GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

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Crump is the family's attorney.
So, I guess he is up for discussion as much as anybody else in the case. Including LE.

So, if Crump wants to question the actions of LE, then the actions of a very outspoken, misleading attorney putting information out there that is not true is just as much a part and should be discussed IMO.

Crump is a HUGE part of this case. He's made sure of that.

It seems Crump's credibility is being attacked, but doesn't the VICTIM's family have a right to know what happened to their own son?
What would you do? Blindly take the lack of info given and walk away? I doubt it you'd fight like hell to find out the Truth.
He is working for the victim's family.
I see lots of distrust of Crump, and KJ's own family on this board. Has the parents done something that seems fishy?

wow.

I want justice and the truth for the victim and his family.
 
  • #604
Im sorry about your uncle.. But the point is here that the clothes are missing. Who lost them? I don't know.. But more than one source says that they were not given back to the family, No one knows where they are presently and they are not in evidence where they probably should be.

Then the family needs to question the funeral home as they were the last ones to claim responsibility for them by signing to accept them.

More professional incompetence maybe? Still not evidence of a cover up. Still wondering if anyone is going to answer the question of "Why".
 
  • #605
Has the parents done something that seems fishy?

wow.

I want justice and the truth for the victim and his family.

SBM

I don't think anyone is suspicious of his family at all. I understand their reasons for wanting answers.

Questioning their lawyer/s does not mean we think the family is fishy. :twocents:
 
  • #606
"That's a part of the murder mystery, too," Crump said. "The fact that his organs are missing, his clothes that had DNA and blood evidence are missing, his fingernails are missing. All of this is missing and it just substantiates the belief that this was not an accident."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...en-investigation-into-ga-teens-gym-mat-death/

Crump has also claimed that police officers likely contaminated the scene after finding the teen's body, that Kendrick's clothes from the day he died are missing, and that the teen's fingernails were cut after his death but the clippings have disappeared.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/31/kendrick-johnson-prosecutor/3324923/

The attorney for the family also argues Johnson's clothes from the day of his death are missing and that police contaminated the scene after finding his body.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topst...orney-Requests-Kendrick-Johnsons-entire-video

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When I google "Kendrick Johnsons clothes missing", the only thing that comes up from MSM is articles with the family or their attorney saying the clothes are missing.
Except the CNN article that does not give a source for that information.

I think there is no way we can say it's a fact that KJ's clothes are missing.

JMO
 
  • #607
This blogger, assuming he's otherwise credible, doesn't source these statements as far as I saw. But even assuming they originally came directly from a credible source it appears that the original source would be the funeral home. The same one that stuffed the body with newspaper also claims they didn't receive the clothes -- although the guy who transported the body signed for them at the crime lab.

~snipped by me

The Monday after his death, the corpse was sent about 150 miles north to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation crime lab near Macon for an autopsy. After it was completed, the body was returned to Valdosta.

The corpse had been moved by Steve Owens, a retired Valdosta police officer who owns a company that transports the deceased. When Owens retrieved the body from the crime lab, he signed a property inventory sheet acknowledging receipt of two white socks, a pair of pants with a belt, black shorts, boxers, and three T-shirts.

Typically, a body is returned to the family with a bag of personal effects — clothing, accessories, and anything else found with the deceased at the time of death. That day, Harrington Funeral Home received two bodies from the GBI crime lab. One arrived with clothing. The other body — Kendrick's — did not. Instead, it came only with a pair of broken headphones.

Somewhere between Macon and Valdosta, Kendrick's clothes had disappeared. The Johnsons believe these items may have contained evidence indicating a physical struggle, giving weight to their suspicion that Kendrick's death was no accident. More importantly, they could have fiber or DNA evidence. Owens, who transported the body, did not respond to requests for comment. As for what the clothing may have shown, the Johnsons may never know.

Underlined BBM.

Exactly! The family's lawyers introduced the newspaper and the missing clothing in an attempt to cite LE's incompetence and/or cover-up and now the funeral home is spinning damage control to cover their rear ends because they're the ones responsible. And IMO, it seems unlikely that it is common to return the clothing of a badly decomposed corpse. JMO. OMO. MOO.
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/07/justice/georgia-gym-mat-death/

Sorry maybe I copied it wrong.. or erased some of it..

Thanks for the good link. I wanted to see it because I couldn't figure out how the coroner would know first hand that the clothes weren't returned to the family (which is, imo, way different then being lost). I don't see in that article where that statement was attributed to the coroner, but I do see it attributed to the family's attorney, King. Did I miss the coroner saying it? Serious question.

~snipped by me

While stopping short of directly accusing authorities of deliberately tampering with the evidence, King said problems with the surveillance are only the latest in a series of oddities that have drawn national attention to Johnson's death. His bloody body was found rolled up in a mat at Lowndes High School on January 11.
A state medical examiner ruled his death accidental, despite evidence of a neck injury found in a second autopsy conducted by a pathologist hired by the family. His fingernails had been clipped, his clothes were missing and his organs had been removed and replaced by newspaper.
"We have had what I think is a series of events that causes you to raise the question, when does a coincidence stop being a coincidence," King told reporters Wednesday in Valdosta, Georgia.
 
  • #609
Then the family needs to question the funeral home as they were the last ones to claim responsibility for them by signing to accept them.

More professional incompetence maybe? Still not evidence of a cover up. Still wondering if anyone is going to answer the question of "Why".

The point is whatever happened to the clothes they are missing.. I never said it was a cover up. But the clothes are missing and you called him a liar for saying so. And he was telling the truth.
 
  • #610
Wouldn't the clothing be considered hazmat since the corpse had decomposed to such a degree?
 
  • #611
The point is whatever happened to the clothes they are missing.. I never said it was a cover up. But the clothes are missing and you called him a liar for saying so. And he was telling the truth.

I didn't call anyone anything. BBM, we still don't know it to be fact. All we know is that HE doesn't know where the clothes are, not that they are mysteriously or suspiciously missing.
 
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The point is whatever happened to the clothes they are missing.. I never said it was a cover up. But the clothes are missing and you called him a liar for saying so. And he was telling the truth.

How do we know they are missing?
I have seen no sources say that except attorneys and the family.
I think the family is listening to an attorney who spins and twists truth.
They deserve better.

JMO
 
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How do we know they are missing?
I have seen no sources say that except attorneys at the family.
I think the family is listening to an attorney who spins and twists truth.
They deserve better.

JMO

BBM Amen! The family deserves to know the facts and for them to be explained to them without spin and emotion attached. My heart aches for them.
 
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Thanks for the good link. I wanted to see it because I couldn't figure out how the coroner would know first hand that the clothes weren't returned to the family (which is, imo, way different then being lost). I don't see in that article where that statement was attributed to the coroner, but I do see it attributed to the family's attorney, King. Did I miss the coroner saying it? Serious question.

~snipped by me

While stopping short of directly accusing authorities of deliberately tampering with the evidence, King said problems with the surveillance are only the latest in a series of oddities that have drawn national attention to Johnson's death. His bloody body was found rolled up in a mat at Lowndes High School on January 11.
A state medical examiner ruled his death accidental, despite evidence of a neck injury found in a second autopsy conducted by a pathologist hired by the family. His fingernails had been clipped, his clothes were missing and his organs had been removed and replaced by newspaper.
"We have had what I think is a series of events that causes you to raise the question, when does a coincidence stop being a coincidence," King told reporters Wednesday in Valdosta, Georgia.

"A state medical examiner ruled his death accidental, despite evidence of a neck injury found in a second autopsy conducted by a pathologist hired by the family. His fingernails had been clipped, his clothes were missing and his organs had been removed and replaced by newspaper."
This paragraph is not attributed to King and is a stand alone report.

I believe that the clothes are missing.

The quote from King comes after that listing that clothes were missing.
 
  • #615
That was the author of the article saying that, it is not attributed to anybody.
 
  • #616
That was the author of the article saying that, it is not attributed to anybody.

Yes, He is as a fact. Which means he has a source for it he found credible. Maybe it is an informant, Maybe an officer, I don't know.. But it is there in print. Not from the lawyer. Not attributed to Crump..

There.
 
  • #617
"A state medical examiner ruled his death accidental, despite evidence of a neck injury found in a second autopsy conducted by a pathologist hired by the family. His fingernails had been clipped, his clothes were missing and his organs had been removed and replaced by newspaper."
This paragraph is not attributed to King and is a stand alone report.

I believe that the clothes are missing.

The quote from King comes after that listing that clothes were missing.

It's possible that it's stand alone, but it's sandwiched between King's statements. And we know the attorneys have cited the missing clothes over and over. But regardless, it doesn't say anywhere that the coroner said or believes that the clothes are missing, does it? Still a serious question :)
 
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Yes, He is as a fact. Which means he has a source for it he found credible. Maybe it is an informant, Maybe an officer, I don't know.. But it is there in print. Not from the lawyer. Not attributed to Crump..

There.

So... we still don't know the source of the information.
 
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It's possible that it's stand alone, but it's sandwiched between King's statements. And we know the attorneys have cited the missing clothes over and over. But regardless, it doesn't say anywhere that the coroner said or believes that the clothes are missing, does it? Still a serious question :)

You are correct. The article is about the coroner and his information but you are correct it is not attributed to him either.

My point of this was that people were saying that Crump was a liar based on him saying the clothes are missing. CNN apparently believes that too. Not a blog.. Not a random paper.. But CNN.

If people want to ignore it, Because they have some incredible hate for Crump, That is fine but there are plenty of places it is repeated information and this article is only days old.. So I would think in all that time, They would either be able to confirm it or call it false.

I don't know how his clothes are missing but I do believe they are and that Crump is telling the truth.
 
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If the clothes are missing it's important to know who "lost" them. If it's part of a coverup it needs to be known who is responsible. It appears to me that Crump is the source of the claim that they are missing and that they may contain evidence of a crime.

It would be nice if he backed up his claim with something concrete. His throwing it out to the media without anything to back it up is just inflaming things. He would better serve the family if he only make statements that can be explained with evidence. MOO.
 
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