GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

[Sherp]

We will see whether or not US attorney Moore agrees with that.

And so we will, however, both autopsy noted that his face was not the result of being beaten, but the sad result of body fluids draining into his cranium. Nor have defense wounds on his hands noted either. Folk don't get assaulted without physical evidence on their body.

 

[iSleuth]

And so we will, however, both autopsy noted that his face was not the result of being beaten, but the sad result of body fluids draining into his cranium. Nor have defense wounds on his hands noted either. Folk don't get assaulted without physical evidence on their body.

Blunt force trauma to the right side of the neck could be the result of being beaten.


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[Sherp]

Blunt force trauma to the right side of the neck could be the result of being beaten.


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Georgia Bureau of Investigation has stated they stand by the autopsy done by their Forensic Physician and the autopsy Peer Review where no blunt force trauma was noted. That is good enough for me. Some no name Doc from Florida comes to Georgia and knows more then the GBI. No, not possible. oWhay

 

[hambirg]

Blunt force trauma to the right side of the neck could be the result of being beaten.


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Motive? Evidence that anyone had access to Kendrick long enough to attack him and stuff him, somehow, into that mat?

 

[scmom]

I think the appearance of bruising on the right side of the neck is due to the blood pooling there. The spine would not have maintained a vertical line once a person lost consciousness because all of the muscles would have relaxed.

 

[iSleuth]

Motive? Evidence that anyone had access to Kendrick long enough to attack him and stuff him, somehow, into that mat?

He was a missing person for 10 or so hours.


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[Sherp]

He was a missing person for 10 or so hours.


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Indeed poor Kendrick was upside down in a rolled up mat for many hours. His mat was surrounded by other huge mats neatly where they had been stacked for the floor cleaning. I have seen no indication that the mats were disturbed prior to the Gym teacher and student pushing them away from the wall where they lay haphazardly on the floor. The huge mats are very difficult to move and not tinker toys.

 

[SwampMama]

yeah, I've seen this before (post 503) and a bunch of people responded. Here's what I said the first time. My opinion on it hasn't changed. Don't know how to bring the actual posts forward for new posters. Mine, below, was in response to Pearl.

Right. And besides, how is it telling in any relevant way? If teachers, etc. did not go, I'm sure they had their reasons. Maybe, considering the climate of the situation, they thought it was best to stay away to keep the focus of the funeral on Kendrick's memory rather than on strife in the community. jmo

Thanks Karmady, this is a very important point. Early on in this case, before it got huge and controversial, I went to a Johnson family website to express my condolences. But I was absolutely shocked and horrified at the ugliness that I found there. The race card and conspiracy theory was already prominently in play with many inflammatory and insulting remarks hurled at anyone (whether black or white) who did not fully embrace the viscous murder/racially motivated/conspiracy and coverup theory.

At that point I backed away from the case because I did not wish to be involved in a case where fact and intelligent conversation were frowned upon and unfounded or downright false rumor were promoted. As a teacher, there is no way I would go to a funeral in such an atmosphere and risk being attacked or accused of being part of the coverup.

 

[iSleuth]

Indeed poor Kendrick was upside down in a rolled up mat for many hours. His mat was surrounded by other huge mats neatly where they had been stacked for the floor cleaning. I have seen no indication that the mats were disturbed prior to the Gym teacher and student pushing them away from the wall where they lay haphazardly on the floor. The huge mats are very difficult to move and not tinker toys.

The question was < evidence someone had time and opportunity... And my reply was someone had 10 plus hours. >Before being discovered
Now that you mention it,
And I keep hearing about stacked for cleaning here it is brought up again - yet every mat I see in gymnasium videos. (1. Kj going into gym 2 . Next day ) show Maroon mats in a horizontal position.

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Plus all the old blood in the corner . Makes me wonder when all this cleaning and stacking actually took place .
Maybe that very day? Jan11

Also. The center stage radio show interview with the Johnson's their lawyer ( which I listened to today for the first time raises many good points - the gym teacher who found the mat. some could expect teacher free student.. But then while it was a crime scene ems and LE with Kj .. Obviously would presume .. Kj Outside of the mat still all while no coroner still was notified- Kj was examined of course but then
Why???re rolled for the coroner?
So yes emphatically, there was lots of time there was even time after KJ was found for him to be " put" into a a rolled up gym mat in the old gym.



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[Tawny]

I'm confused, are there suspicions about the gym teacher who found him?

 

[iSleuth]

I'm confused, are there suspicions about the gym teacher who found him?

No, nothing about the gym teacher.


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[iSleuth]

Georgia Bureau of Investigation has stated they stand by the autopsy done by their Forensic Physician and the autopsy Peer Review where no blunt force trauma was noted. That is good enough for me. Some no name Doc from Florida comes to Georgia and knows more then the GBI. No, not possible. oWhay

it is in their best interest as they are major stakeholders.


stakeholder
A person, group or organization that has interest or concern in an organization.

Stakeholders can affect or be affected by the organization's actions, objectives and policies. Some examples of key stakeholders are creditors, directors, employees, government (and its agencies), owners (shareholders), suppliers, unions, and the community from which the business draws its resources.


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[Jim-moran]

The question was < evidence someone had time and opportunity... And my reply was someone had 10 plus hours. >Before being discovered
Now that you mention it,
And I keep hearing about stacked for cleaning here it is brought up again - yet every mat I see in gymnasium videos. (1. Kj going into gym 2 . Next day ) show Maroon mats in a horizontal position.

And

The maroon mats are actual wrestling mats. They generally come 38x38' or 40x40' and are split into three sections. The mats in the screen shot look like the older type to me because of the solid color (red at the ends). They probably do weigh 4-600lbs so they are never stacked vertically. What does the position of those mats matter anyway? Not one person has contested the fact that twenty or so of the shorter mats were stacked vertically in the corner.

 

[noZme]

I would rather be stakeholder with the accreditation of GBI than with (in my opinion) a rogue like Dr Bill Anderson.

I am convinced that if this case was re-examined by Drs Perper, Lee, Wecht, Bell, Baden & Hippocrates who agreed with the medical examiner, many people would still doubt their results. Shall we look up definitions for preponderance of evidence?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I would rather be stakeholder with the accreditation of GBI than with (in my opinion) a rogue like Dr Bill Anderson.

I am convinced that if this case was re-examined by Drs Perper, Lee, Wecht, Bell, Baden & Hippocrates who agreed with the medical examiner, many people would still doubt their results. Shall we look up definitions for preponderance of evidence?

I think the problem is that there are too many things that pose questions for us. I have issues with the findings so far, The way it has been handled and the information that we have so far.

I think that since all are human, anyone can make mistakes and that if the second examiner has more information than the first, it has to be reinvestigated and resolved completely. until it is, I see a possible beating here and that is not going to get me to accident.

 

[Tawny]

When there are conflicting results of official examinations, I lean toward the accredited professional who is respected by his/her peers over the questionable hired hand. It has been proven by past cases that the examiner hired for the second autopsy has been "mistaken" before. JMO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

When there are conflicting results of official examinations, I lean toward the accredited professional who is respected by his/her peers over the questionable hired hand. It has been proven by past cases that the examiner hired for the second autopsy has been "mistaken" before. JMO.

Not me. just because someone is more famous, or educated does not make them automatically right.

 

[Tawny]

Not me. just because someone is more famous, or educated does not make them automatically right.

You're absolutely right. However, a proven track record of mistakes will certainly affect my opinion negatively. I have seen no proven record of mistakes for the first examiner. I have seen them for the second. His results are questionable, to me, because he has been wrong before. :twocents:

 

[iSleuth]

I would rather be stakeholder with the accreditation of GBI than with (in my opinion) a rogue like Dr Bill Anderson.

I am convinced that if this case was re-examined by Drs Perper, Lee, Wecht, Bell, Baden & Hippocrates who agreed with the medical examiner, many people would still doubt their results. Shall we look up definitions for preponderance of evidence?

Preponderance of evidence - officials skipping several protocols, contaminating, losing evidence etc .. so that crucial aspects of the science and forensics were destroyed. This casts reasonable doubt on it as either an accident or a crime. Handy ..Maybe the tampering is a double edged sword. If it was an accident wouldn't they have preserved the evidence better ?

Rip Kj



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[ScarlettScarpetta]

You're absolutely right. However, a proven track record of mistakes will certainly affect my opinion negatively. I have seen no proven record of mistakes for the first examiner. I have seen them for the second. His results are questionable, to me, because he has been wrong before. :twocents:

Everyone is wrong. There are no perfect humans. But we don't know that the other Examiner has never been wrong. Maybe this is the first time a second autopsy has been performed after his findings. That does not make him perfect, That makes it just undiscovered.

My guess is that as a rule his results are treated as gospel, so would we even know if people have not questioned him before?