Found Deceased GA - Kelly Nash, 25, Buford, 5 Jan 2015

[KristiA]

I saw the episode too. "Baffling" is the word. And sad. I've got some lingering questions too, KristiA. A few reflections/questions for you guys:

Convenience store~
I just went back a few pages ("JerseyGirl"'s Post #59) to look at the 9 p.m. video of him in the store that last night...I don't know exactly what I was looking for, but I was wondering how he appeared. It's hard to really tell from that brief video of him, but I wanted to see it, nontheless. Anything strike you guys at all about that snippet, with him in the store? (He *was* in actual PJ pants...being that he was {apparently} feeling sick and that the store was just around the corner from his house, probably can't glean much from that I guess, but I did want to see if he changed into sweatpants or something, before going to the store). A question I had: he called his GF at the convenience store (to ask about extra things to pick up), so was it that she was not home when he left for the store? I think I'm confused on why he wouldn't have asked her about what to pick up at the store before leaving their house. I'm just trying to get some insight into how he was thinking that evening, but I'm not completely getting the timing on this one. Probably just me...I may have missed this aspect with the program.

Cellphone~
Also, I thought the ID show mentioned his cell showed a 28-second call that went to his girlfriend's voicemail sometime that night/in the wee hours. I thought it was mentioned that they weren't sure if it was just that he sat on his phone and it dialed to his GF (when he was on the sofa and she was in bed), or if he actually left a message on purpose for her (think that would be odd/significant to leave her a message on her cell at that time, so I'm curious on the time of that call and hope LE has a clear analysis of that call, to be able to hear if he said anything)...being that his phone was located in their home, at least it's clear that the call was made (accidentally or not) in their home. Please let me know if I got any of this wrong.

Details bugging me~
I agree about no way of knowing if something was going on with him (it apears those closest to him saw no clues on anything like that)...there *seemed* to be many positives: new house; upcoming work project with a higher level of responsibility; close to graduating, etc. But he could have been stressed/depressed or hiding something from his loved ones. With the report of the gunshot wound and his gun missing, that really does sound like suicide. But...

I know this is such a small thing, but the door to the house being left open is bothering me (the door that his GF pointed out was left open -- she said they always exited the house from that lower-level door). Here is what bugs me: even if his intention was to leave the house and, sadly, commit suicide...would anybody who was thoughtful enough to call his GF and ask what he could pick up at the store (when sick and/or even in a suicidal frame of mind) be a person who would then leave a door (accessing the house) wide open like that? Believe me, I'm not making a statement on someone in a possibly suicidal mindset being irresponsible to leave the door open. I am just wondering if it would *still* be unusual that he left the door open (for safety of GF, and I also noticed they have a dog, so I guess also thought to closing it to not let the dog out) -- I'm wondering if he still would just automatically have closed the door. I know it's a quirky thing to ponder, but we are often creatures of habit...so if he would typically close the door, it seems like he would still do that. So it opens up (no pun intended) some doubt for me. Did he step outside and intended to return? Did something else happen?

But I'm trying to think this all out in a logical way, and that just doesn't always work in these cases, as we all know. Obviously, if it's correct that he sustained a gunshot wound and his gun is missing -- and the dogs hit on his scent at a dock, as well as there being someone caught on surveillance around the time he may have been walking toward the lake -- well, that all does seem to point more toward self-harm.

Despite that, the other thing gnawing at me is if he was feeling ill (and/or was in such a sad/bad) frame of mind, staying up playing video games into the wee hours seems so "off" to me. But again, I'm trying to make this make sense...and it's impossible to understand another's thought processes unless they reveal them to someone. It's just hard for me to imagine someone playing video games lying on a sofa then (seemingly) putting themselves into a lake later that night. You're playing video games, and you're knowing that you're going to later walk to a lake and end your life? Or you suddenly decide to do that, while playing video games? It's so hard to take either in, for me. The only other thing I wondered is if he took medication that caused a very awful, bizarre reaction.

Anyway, very sad...and my thoughts, FWIW.

Wow! Really great post! I am actually watching the episode for the 3rd time as I am typing this. Here are my thoughts:

As far as the convenience store trip, I did not find anything unusual. The fact that he was talking to his girlfriend about items to purchase is normal in my world. (My husband can go to the store with a given list and still call me with questions while there.)

Watching the episode now, I believe it was stated that the 28 second vm was just minutes before the girlfriend saw him for the last time. I am guessing that call took place somewhere between 3:15-3:30 AM. It could have very well been an accidental call (I "butt dial" or "purse dial" people all the time and leave muffled voicemails). I am curious to know what "few words" you could hear on the message though.

I am not sure what to make of the door being partially open. The girlfriend did demonstrate that you have to apply some pressure to close it and it appears that it wouldn't open on it's own. Perhaps, he didn't close it hard in fear of waking up their dogs and causing them to bark? I have two dogs and any little noise, especially in a quiet house would cause them to bark.

I only see two options at this point, suicide or murder. The fact that it is reported that he had a gunshot wound, the idea of him accidently falling into the lake is no longer a possibility, obviously. I am sure LE enforcement knows if the bullet recovered from his body, matches the same kind of bullets his gun used. With how little they have released since February, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they have actually recovered the weapon. IMO, I think if it's determined that he was shot with his own gun, it will almost definitely be ruled suicide.

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

Wow! Really great post! I am actually watching the episode for the 3rd time as I am typing this. Here are my thoughts:

As far as the convenience store trip, I did not find anything unusual. The fact that he was talking to his girlfriend about items to purchase is normal in my world. (My husband can go to the store with a given list and still call me with questions while there.)

Watching the episode now, I believe it was stated that the 28 second vm was just minutes before the girlfriend saw him for the last time. I am guessing that call took place somewhere between 3:15-3:30 AM. It could have very well been an accidental call (I "butt dial" or "purse dial" people all the time and leave muffled voicemails). I am curious to know what "few words" you could hear on the message though.

I am not sure what to make of the door being partially open. The girlfriend did demonstrate that you have to apply some pressure to close it and it appears that it wouldn't open on it's own. Perhaps, he didn't close it hard in fear of waking up their dogs and causing them to bark? I have two dogs and any little noise, especially in a quiet house would cause them to bark.

I only see two options at this point, suicide or murder. The fact that it is reported that he had a gunshot wound, the idea of him accidently falling into the lake is no longer a possibility, obviously. I am sure LE enforcement knows if the bullet recovered from his body, matches the same kind of bullets his gun used. With how little they have released since February, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they have actually recovered the weapon. IMO, I think if it's determined that he was shot with his own gun, it will almost definitely be ruled suicide.

Thanks so much, Kristi! Your reply post is so helpful.

I agree with you on the "calling from the store" thing. My husband actually does the same with a list sometimes too, so I should have considered the "call to check" as pretty...uh, er...typical of males? [And for males viewing, I will do this for you, for my stereotyping: :tomato:]

Somehow, Kelly calling to check with his GF about store items makes it even harder to imagine him walking out on his life later.

Thanks for clearing up the 28-second call. I too wonder if the few words from that (probable accidental) voicemail are audible, but I guess if he was playing a video game, it may have just been a few mumbles regarding that. (?) Good point about the door, as a possible reason as to why he might not have closed it.

Appreciate your insight. Thanks so much.

 

[Sweetgrits]

Investigation Discovery is replaying the disappearance special on Kelly Nash, now..

I also watched Disappeared today. I had to come back to WS because I wanted to make sure it was on a very recent disappearance. It's only been approx 3 month & I was surprised that they were doing a segment so soon. A sad case.

 

[KristiA]

Thanks so much, Kristi! Your reply post is so helpful.

I agree with you on the "calling from the store" thing. My husband actually does the same with a list sometimes too, so I should have considered the "call to check" as pretty...uh, er...typical of males? [And for males viewing, I will do this for you, for my stereotyping: :tomato:]

Somehow, Kelly calling to check with his GF about store items makes it even harder to imagine him walking out on his life later.

Thanks for clearing up the 28-second call. I too wonder if the few words from that (probable accidental) voicemail are audible, but I guess if he was playing a video game, it may have just been a few mumbles regarding that. (?) Good point about the door, as a possible reason as to why he might not have closed it.

Appreciate your insight. Thanks so much.

Yes, I want to also make it clear to male viewers I am not stereotyping. I have gone to the store with a list and still forgotten things. Ha!

ThinkThinkThink, I didn't really answer your questions from the last paragraph regarding what Kelly's possible state of mind was. Could OTC meds have made him not think clearly? Maybe. I just can't help but think that isn't very likely, considering he seemed to be acting normal according to his girlfriend. He was battling a sinus infection and maybe he was up playing Xbox because he couldn't sleep as a result of not being able to breathe? That could explain why he was somewhat restless, but it doesn't explain why he just walked out of his house, never to be seen again.

I am careful to say my next thoughts. IMO, he had to have been keeping something (whether it's feelings of depression, suicidal thoughts, drug habit, etc) private in order for him to walk away in the middle of the night, more than likely with his gun. I just keep coming back to the idea that he was privately struggling in some way. I am returning to my opinion that many times, even the closest people to us, don't know everything. It's such a sad story and very heartbreaking watching his mother, especially. I can't imagine their grief.

 

[Foxfire]

Yes, I want to also make it clear to male viewers I am not stereotyping. I have gone to the store with a list and still forgotten things. Ha!

ThinkThinkThink, I didn't really answer your questions from the last paragraph regarding what Kelly's possible state of mind was. Could OTC meds have made him not think clearly? Maybe. I just can't help but think that isn't very likely, considering he seemed to be acting normal according to his girlfriend. He was battling a sinus infection and maybe he was up playing Xbox because he couldn't sleep as a result of not being able to breathe? That could explain why he was somewhat restless, but it doesn't explain why he just walked out of his house, never to be seen again.

I am careful to say my next thoughts. IMO, he had to have been keeping something (whether it's feelings of depression, suicidal thoughts, drug habit, etc) private in order for him to walk away in the middle of the night, more than likely with his gun. I just keep coming back to the idea that he was privately struggling in some way. I am returning to my opinion that many times, even the closest people to us, don't know everything. It's such a sad story and very heartbreaking watching his mother, especially. I can't imagine their grief.

Yes, many times a person's true state of mind is known only by them, KristiA. With that said, this is virtually tragic deja vu, as a very similar scenario occured on the banks of lake Lanier on January 2, 2014. Only one year and three days separates these two mysterious incidents. Over one year later and there are still many unanswered questions in the 2014 tragedy. Hopefully the ID documentary of the disappearance of Kelly Nash, combined with the forensics and autopsy, will provide the necessary information to clear up the questions in his case..

TV show: Kelly Nash had gunshot wound
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/buford/2015/04/12/kelly-nash-missing-georgia-man/25691333/

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Mason Cox and David Wood, both 20, seemingly vanished Jan. 2 after a night of fishing from a dock in the area of Fredericks Cove off Ga. 400.
* Bodies found in Lanier may be 2 missing Dawson men
* Friends had been missing from area since Jan. 2; crime lab to confirm identities
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/archives/94010/

Websleuths - Thread: GA - Mason Cox and David Wood - both 20 years old - Dawsonville - 02-Jan-2014
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ood-both-20-years-old-Dawsonville-02-Jan-2014

 

[Seajay]

I saw the Disappeared epi last night and it's a really curious case. The show brought me here. It just doesn't make sense that he committed suicide yet there is nothing that would indicate that it was a murder. I wonder what part of his body the gunshot was located. If it's in the back or done with the right hand if he was left handed or done with the left hand if he was right handed, that would either solidify or dispel the suicide theory.

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

I saw the Disappeared epi last night and it's a really curious case. The show brought me here. It just doesn't make sense that he committed suicide yet there is nothing that would indicate that it was a murder. I wonder what part of his body the gunshot was located. If it's in the back or done with the right hand if he was left handed or done with the left hand if he was right handed, that would either solidify or dispel the suicide theory.

Hi, Seajay~great to "see" ya. I agree completely (BBM).^

 

[Seajay]

Hi, Seajay~great to "see" ya. I agree competely (BBM).^

Hey Triple T. This kid had everything going for him. They had just moved into that house, he was ready to graduate, had a wonderful girlfriend, a loving family.

It just doesn't make sense that he's sick, up playing video games and at 3 am decides to end it all, just like that, in his jammies. WTH? And leaving the garage door open, exposing his girlfriend to an opportunistic intruder.

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

Yes, I want to also make it clear to male viewers I am not stereotyping. I have gone to the store with a list and still forgotten things. Ha!

ThinkThinkThink, I didn't really answer your questions from the last paragraph regarding what Kelly's possible state of mind was. Could OTC meds have made him not think clearly? Maybe. I just can't help but think that isn't very likely, considering he seemed to be acting normal according to his girlfriend. He was battling a sinus infection and maybe he was up playing Xbox because he couldn't sleep as a result of not being able to breathe? That could explain why he was somewhat restless, but it doesn't explain why he just walked out of his house, never to be seen again.

I am careful to say my next thoughts. IMO, he had to have been keeping something (whether it's feelings of depression, suicidal thoughts, drug habit, etc) private in order for him to walk away in the middle of the night, more than likely with his gun. I just keep coming back to the idea that he was privately struggling in some way. I am returning to my opinion that many times, even the closest people to us, don't know everything. It's such a sad story and very heartbreaking watching his mother, especially. I can't imagine their grief.

1) You didn't stereotype~so no tomatoes for you, just me! And same goes for me, with the ol' grocery list.
2) I agree that an OTC med issue would be pretty unlikely, and it does sound like his GF didn't notice anything unusual with his behavior that night...but what I was thinking about was more in the line of prescription sleep medications, in reading about some people having really unusual reactions to those (I'm certainly not knocking those medications; I know of some people who have been greatly helped by them and had zero issues), but I do think that would be a big stretch that a sleep med was the issue, with the circumstances here...and also seems against the odds that he would have suddenly started taking a prescribed sleep med on this particular night, without his GF knowing, etc.
3) Amen.

 

[Foxfire]

Hey Triple T. This kid had everything going for him. They had just moved into that house, he was ready to graduate, had a wonderful girlfriend, a loving family.

It just doesn't make sense that he's sick, up playing video games and at 3 am decides to end it all, just like that, in his jammies. WTH? And leaving the garage door open, exposing his girlfriend to an opportunistic intruder.

Nope, it just doesn't make sense, Seajay.. When tragedy strikes with so many suspicious circumstances as in the Kelly Nash case. It always leaves many of us asking; Why?

Why - Rascal Flatts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_85GXsKqk

 

[KristiA]

1) You didn't stereotype~so no tomatoes for you, just me! And same goes for me, with the ol' grocery list.
2) I agree that an OTC med issue would be pretty unlikely, and it does sound like his GF didn't notice anything unusual with his behavior that night...but what I was thinking about was more in the line of prescription sleep medications, in reading about some people having really unusual reactions to those (I'm certainly not knocking those medications; I know of some people who have been greatly helped by them and had zero issues), but I do think that would be a big stretch that a sleep med was the issue, with the circumstances here...and also seems against the odds that he would have suddenly started taking a prescribed sleep med on this particular night, without his GF knowing, etc.
3) Amen.

Excellent point about the prescription sleep meds. My MIL takes Ambien and she sleepwalks and even cooks in the middle of the night! While I know of other people who are prescribed it, and it doesn't affect them that way at all. It's something to think about.

 

[cluciano63]

This was a "Disappeared" special, not the regular series, like the one they did on Christina Morris. The regular series has been off the air for a while.

 

[KristiA]

This was a "Disappeared" special, not the regular series, like the one they did on Christina Morris. The regular series has been off the air for a while.

Yes. I wish it hadn't gone off the air. It's one of my favs!

 

[cluciano63]

Yes. I wish it hadn't gone off the air. It's one of my favs!

Me too. Most of the new ones are horribly produced.

As far as Kelly...as soon as I heard a gun was missing, I thought suicide. If he had heard something outdoors, I think he would have grabbed his phone as well, especially since it was unusual for him not to have it. Maybe he took a new kind of sinus med or something...you just never know.

 

[EllieBee]

Note EllieBee... my ENTIRE POST above was at a party today with folks from "atthelake" (Lake Lanier).

I do NOT know that she was the one who found him and merely relaying party local talk... and that is :thinking: to me :thinking: as I have never heard such. Prior post was ONLY to relay what folks locally have said, not any inside information.

I have also never heard that his parents lived off that road which I heard today. Was merely asking others here if they ever heard such.

Again... EVERYTHING in my last post 30 minutes ago is rumor from folks that live onthelake very very near.

The ID special and exclusive starts in 15 minutes.... I'll be watching.

No, I gotcha that the talk was all rumor. But as I said, if you search property records for Kelly's family members, one address comes up as being spot-on behind where Kelly's body was found.

I searched it the day Kelly was found and was "OMG!, he must have gone to _____'s house to talk to him and somehow drowned in LL!"

And as far as the GF is concerned, there were comments posted the same day Kelly was found that stated SHE was the one taking the pics of his recovery on her cell phone. Can I say she is dodgy? Or is that against TOS?

I have family who live on/near LL and in Gwinnett also, and this case piqued my interest right away.

So I dug up everything I could.

Kelly appeared to have it all. I don't have a son, but I would have loved a son like him! Bless him and his family. They looked to be such a fun and loving family.

I truly feel Kelly did NOT kill himself.

And I think his family adored him.

I think someone not related to Kelly hurt him. But maybe someone close to him.

 

[EllieBee]

Me too. Most of the new ones are horribly produced.

As far as Kelly...as soon as I heard a gun was missing, I thought suicide. If he had heard something outdoors, I think he would have grabbed his phone as well, especially since it was unusual for him not to have it. Maybe he took a new kind of sinus med or something...you just never know.

I hope (dunno why, because he is dead anyway) that you are right. Myself, I think he met with a terrible fate at the hands of someone he trusted.

I just feel like Kelly could be one of my family. I think he was hurt intentionally. I know I am personalizing it.

 

[EllieBee]

Also, after watching the show......

I think Kelly's sister suspects things ain't clean.......but again. JMO.

 

[EllieBee]

I saw the episode too. "Baffling" is the word. And sad. I've got some lingering questions too, KristiA. A few reflections/questions for you guys:

Convenience store~
I just went back a few pages ("JerseyGirl"'s Post #59) to look at the 9 p.m. video of him in the store that last night...I don't know exactly what I was looking for, but I was wondering how he appeared. It's hard to really tell from that brief video of him, but I wanted to see it, nontheless. Anything strike you guys at all about that snippet, with him in the store? (He *was* in actual PJ pants...being that he was {apparently} feeling sick and that the store was just around the corner from his house, probably can't glean much from that I guess, but I did want to see if he changed into sweatpants or something, before going to the store). A question I had: he called his GF at the convenience store (to ask about extra things to pick up), so was it that she was not home when he left for the store? I think I'm confused on why he wouldn't have asked her about what to pick up at the store before leaving their house. I'm just trying to get some insight into how he was thinking that evening, but I'm not completely getting the timing on this one. Probably just me...I may have missed this aspect with the program.

Cellphone~
Also, I thought the ID show mentioned his cell showed a 28-second call that went to his girlfriend's voicemail sometime that night/in the wee hours. I thought it was mentioned that they weren't sure if it was just that he sat on his phone and it dialed to his GF (when he was on the sofa and she was in bed), or if he actually left a message on purpose for her (think that would be odd/significant to leave her a message on her cell at that time, so I'm curious on the time of that call and hope LE has a clear analysis of that call, to be able to hear if he said anything)...being that his phone was located in their home, at least it's clear that the call was made (accidentally or not) in their home. Please let me know if I got any of this wrong.

Details bugging me~
I agree about no way of knowing if something was going on with him (it apears those closest to him saw no clues on anything like that)...there *seemed* to be many positives: new house; upcoming work project with a higher level of responsibility; close to graduating, etc. But he could have been stressed/depressed or hiding something from his loved ones. With the report of the gunshot wound and his gun missing, that really does sound like suicide. But...

I know this is such a small thing, but the door to the house being left open is bothering me (the door that his GF pointed out was left open -- she said they always exited the house from that lower-level door). Here is what bugs me: even if his intention was to leave the house and, sadly, commit suicide...would anybody who was thoughtful enough to call his GF and ask what he could pick up at the store (when sick and/or even in a suicidal frame of mind) be a person who would then leave a door (accessing the house) wide open like that? Believe me, I'm not making a statement on someone in a possibly suicidal mindset being irresponsible to leave the door open. I am just wondering if it would *still* be unusual that he left the door open (for safety of GF, and I also noticed they have a dog, so I guess also thought to closing it to not let the dog out) -- I'm wondering if he still would just automatically have closed the door. I know it's a quirky thing to ponder, but we are often creatures of habit...so if he would typically close the door, it seems like he would still do that. So it opens up (no pun intended) some doubt for me. Did he step outside and intended to return? Did something else happen?

But I'm trying to think this all out in a logical way, and that just doesn't always work in these cases, as we all know. Obviously, if it's correct that he sustained a gunshot wound and his gun is missing -- and the dogs hit on his scent at a dock, as well as there being someone caught on surveillance around the time he may have been walking toward the lake -- well, that all does seem to point more toward self-harm.

Despite that, the other thing gnawing at me is if he was feeling ill (and/or was in such a sad/bad) frame of mind, staying up playing video games into the wee hours seems so "off" to me. But again, I'm trying to make this make sense...and it's impossible to understand another's thought processes unless they reveal them to someone. It's just hard for me to imagine someone playing video games lying on a sofa then (seemingly) putting themselves into a lake later that night. You're playing video games, and you're knowing that you're going to later walk to a lake and end your life? Or you suddenly decide to do that, while playing video games? It's so hard to take either in, for me. The only other thing I wondered is if he took medication that caused a very awful, bizarre reaction.

Anyway, very sad...and my thoughts, FWIW.

Sorry to keep on the same tack, but I did find it telling that when counting off all the positive things in Kelly's life, nobody includes Jessica. Nobody says "he had a wonderful relationship to live for". They talk about his school, career, family....even his dogs.

But not Jessica. Hmmmm.

 

[iamnotagolem]

If Kelly was murdered do you think he was lured out of his place? Because he probably wasn't killed at home then drug to the lake.

 

[cluciano63]

If he had been lured out, there should have been communication on his phone. And I think he would have taken it with him. Jmo