shake my opinion on is, I still think they know exactly who did this, and they have bits of "evidence" they just are held up because they don't have the "smoking gun." Like, I think they KNOW who did this, but they just can't make the arrest yet because they don't think they can get a conviction. I think they will, but they are still tying up loose ends because they want to make sure, 100% before they announce and make this arrest. I think I am trying to be patient, and giving them more credit than I have been. I think they are smarter than they are leading people to believe and are just taking their time to be meticulous. I would surely hope so at least.

Also, I will predict that DNA in the blood evidence or on tree branch will be how they are going to prove it. I think they have touch DNA, which means nothing right now because its "supposed to be there", but its not supposed to be in the blood evidence, and I think that is what is going to make the difference in this case. That is how they are going to nab this person.

I think it is quite possible, maybe even probably, that police have a very very strong suspect. I wouldn't go so far as to say they "know", but thats just semantics. But I agree, they just don't have the evidence to pull the trigger on an arrest yet. I think this because of how LE is NOT continuing to ask for public assistance. You would think with a killer that is capable of this type of killing AND bold enough to do it in this manner and place, they would be desperate to solve it. But maybe the person they strongly suspect is already in custody for something else, so they figure there isn't a huge rush since the public is not in imminent danger. Or perhaps their suspect is dead even.

This case in a way has had a "Jack the RIpper" feel to it, and in a way still does. Why did the Ripper killings stop?

 

[christi.g]

do you guys think it’s possible that this monster from the UK was involved? I tried looking to see if he was in Atlanta at the time or if he has family here for a possible link to the city but couldn’t find anything. I’m also not an expert at that kind of thing though so maybe y’all would be better at that.

 

[dotr]

do you guys think it’s possible that this monster from the UK was involved? I tried looking to see if he was in Atlanta at the time or if he has family here for a possible link to the city but couldn’t find anything. I’m also not an expert at that kind of thing though so maybe y’all would be better at that.

Wowzie, missed that one have to check it out, thank you for noting..

• 25 Jul 2022 rbbm

''Far-right rapist carved word ‘fat’ into victim’s skin with knife before violent sex attack''​

jury heard particularly distressing evidence that former soldier Michael Coyle humiliated his 39-year-old victim by using a craft knife to carve the word “sl*t” into her thigh; “w***e” into her arm; “old” and “saggy” on her breasts, and the letters “FAT” across her stomach.''

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

do you guys think it’s possible that this monster from the UK was involved? I tried looking to see if he was in Atlanta at the time or if he has family here for a possible link to the city but couldn’t find anything. I’m also not an expert at that kind of thing though so maybe y’all would be better at that.

That case involves a domestic situation and aside from the letters "carved" - there is just nothing that would even indicate this could even remotely be connected IMO... The details are just way way different. <modsnip - criticizing an approved source>

I have seen new posts here and always hope it is because you're all in here discussing a big break.

Regardless, new posts mean new ideas, new eyes, new thoughts.

While we wait..

 

[Pandasleuth2]

I think it is quite possible, maybe even probably, that police have a very very strong suspect. I wouldn't go so far as to say they "know", but thats just semantics. But I agree, they just don't have the evidence to pull the trigger on an arrest yet. I think this because of how LE is NOT continuing to ask for public assistance. You would think with a killer that is capable of this type of killing AND bold enough to do it in this manner and place, they would be desperate to solve it. But maybe the person they strongly suspect is already in custody for something else, so they figure there isn't a huge rush since the public is not in imminent danger. Or perhaps their suspect is dead even.

This case in a way has had a "Jack the RIpper" feel to it, and in a way still does. Why did the Ripper killings stop?

Good points. I agree completely.

I don’t know if they’re in custody, dead, or hold a special place in the spotlight and won’t risk their image, either way, they aren’t a threat to the public.

Until then, we sit back and wait for that arrest. Anxiously . It will happen.

 

[PrairieWind]

Good points. I agree completely.

I don’t know if they’re in custody, dead, or hold a special place in the spotlight and won’t risk their image, either way, they aren’t a threat to the public.

Until then, we sit back and wait for that arrest. Anxiously . It will happen.

It appears that solving this case is going to require something new to happen. I assume LE have followed up on their leads, processed whatever evidence they have, interviewed everyone, etc. They are going to need someone to come forward with something or someone to give the right DNA sample.

 

[Pandasleuth2]

It appears that solving this case is going to require something new to happen. I assume LE have followed up on their leads, processed whatever evidence they have, interviewed everyone, etc. They are going to need someone to come forward with something or someone to give the right DNA sample.

Yeah, I am worried that it will go cold because if no one ever comes forward, then it may never get solved.

If this person has went almost 2 years now with not being detected, not slipping up and were that slick to begin with, then they may never be caught.

 

[Cowabunga02]

Yeah, I am worried that it will go cold because if no one ever comes forward, then it may never get solved.

If this person has went almost 2 years now with not being detected, not slipping up and were that slick to begin with, then they may never be caught.

If any of you live in the Atlanta area, I don’t think you would be turned away if you went to share some of your theories with a detective on this case. I have been hoping that the PD would be reading online here because there are a multitude of possibilities about what happened and brainstorming, as these postings do, can only stir up thought-provoking ideas that they may have not considered. But, like many believe, it’s possible that they have someone in their radar. Even so, I imagine they would listen. I believe they check out every lead they get. I would think that it’s of the ultimate importance to get the ducks in line before arresting someone and fizzling out in court.