GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

[Kimberlyd125]

This boy hurt his son before. He is angry and grieving and yes. He gets a pass from me. AT least for now.

That's unfortunate.

We could end up with another dead child because of this finger pointing.

 

[vlpate]

Where did the information come from?

Researching the case...most of which is sourced here repeatedly or on the timeline thread.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I appreciate the info.

But the mats were normally stored on their sides not vertically yes?

The school stated that they were first turned vertically over the Christmas break. Prior to that, they were always kept horizontally.

However, police reports state that it was common practice for kids to walk on top of the mats, drop candy wrappers and soda cans down in them. Sooooo, which is true?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"Now MailOnline can reveal that Kendrick was involved in an incident with a football team mate in 2011 which involved the police.Police have said they have looked into the incident in connection with Kendrick's death and have cleared the individual of any involvement.
But the family hope the U.S. Attorney will look again at the confrontation when reviewing the case."

"On the back of the bus one of the senior players on the team allegedly picked a fight with Kendrick, known as 'K.J.' to his friends. The player, who MailOnline is not naming, was trading barbs with Johnson about each other’s mothers - when the younger freshmen seemed to outwit the varsity player.
‘They start saying mama jokes and my son got the best of him with the jokes and he came at him and tried to put him in a headlock, and my son got away from him and he put it to him real good,' said Mr Johnson.
According to one of Kendrick’s best friends the attack was unprovoked. ‘This kid came out of nowhere,’ Rickey Giddens, 17, told MailOnline about the ‘real big’ unidentified boy.


‘The kid just wanted to fight Kendrick and he was like "I don’t know you, so why you want to fight me for?" It shocked me.'
"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gym-mat-claims-bullied-boy.html#ixzz2jjOQScbL
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The kid went after Kendrick. There were witnesses.. If this is the same boy his father is talking about now..

I can see why he would want it further investigated. If I were him I would not trust that the police CLEARED him.. What does that mean? a 2 hour investigation?

They have reason not to trust these police. I am so glad the feds are involved.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The school stated that they were first turned vertically over the Christmas break. Prior to that, they were always kept horizontally.

However, police reports state that it was common practice for kids to walk on top of the mats, drop candy wrappers and soda cans down in them. Sooooo, which is true?

Im going with the school. I just don't think I can give the police the automatic green light with how this has all been handled.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

"Now MailOnline can reveal that Kendrick was involved in an incident with a football team mate in 2011 which involved the police.Police have said they have looked into the incident in connection with Kendrick's death and have cleared the individual of any involvement.
But the family hope the U.S. Attorney will look again at the confrontation when reviewing the case."

"On the back of the bus one of the senior players on the team allegedly picked a fight with Kendrick, known as 'K.J.' to his friends. The player, who MailOnline is not naming, was trading barbs with Johnson about each other’s mothers - when the younger freshmen seemed to outwit the varsity player.
‘They start saying mama jokes and my son got the best of him with the jokes and he came at him and tried to put him in a headlock, and my son got away from him and he put it to him real good,' said Mr Johnson.
According to one of Kendrick’s best friends the attack was unprovoked. ‘This kid came out of nowhere,’ Rickey Giddens, 17, told MailOnline about the ‘real big’ unidentified boy.


‘The kid just wanted to fight Kendrick and he was like "I don’t know you, so why you want to fight me for?" It shocked me.'
"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gym-mat-claims-bullied-boy.html#ixzz2jjOQScbL
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

The kid went after Kendrick. There were witnesses.. If this is the same boy his father is talking about now..

I can see why he would want it further investigated. If I were him I would not trust that the police CLEARED him.. What does that mean? a 2 hour investigation?

They have reason not to trust these police. I am so glad the feds are involved.

What are the reasons they have to not trust these police?

And if the Feds back up the police departments findings? Then what?

It will never change the minds of countless people who will only accept an arrest. Even if its found (again) to be an accidental death.

The father has already said that.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Im going with the school. I just don't think I can give the police the automatic green light with how this has all been handled.

I'm confused about this. How was it handled wrong by police?

 

[gxm]

Thanks. And Yes yes yes. The things that are sticking out to me are things like.. a 2 hour investigation and they " know" it was an accident.
The shoe thing is really odd and I am not sure that we know half of that truth yet.

What you just posted about the statements, just adds to it. If I were his parents I would be completely angry and frustrated along with grieving and in great pain.

BBM.

Page 20 of the Incident Report does not say it was an accident. It says that the family was told there were no signs of trauma and that KJ's body would be sent for an autopsy. The word "accident" is not used.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Also from the daily mail link:

Trap: His family believe he was lured into the gym - where students store personal items rather than pay a locker fee - by a 'white girl'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gym-mat-claims-bullied-boy.html#ixzz2jjOp0DUv
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[vlpate]

So the mats were actually stored vertically BEFORE Christmas break and school officials lied about them only being stored that way since the break?

See, this is the kind of stuff that makes me question the veracity of any statement made by the school.

Scenario (not true dates):
3:30 PM on Friday 12/20 mats are stored.
4:00 PM on Friday 12/20 the Christmas break begins
How long since the break? Sunday 12/22 would be two days since the break
The mats were stored before the break

What is the lie?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What are the reasons they have to not trust these police?

And if the Feds back up the police departments findings? Then what?

It will never change the minds of countless people who will only accept an arrest. Even if its found (again) to be an accidental death.

The police did not investigate this case correctly. They had their answer in 2 hours. They have handled the whole thing badly. The second autopsy shows blunt force trauma..

This does not look like an accident to me.

Not yet. If they can prove that to me, I am open to it, But no way now. It just is too hinky.

 

[gxm]

Im going with the school. I just don't think I can give the police the automatic green light with how this has all been handled.

I think the mats were stored both ways, sometimes vertically and sometimes horizontally, depending on how much space was needed. Clearly, as KJ was found in a vertical mat, the direction fluctuated.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Also from the daily mail link:



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gym-mat-claims-bullied-boy.html#ixzz2jjOp0DUv
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So now a girl (emphasis on her race) lured him into the gym so a boy he had a fight with 2 years ago (emphasis on his race also) could kill him and stuff him in a mat.

Then everybody from LE and a medical examiner covered evidence.

:waiting: I'm sorry. Just seems beyond weird to me.

 

[FrayedKnot]

That's unfortunate.

We could end up with another dead child because of this finger pointing.

Grieving parents who question their child's death are not the perps here.

If someone had killed Joran Van DerSloot because of Beth Holloway's relentless crusade to find out what happened to her baby, Natalee, would that have been blood on Beth's hands? NO!

Yes, Joran was guilty. But at the time she had ZERO proof that he was. And she persevered and ultimately, she was right.

She had every right to question Natalee's disappearance and Kendrick's parents have every right to question his weird death.

And it is in the daggum crime report that some kid whose name is redacted DID post some awfully sketchy and hateful things about KJ on social media. So this is NOT the parents fabricating. This is actual activity investigated by the POLICE.

*and breathe*

Namaste.

 

[gxm]

The police did not investigate this case correctly. They had their answer in 2 hours. They have handled the whole thing badly. The second autopsy shows blunt force trauma..

This does not look like an accident to me.

Not yet. If they can prove that to me, I am open to it, But no way now. It just is too hinky.

No. They did not. They waited for the GBI autopsy and forensics to declare it an accident. Page 20 of the Incident Report does not use the word "accident," it simply notes the lack of any signs of trauma.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The police did not investigate this case correctly. They had their answer in 2 hours. They have handled the whole thing badly. The second autopsy shows blunt force trauma..

This does not look like an accident to me.

Not yet. If they can prove that to me, I am open to it, But no way now. It just is too hinky.

You are incorrect. They had their answer after they investigated for four months and got the autopsy results.
Not sure where the 2 hours is coming from.

So you believe one medical examiner but not the other? What makes the one the family hired more qualified?

 

[vlpate]

The school stated that they were first turned vertically over the Christmas break. Prior to that, they were always kept horizontally.

However, police reports state that it was common practice for kids to walk on top of the mats, drop candy wrappers and soda cans down in them. Sooooo, which is true?

Do you have a link to the report that says they dropped candy wrappers and soda cans down in them? Thanks. (BEM)

 

[FrayedKnot]

Scenario (not true dates):
3:30 PM on Friday 12/20 mats are stored.
4:00 PM on Friday 12/20 the Christmas break begins
How long since the break? Sunday 12/22 would be two days since the break
The mats were stored before the break

What is the lie?

So at what point would these student have to form a regular habit of walking on and hanging out on these vertical mats?

Saturday the 21st? While school was out? How could this have been an ordinary every day occurrence if the mats were previously always stored horizontally, as stated by the school?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM.

Page 20 of the Incident Report does not say it was an accident. It says that the family was told there were no signs of trauma and that KJ's body would be sent for an autopsy. The word "accident" is not used.

"the day that Kendrick was found....us local parents received a phone call around 11 am, telling us that a body of a deceased student had been found on the school property and that all Lowndes County Schools were on lock down....about 2 hours later, we were all contacted again and told that the death had been ruled an accident with no foul play involved and that schools were no longer under lock down."

That was released to the parents. They were calling it an accident from the beginning.



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[Kimberlyd125]

Grieving parents who question their child's death are not the perps here.

If someone had killed Joran Van DerSloot because of Beth Holloway's relentless crusade to find out what happened to her baby, Natalee, would that have been blood on Beth's hands? NO!

Yes, Joran was guilty. But at the time she had ZERO proof that he was. And she persevered and ultimately, she was right.

She had every right to question Natalee's disappearance and Kendrick's parents have every right to question his weird death.

And it is in the daggum crime report that some kid whose name is redacted DID post some awfully sketchy and hateful things about KJ on social media. So this is NOT the parents fabricating. This is actual activity investigated by the POLICE.

*and breathe*

Namaste.

I never implied they were. But you can't go around pointing fingers at minor children like that!
You don't see the danger in that?

I've said from day one and still believe these parents deserve to know what happened to their son. My heart breaks for them.

But it also breaks for the innocent lives that will forever be changed by finger pointing without ANY evidence to back it up.

It's wrong. Period.

And we don't know who posted that stuff to FB. Or at least I don't.