GA GA - Katherine Janness & Dog Bowie Fatally Stabbed - Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 2021 #5

[Cowabunga02]

Thanks Dotr. I knew I had read that early on. And I agree with mickey2942 that if the assailant was known to Bowie, he could have approached easily. But I have always thought that if the killer was someone known to Katie, the police would have made a connection already. But maybe not. I haven't really heard, did Katie and Emma have a large or small circle of friends? How many people would Bowie be familiar and comfortable enough with to allow them to approach at night like that?

IMO, Katie and Emma, in both working at restaurants/bars and Katie also the Imrov, knew very many people who they likely interacted with on a fairly regular basis. Relationships such as Mickey2942 described. I believe they had a number of good friends, and others they met as they expressed their political support and concern for animal welfare. But IMO, and in contrast to how they enjoyed meeting new people, they were both very private individuals and private as a couple.

I definitely believe this killer planned for Bowie. As if hurting her dog and Katie was a double thrill. I agree with many others including RetLawyer that there Had to be a lot of evidence despite how well the killer disposed of or took with him some of that evidence. For this type of violence, there Had to be. It has crossed my mind that maybe first responders muddied the waters and perhaps destroyed evidence taking away opportunities for APD to match up or work with what was left. Could it even be someone who works in that field? He/she would know how to leave fewer tracks behind. Sometimes, the killer can be right under the noses of those looking for him, as RetLawyer pointed out in his profile of the vicious, heartless killer.

I personally, sincerely believe the members of the APD and FBI who are still working on this murder care that it’s solved. But, as in every job and profession, there are great workers in the pot along with less hard-work inclined employees. There are those who do not keep quiet when these stakes are so high and could have leaked information that changed the direction of the case. I believe they know a lot, but maybe can’t do anything with that knowledge.

I usually check on here most nights, and hadn’t seen any new posts until RetLawyer grabbed my attention today. I wonder, too, if the person who took such great pleasure in taking the life of someone and her dog, a woman who had friends, a partner, a sister and a mother, could be a member on WebSleuths tracking our thoughts and very many unique ideas and theories?

 

[Cowabunga02]

My own opinion, is that LEO does have a definite POI. But, does not have enough evidence for an arrest. The POI may have even been contacted by LEO, and chose to not meet or talk to them.

I think this is entirely possible and may be the reason the APD are not releasing more details.

Can’t the APD insist legally on talking to anyone they want to question?

 

[Cowabunga02]

I am not generalizing dog behavior, but if Bowie was a friendly, socialized pet, as it appears he was, and if the perpetrator knew the victim well enough for a casual nod, it wouldn't surprise me if he came up to the victim and Bowie, bent over to greet the dog, and in one motion, sliced his jugular. It would have appeared to be a simple, normal greeting to the dog and owner. By the time Katherine would have realized danger, the perpetrator would have already stabbed her as well.

Bowie, as a smooth coat dog, wouldn't have even had a lot of fur to contend with.

Sorry to be so graphic in the speculation, but it can happen that fast.

Our dog was a Bassett Hound, and seriously, anyone with a cookie was his bestie. He was not a guard dog, watch dog, and really more stupid than protecting. So, if Bowie was like this, just a goof ball, it would have been pretty easy.

I totally agree with that scenario. Or even walked a bit with them to lead them unknowingly to the area where he planned to do the petting of Bowie and the killings.

 

[Cowabunga02]

I am saddened by the lack of progress on this case. Katie seemed like a lovely young woman.

JMO: I think this crime was committed by someone known slightly to Katie or her partner and was rooted in a crush, jealousy, and homophobia.

Katie and her partner both worked in the service industry. IMO that means that they both would have had a wide circle of slight acquaintances from among the people they had waited on at the bar/restaurant. I also believe that working as a server or bartender creates a risk that an unbalanced person will mistake friendly and courteous customer service for some kind of a relationship or reciprocated affection. I hope that the police have checked out regular customers at both of these women's places of businesses.

My personal guess is that the bar/restaurant was how this person came into their lives and that this was targeted and planned. If this was a random crime by a person who experienced a mental break I don't see how they could have stabilized themselves afterwards and avoided detection and further crimes, unless they committed suicide or were taken into custody for other reasons.

I completely agree with your thoughts.

 

[mickey2942]

Can’t the APD insist legally on talking to anyone they want to question?

Not really. A person has the right to not talk to the police at all. And, if LEO doesn't have enough evidence for an arrest, that is where it is. Often, in cases like this, the evidence can go to a Grand jury, and then lead to charges.

 

[Cowabunga02]

IF it’s a blitz attack - startled victims; very sharp knife

imo

If the killer’s intent, which it really Had to be, was to disarm Bowie first, you all are correct IMO to believe he was taken unaware in a blitz attack, and didn’t have the chance to even Think about protecting Katie because she wasn’t in danger at that moment, Bowie was; and he must have been so utterly stunned and so confused because of being used to loving attention, and having only seconds to process anything before he was subdued, he died in shock and confusion.

The APD hasn’t said much about Bowie, and I know you are all aware how much the press can and do embellish and, basically lie in many instances, so maybe we have never known the truth about what killed this poor dog.

 

[Cowabunga02]

Your points and questions are well taken. My speculation that it was well organized and that the killer had fantasized about killing a woman in this manner is based on the number of stab wounds, the kind of wounds, the fact that many of the wounds were before she died. These are all things the killer wanted to do to satisfy a very demented need for sexual gratification through fear, torture and then killing.

He would have known the PP extremely well and known who was walking in the park in those early morning hours, where some of the darkest places were along the route Katies took. He may have seen Katie at Emma's workplace and overheard conversations about her trip, even before that night.

He felt confident in his ability to use a knife because he's likely used one to commit a stabbing murder previously or to kill animals in his early adolescence.

Just some thoughts.

I still believe the date, the day before she was flying out to Michigan to be with her sister and mother, is key. As is Bowie.

 

[PrairieWind]

Can’t the APD insist legally on talking to anyone they want to question?

No, anyone can refuse to talk to police if they wish.

I agree with most here that the attack on Bowie almost certainly had to occur first and very well could have occurred as Mickey2942 described. If not, there is no question Bowie would have fought to defend himself and Katie, in which case there would be suspect DNA at the scene. We have heard that perhaps "partial DNA sample" was obtained or something to that effect.

I think may comment on whether it was someone known maybe wasn't well stated. I was referring to someone in Katie's circle of friends. It appears as far as I can see that she and EC were kind of private people. As waiters/bartenders, they would have met tons of people, some regulars or sort of regulars. Anyone of which could be someone who was infatuated or felt slighted. Who knows how many people that could be. I still am 40% on the idea that it was a stranger. Just someone looking to kill that night.

I agree with some that it is perhaps odd that she headed to PP that late. She had seen EC at her work at 11:30 or so, then is seen on the rainbow crossing just after 12:00. Where had they been in between. She and Bowie are seen crossing 10th st, south to north, and Emma's work is on the north side of 10th. So after visiting Emma, they went somewhere that had them cross to the southside of 10th, before heading to PP. Where did they go and did they see/meet someone? Perhaps the time between seeing Emma at Henry's and when Katie and Bowie are seen at the rainbow crosswalk is important.

Initially APD said the photo at rainbow crosswalk was the last known sighting of them. However, I really wonder if later discovered photos/video showed them anywhere else. OR showed anyone else in that crosswalk just before or after them. Were they followed to the park?

 

[RetLawyer]

Can’t the APD insist legally on talking to anyone they want to question?

Unfortunately, no. Unless APD have reason to think he’s a material witness who may leave the area or a POI that they have enough probable cause to arrest. Frustrating.

 

[PrairieWind]

Unfortunately, no. Unless APD have reason to think he’s a material witness who may leave the area or a POI that they have enough probable cause to arrest. Frustrating.

Even if he is a POI or even arrested, a suspect still has a right to remain silent.

 

[RetLawyer]

I still believe the date, the day before she was flying out to Michigan to be with her sister and mother, is key. As is Bowie.

Any particular reason/s you believe the date is key? And, you believe that Bowie being connected to Katie was part of the killer’s plan to terrorize Katie as opposed to Bowie just being collateral?

 

[RetLawyer]

If the killer’s intent, which it really Had to be, was to disarm Bowie first, you all are correct IMO to believe he was taken unaware in a blitz attack, and didn’t have the chance to even Think about protecting Katie because she wasn’t in danger at that moment, Bowie was; and he must have been so utterly stunned and so confused because of being used to loving attention, and having only seconds to process anything before he was subdued, he died in shock and confusion.

The APD hasn’t said much about Bowie, and I know you are all aware how much the press can and do embellish and, basically lie in many instances, so maybe we have never known the truth about what killed this poor dog.

Your last paragraph is very interesting. Been wondering the same myself, especially sine the APD hasn’t released the necropsy. If the public knew this information it might jog someone’s memory about a person they know. That’s why the APD should be releasing some information from the criminal profile of the perpetrator.

 

[RetLawyer]

IMO, Katie and Emma, in both working at restaurants/bars and Katie also the Imrov, knew very many people who they likely interacted with on a fairly regular basis. Relationships such as Mickey2942 described. I believe they had a number of good friends, and others they met as they expressed their political support and concern for animal welfare. But IMO, and in contrast to how they enjoyed meeting new people, they were both very private individuals and private as a couple.

I definitely believe this killer planned for Bowie. As if hurting her dog and Katie was a double thrill. I agree with many others including RetLawyer that there Had to be a lot of evidence despite how well the killer disposed of or took with him some of that evidence. For this type of violence, there Had to be. It has crossed my mind that maybe first responders muddied the waters and perhaps destroyed evidence taking away opportunities for APD to match up or work with what was left. Could it even be someone who works in that field? He/she would know how to leave fewer tracks behind. Sometimes, the killer can be right under the noses of those looking for him, as RetLawyer pointed out in his profile of the vicious, heartless killer.

I personally, sincerely believe the members of the APD and FBI who are still working on this murder care that it’s solved. But, as in every job and profession, there are great workers in the pot along with less hard-work inclined employees. There are those who do not keep quiet when these stakes are so high and could have leaked information that changed the direction of the case. I believe they know a lot, but maybe can’t do anything with that knowledge.

I usually check on here most nights, and hadn’t seen any new posts until RetLawyer grabbed my attention today. I wonder, too, if the person who took such great pleasure in taking the life of someone and her dog, a woman who had friends, a partner, a sister and a mother, could be a member on WebSleuths tracking our thoughts and very many unique ideas and theories?

It’s quite possible they are following these threads. It’s a way for the person to relive the murders. Very Sick but not mentally ill.

 

[mickey2942]

Your last paragraph is very interesting. Been wondering the same myself, especially sine the APD hasn’t released the necropsy. If the public knew this information it might jog someone’s memory about a person they know. That’s why the APD should be releasing some information from the criminal profile of the perpetrator.

I am fairly certain that LEO knows much more than what has been released. MOO is that they "know" who did the crime.

The problem though, with tunnel vision, focusing on who "did" the crime in their eyes, and unable to do an arrest from lack of evidence, means that they are not looking beyond that narrow scope, to the real perpetrator.

An example of this, to illustrate what I mean, is reminiscent of the Atlanta child murders in 1979-1981. Law enforcement was focused on a completely different perspective, from the actual perpetrator, Wayne Williams.

I wonder if that is what happened here...I have seen it happen before.

 

[PrairieWind]

I am fairly certain that LEO knows much more than what has been released. MOO is that they "know" who did the crime.

The problem though, with tunnel vision, focusing on who "did" the crime in their eyes, and unable to do an arrest from lack of evidence, means that they are not looking beyond that narrow scope, to the real perpetrator.

An example of this, to illustrate what I mean, is reminiscent of the Atlanta child murders in 1979-1981. Law enforcement was focused on a completely different perspective, from the actual perpetrator, Wayne Williams.

I wonder if that is what happened here...I have seen it happen before.

Agree. APD has a LOT more evidence than what they have released. But it may not be pointing to a suspect, at least not yet. Maybe it has and they just can't close it yet. But I leaning (slightly) to the side that they actually do not have an identified legit suspect.

As for Bowie, they have not said much. Apparently he was stabbed, that is all we know, and a rough idea of where he was found. Unlike an autopsy which to some degree is public record, there are no such requirements for a necropsy of an animal, so it is just regular evidence that the police may keep confidential for now. It makes me think that there is something about Bowie's death/body that contains key evidence or information.

 

[RetLawyer]

IMO, Katie and Emma, in both working at restaurants/bars and Katie also the Imrov, knew very many people who they likely interacted with on a fairly regular basis. Relationships such as Mickey2942 described. I believe they had a number of good friends, and others they met as they expressed their political support and concern for animal welfare. But IMO, and in contrast to how they enjoyed meeting new people, they were both very private individuals and private as a couple.

I definitely believe this killer planned for Bowie. As if hurting her dog and Katie was a double thrill. I agree with many others including RetLawyer that there Had to be a lot of evidence despite how well the killer disposed of or took with him some of that evidence. For this type of violence, there Had to be. It has crossed my mind that maybe first responders muddied the waters and perhaps destroyed evidence taking away opportunities for APD to match up or work with what was left. Could it even be someone who works in that field? He/she would know how to leave fewer tracks behind. Sometimes, the killer can be right under the noses of those looking for him, as RetLawyer pointed out in his profile of the vicious, heartless killer.

I personally, sincerely believe the members of the APD and FBI who are still working on this murder care that it’s solved. But, as in every job and profession, there are great workers in the pot along with less hard-work inclined employees. There are those who do not keep quiet when these stakes are so high and could have leaked information that changed the direction of the case. I believe they know a lot, but maybe can’t do anything with that knowledge.

I usually check on here most nights, and hadn’t seen any new posts until RetLawyer grabbed my attention today. I wonder, too, if the person who took such great pleasure in taking the life of someone and her dog, a woman who had friends, a partner, a sister and a mother, could be a member on WebSleuths tracking our thoughts and very many unique ideas and theories?

Just FYI. I’m an out lesbian of 45 years!

 

[Shamrock1]

Can’t the APD insist legally on talking to anyone they want to question?

Only on television. JMO.

 

[Cowabunga02]

Any particular reason/s you believe the date is key? And, you believe that Bowie being connected to Katie was part of the killer’s plan to terrorize Katie as opposed to Bowie just being collateral?

I believe the date matters as if the killer thought, ‘It’s now or never.’ IMO, maybe that means he/she (still a possibility it was a she), felt they were definitely going to do it, got their bearings and plan all set and didn’t want to wait until she returned.
Bowie, I believe, was included in the plan as he was ‘always observed’ as the killer made his mental notes while watching her actions. Hurting him was, I believe, just showing the world he was smart enough and tough enough to ‘take care of’ anything that would get in his way, and he was pretty sure Bowie would be with Katie. OR, even as someone who just followed her that night, he made up his mind as he went along that it would prove to ‘everyone’ that he was not a wimp, and could handle anything he had to. I believe this person has no self assurance, and it manifests as narcissistic behavior and the need to ‘prove himself’ to the world. I still don’t feel it was random. Not necessarily a person close to Katie, because that isn’t how any of her friends are, it seems to me, but one of those who knew her in the ‘everyday relationship’ way. Maybe he had a grudge, feelings for her, or hate for gay people or women. Random would fit her being anybody, being a woman, but he couldn’t know her orientation. Random, IMO, may also mean another similar murder should have happened some time in later months. And to me, random means, (without that low esteem), that he might target a person without a dog.

 

[Cowabunga02]

No, anyone can refuse to talk to police if they wish.

I agree with most here that the attack on Bowie almost certainly had to occur first and very well could have occurred as Mickey2942 described. If not, there is no question Bowie would have fought to defend himself and Katie, in which case there would be suspect DNA at the scene. We have heard that perhaps "partial DNA sample" was obtained or something to that effect.

I think may comment on whether it was someone known maybe wasn't well stated. I was referring to someone in Katie's circle of friends. It appears as far as I can see that she and EC were kind of private people. As waiters/bartenders, they would have met tons of people, some regulars or sort of regulars. Anyone of which could be someone who was infatuated or felt slighted. Who knows how many people that could be. I still am 40% on the idea that it was a stranger. Just someone looking to kill that night.

I agree with some that it is perhaps odd that she headed to PP that late. She had seen EC at her work at 11:30 or so, then is seen on the rainbow crossing just after 12:00. Where had they been in between. She and Bowie are seen crossing 10th st, south to north, and Emma's work is on the north side of 10th. So after visiting Emma, they went somewhere that had them cross to the southside of 10th, before heading to PP. Where did they go and did they see/meet someone? Perhaps the time between seeing Emma at Henry's and when Katie and Bowie are seen at the rainbow crosswalk is important.

Initially APD said the photo at rainbow crosswalk was the last known sighting of them. However, I really wonder if later discovered photos/video showed them anywhere else. OR showed anyone else in that crosswalk just before or after them. Were they followed to the park?

I agree with PrairieWind that Bowie would have defended Katie had he had the time to process what was happening before he died.

 

[Cowabunga02]

No, anyone can refuse to talk to police if they wish.

I agree with most here that the attack on Bowie almost certainly had to occur first and very well could have occurred as Mickey2942 described. If not, there is no question Bowie would have fought to defend himself and Katie, in which case there would be suspect DNA at the scene. We have heard that perhaps "partial DNA sample" was obtained or something to that effect.

I think may comment on whether it was someone known maybe wasn't well stated. I was referring to someone in Katie's circle of friends. It appears as far as I can see that she and EC were kind of private people. As waiters/bartenders, they would have met tons of people, some regulars or sort of regulars. Anyone of which could be someone who was infatuated or felt slighted. Who knows how many people that could be. I still am 40% on the idea that it was a stranger. Just someone looking to kill that night.

I agree with some that it is perhaps odd that she headed to PP that late. She had seen EC at her work at 11:30 or so, then is seen on the rainbow crossing just after 12:00. Where had they been in between. She and Bowie are seen crossing 10th st, south to north, and Emma's work is on the north side of 10th. So after visiting Emma, they went somewhere that had them cross to the southside of 10th, before heading to PP. Where did they go and did they see/meet someone? Perhaps the time between seeing Emma at Henry's and when Katie and Bowie are seen at the rainbow crosswalk is important.

Initially APD said the photo at rainbow crosswalk was the last known sighting of them. However, I really wonder if later discovered photos/video showed them anywhere else. OR showed anyone else in that crosswalk just before or after them. Were they followed to the park?

I have often wondered if Katie stopped at an ATM to make a transaction, but then I realize the APD must have looked at her bank account/s.