GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #1

[vlpate]

The substance on the shoe was tested and found not to be blood. The small amt of blood on the wall was tested and found to be female and too old to be part of the case. Since there were no signs of foul play it would have been cost prohibitive to test 800 students to find a match. Not sure who is saying there was a "great amount" of blood....CNN?

KJ was found in the mat - so he did fit.

Not to me. I have yet to see how tall and wide Kendrick was in order to make a determination. He was a basketball player.



Kendrick Johnson Dead in gym mat HS Student Parents Justice for MURDERED Son Disturbing Evidence - YouTube

How did the police determine at the scene it wasn't blood on the sneakers without testing it in a lab? I guess you could look at it and think it's paint or something, but then the question is why not collect it.

The blood on the door is a lot greater in quantity than the written reports made it sound. Why didn't the police try to find the DNA match and ask them how it got there? I can't believe that much blood would end up that high without someone sustaining a serious injury that would have been reported. Also, if it had been there for quite some time the school has the worst janitor.



Tilt the mat. However his body was found inside the mat, with the mat standing up. If the shoe was stuck inside the mat that would make me believe it was wrapped too tight for someone to fit into it.



Where else could they put it? They couldn't carry it out into the hall. JMO



I logged out of Youtube to keep from skewing the results, maybe something different will come up for others.

When I typed in stuck in mat this is what came up; http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...2j1.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.A4Y2nXuQkPw

This is what came up for rolled in mat; http://www.youtube.com/results?sear....5j2.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube._5Dgg6srX4s

This is what came up for kid stuck in mat; http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...9j4.13.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.i6cEHBlXSWE

Kid rolled in mat; http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...1j3.14.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.LU2eIm7vw0I

I don't remember what I typed to find this one;

Stuck in a mat - YouTube

In the following link this cheerleader looks a lot smaller than Kendrick appears to be. I forget what I typed in to find it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiqfACjebvk&feature=youtu.be

Kendrick was a basketball player.

http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/10/31/final_244x183.jpg

This kid unrolled herself after the others, it appears, has already rolled her up. This begs the question of why didn't he fight to tip the mat and unroll himself?

Claire rolled in a mat haha - YouTube



Your video is the same one I found.



Can you post some more of those videos? TIA

 

[Steely Dan]

The substance on the shoe was tested and found not to be blood. The small amt of blood on the wall was tested and found to be female and too old to be part of the case. Since there were no signs of foul play it would have been cost prohibitive to test 800 students to find a match. Not sure who is saying there was a "great amount" of blood....CNN?

I'm not being snarky I just have a few questions.

Did you watch the AC video and see the amount of blood on the door? Do you have a link for it being female blood? I haven't heard that before. As I said, they have the worst janitor if it's been there a long time.

 

[Tawny]

I'm not being snarky I just have a few questions.

Did you watch the AC video and see the amount of blood on the door? Do you have a link for it being female blood? I haven't heard that before. As I said, they have the worst janitor if it's been there a long time.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ne-teen-found-wrestling-mat-article-1.1480548

 

[Steely Dan]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ne-teen-found-wrestling-mat-article-1.1480548

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything about it being female blood. It's not Kendrick's, so who's is it? It could be someone who was involved in the fight. JMO

 

[vlpate]

I'm not being snarky I just have a few questions.

Did you watch the AC video and see the amount of blood on the door? Do you have a link for it being female blood? I haven't heard that before. As I said, they have the worst janitor if it's been there a long time.

I did see the video, the "detective" lost credibility, IMO, when he called the drops of blood "impact" blood.

 

[vlpate]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything about it being female blood. It's not Kendrick's, so who's is it? It could be someone who was involved in the fight. JMO

There were no indications of a fight - no defensive wounds and the only blood found, other than the older (not meaning ancient, could be a week old or a month old), blood found on the wall and in the bathroom on a tissue, was KJ's blood.

 

[vlpate]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything about it being female blood. It's not Kendrick's, so who's is it? It could be someone who was involved in the fight. JMO

I apologize, the female blood was on the tissue.

VALDOSTA — The DNA testing of a speck of blood on the gymnasium wall, 50 feet from where a Lowndes High School student’s body was discovered...
<snip>
DNA testing confirmed the blood did not belong to Johnson and the autopsy report was subsequently released this week by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

“We found bloody Kleenex in one of the bathrooms and traced them to one of the flag girls who got hurt during practice, but we have them tested to make sure and it was female DNA,” she said.

 

[Tawny]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything about it being female blood. It's not Kendrick's, so who's is it? It could be someone who was involved in the fight. JMO

I found this.

"DNA tests show the blood did not belong to Johnson, though a member of the school's color guard told investigators she injured herself the night Johnson went missing."

http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram...-teen-kendrick-johnsons-death-not-an-accident

 

[Karmady]

Tilt the mat. However his body was found inside the mat, with the mat standing up. If the shoe was stuck inside the mat that would make me believe it was wrapped too tight for someone to fit into it.

Again, he couldn't tip the mat. It was vertically stacked in the midst of numerous other large, heavy, bulky mats that would have to have been moved first. Kendrick put his shoes in the mat while it was horizontal and the mats were moved to the vertical position for storage over the holiday. When they were tipped vertical, the shoes fell to the bottom. They weren't stuck inside.

jmo

 

[gxm]

I'm not trying to be snarky, but how does someone suffer blunt force trauma from falling into a mat?

Personally, I find the GBI autopsy more credible. That said, IMO, KJ could have injured his neck when he fell into the mat.

 

[vlpate]

There is evidence that this was a freak accident:
KJ's established routine, according to many students, was to store his shoes in the mats, even his mother said he didn't have a locker
No sign of a struggle or fight
No marks on KJ that would indicate he struggled or was shoved into the mat
The only person seen going into the gym at the same time KJ did was the white boy who went immediately to class
The basketball players entered approximately 10 minutes later and did not see KJ
Other kids said they kept their things in the mats all the time, not unusual
The way his body was found is indicative of his going in one arm first...as in reaching for something
The blood on the wall was not KJ's and was determined to be too old to be part of the incident
The substance on the shoe was paint
KJ was seen going quickly toward the mats when he entered the gym, he was never seen leaving the gym
The GBI autopsy did not see any signs of blunt force trauma, the family hired pathologist did but did not determine this to be the cause of death
or proof of an altercation.

So, I'm curious, if not a tragic accident, what evidence is there that would make someone believe this was murder? Not speculation or feelings, just tangible evidence of a murder.

 

[nursebeeme]

There is evidence that this was a freak accident:
KJ's established routine, according to many students, was to store his shoes in the mats, even his mother said he didn't have a locker
No sign of a struggle or fight
No marks on KJ that would indicate he struggled or was shoved into the mat
The only person seen going into the gym at the same time KJ did was the [modsnip] boy who went immediately to class
The basketball players entered approximately 10 minutes later and did not see KJ
Other kids said they kept their things in the mats all the time, not unusual
The way his body was found is indicative of his going in one arm first...as in reaching for something
The blood on the wall was not KJ's and was determined to be too old to be part of the incident
The substance on the shoe was paint
KJ was seen going quickly toward the mats when he entered the gym, he was never seen leaving the gym
The GBI autopsy did not see any signs of blunt force trauma, the family hired pathologist did but did not determine this to be the cause of death
or proof of an altercation.

So, I'm curious, if not a tragic accident, what evidence is there that would make someone believe this was murder? Not speculation or feelings, just tangible evidence of a murder.

it is being reopened so hopefully the investigation will be an exhaustive review of all the data

While warning his jurisdiction is limited as a federal prosecutor, Moore said that after lengthy review of evidence collected by authorities and the family's own investigator that "sufficient basis exists" to warrant a formal review of the facts.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/31/justice/georgia-gym-mat-death/

 

[x_files]

There is evidence that this was a freak accident:
KJ's established routine, according to many students, was to store his shoes in the mats, even his mother said he didn't have a locker
No sign of a struggle or fight
No marks on KJ that would indicate he struggled or was shoved into the mat
The only person seen going into the gym at the same time KJ did was the [modsnip] boy who went immediately to class
The basketball players entered approximately 10 minutes later and did not see KJ
Other kids said they kept their things in the mats all the time, not unusual
The way his body was found is indicative of his going in one arm first...as in reaching for something
The blood on the wall was not KJ's and was determined to be too old to be part of the incident
The substance on the shoe was paint
KJ was seen going quickly toward the mats when he entered the gym, he was never seen leaving the gym
The GBI autopsy did not see any signs of blunt force trauma, the family hired pathologist did but did not determine this to be the cause of death
or proof of an altercation.

So, I'm curious, if not a tragic accident, what evidence is there that would make someone believe this was murder? Not speculation or feelings, just tangible evidence of a murder.

If this proves to be a horrible accident, they should provide all students free lockers. (even if it is a homicide) Imagine losing your life over something so dumb and preventable.

 

[Karmady]

If this proves to be a horrible accident, they should provide all students free lockers. (even if it is a homicide) Imagine losing your life over something so dumb and preventable.

The locker fee is $10

 

[gxm]

If this proves to be a horrible accident, they should provide all students free lockers. (even if it is a homicide) Imagine losing your life over something so dumb and preventable.

ITA. IMO, the blame for this tragic accident rests with the school. I find it hard to believe that someone (a gym teacher, coach, custodian, etc.) didn't realize that kids stored their belongings in the mats and that, when the mats were moved into a vertical position and the belongings fell to the bottom, they created a deadly situation. Open cubbyhole-style shelving along one wall would have safely solved the problem.

 

[x_files]

The locker fee is $10

Yearly? monthly? They should waive fees so all kids can access it. This is a public school correct? They have free lunch programs, no one should have to pay to store their crap for school.
To lose a life over $10.
I am not a fan of how public schools are run.

 

[vlpate]

it is being reopened so hopefully the investigation will be an exhaustive review of all the data

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/31/justice/georgia-gym-mat-death/

In his own words from yesterday's Press Conference

What we need are people with facts and knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Mr. Johnson's death to present those to us. Facts, not feelings or opinions, no matter how sincere they may be, are the basis of a legal investigation. At this time, however, I am of the opinion that a sufficient basis exists for a formal review of the facts and investigation surrounding the tragic death of Kendrick Johnson.
Should sufficient information be developed to warrant a criminal civil rights investigation I will ask the FBI to open a Civil Rights or any other appropriate criminal investigation.

(BEM)

As you correctly stated, he is formally, reviewing the investigation conducted by the GBI and Lowndes Sheriff's department that ruled KJ's death an accident. He's been monitoring the case and "informally" reviewing the case all along. I guess the use of "formally" ramps it up a notch. IMO, the basis for review comes from the 2nd autopsy, a private investigator for the family suggesting a child KJ (allegedly) had an altercation with a year earlier might be a suspect, and the threat of marches and the "biggest corruption lawsuit this state has ever seen" by Benjamin Crump, Esq.

Rest assured, if he finds no basis to bring charges and closes the case in agreement with the previous findings by GBI and LSD, this still will not be over. In the meantime, I hope names of innocent people aren't leaked to the public by "sources close to the case".

 

[Karmady]

Yearly? monthly? They should waive fees so all kids can access it. This is a public school correct? They have free lunch programs, no one should have to pay to store their crap for school.
To lose a life over $10.
I am not a fan of how public schools are run.

Based on the school's website, it appears to be an annual fee. Imo, nobody lost their life over $10 -- unless you mean because of priorities wrt to how $10should be spent.

jmo

 

[raeann]

Yearly? monthly? They should waive fees so all kids can access it. This is a public school correct? They have free lunch programs, no one should have to pay to store their crap for school.
To lose a life over $10.
I am not a fan of how public schools are run.

It may not be as simple as that....usually the fee is a deposit on the padlock which is returned at the end of the year when the lock is returned. MANY times, kids choose to keep the money given them by parents for the locks and figure they can just deal with it in ways like keeping the shoes in the gym etc. Other times the kids actually DO HAVE a locker, but because it is in the opposite part of the school, causing them to have to walk there and back between classes, they will simply find a place to "stash" their stuff that is needed between one class and the next. Go to most any high school, and you will also see books or book bags sitting on TOP OF the lockers rather than inside them--as it is easier to just stash it there rather than bother to open their locks between classes. Every school has a stuffed lost and found area full of coats and books and gym shoes and clothes etc. that kids choose to leave in random places because it's "easier" than taking their things back to their lockers.

jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

It may not be as simple as that....usually the fee is a deposit on the padlock which is returned at the end of the year when the lock is returned. MANY times, kids choose to keep the money given them by parents for the locks and figure they can just deal with it in ways like keeping the shoes in the gym etc. Other times the kids actually DO HAVE a locker, but because it is in the opposite part of the school, causing them to have to walk there and back between classes, they will simply find a place to "stash" their stuff that is needed between one class and the next. Go to most any high school, and you will also see books or book bags sitting on TOP OF the lockers rather than inside them--as it is easier to just stash it there rather than bother to open their locks between classes. Every school has a stuffed lost and found area full of coats and books and gym shoes and clothes etc. that kids choose to leave in random places because it's "easier" than taking their things back to their lockers.

jmo

I did the same, I'd stash my books in the classrooms they were for .... I honestly can't remember using or even knowing where my locker was after the first few days of freshman year.


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