GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

[gxm]

From what i understand, the mats were stored in horizontal position prior.
So he wouldn't have been trying to get the shoes out of a vertically stored mat prior to the incident.

I'm guessing there were previous times that the mats were moved from the horizontal to vertical position. But that's just a guess.

 

[gxm]

What's so troubling is how this case has presented itself through the media and to the public/community.

Despite thousands of hours of video and thousands of pages of information that was gathered during the investigation, they are still using a photo of Kendrick out of context. They have publicly named kids and accused them of murdering Kendrick. These kids live in a small town. They have damaged the reputation of these kids and all those involved in the investigation by stating there is some kind of conspiracy to cover up his death. People have been mislead into believing that this has racist implications. It has divided the community, people have been harassed and received threats. They have no facts to back up their allegations. They have questions, a lot of which can be explained and have been answered but they haven't corrected themselves or backed off those statements that have been made and they are continuing to use them to fire people up.

Both Pastor Rose and Leigh Touchton (former NAACP president), have given many years of their lives to the community to fight for justice. They both did their own extensive investigation into KJ's death. They both spoke out on their findings and because they spoke the truth of what they found and it differed from those that are involved in this campaign are using to fuel the fire, they to have been thrown under the bus after all these years of service they provided to the community.

Like I said, this is a small community, that has become divided and I would hate to live in that community right now, let alone be employed by LE, the school, related to an accused, etc.

They are not going to stop or be satisfied, until someone is convicted of his murder?

There are only two ways that I see anyone being convicted in this case. Either someone confesses or it's caught on video. There are no facts, or evidence presented so far, after all this time, that indicate this was anything other than an accident.

ITA. It's highly problematic that one boy was physically assaulted so shortly after KJ was found (by my estimation, in under three hours). IMO, it is starting to look like a witch hunt. JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[vlpate]

What's so troubling is how this case has presented itself through the media and to the public/community.

Despite thousands of hours of video and thousands of pages of information that was gathered during the investigation, they are still using a photo of Kendrick out of context. They have publicly named kids and accused them of murdering Kendrick. These kids live in a small town. They have damaged the reputation of these kids and all those involved in the investigation by stating there is some kind of conspiracy to cover up his death. People have been mislead into believing that this has racist implications. It has divided the community, people have been harassed and received threats. They have no facts to back up their allegations. They have questions, a lot of which can be explained and have been answered but they haven't corrected themselves or backed off those statements that have been made and they are continuing to use them to fire people up.

Both Pastor Rose and Leigh Touchton (former NAACP president), have given many years of their lives to the community to fight for justice. They both did their own extensive investigation into KJ's death. They both spoke out on their findings and because they spoke the truth of what they found and it differed from those that are involved in this campaign are using to fuel the fire, they to have been thrown under the bus after all these years of service they provided to the community.

Like I said, this is a small community, that has become divided and I would hate to live in that community right now, let alone be employed by LE, the school, related to an accused, etc.

They are not going to stop or be satisfied, until someone is convicted of his murder?

There are only two ways that I see anyone being convicted in this case. Either someone confesses or it's caught on video. There are no facts, or evidence presented so far, after all this time, that indicate this was anything other than an accident.

Not much different from Crump's last high profile case ... even now the initial misrepresentations in that case are believed to have been facts. The hustlers know the vast majority of the public will get their news from MSM or word of mouth - very few dig for the truth and when the truth is presented to them they don't believe it because part of the hustler's rhetoric is to instill distrust and warn of cover ups and racial bias. There's also the sense of community and being involved in a fight for justice. However misguided, I get that most are sincere in their efforts - but the media, has absolutely no excuse for knowingly aiding and sustaining a ruse. The divisive damage that's done may not ever be repaired.

 

[Steely Dan]

What's so troubling is how this case has presented itself through the media and to the public/community.

Despite thousands of hours of video and thousands of pages of information that was gathered during the investigation, they are still using a photo of Kendrick out of context. They have publicly named kids and accused them of murdering Kendrick. These kids live in a small town. They have damaged the reputation of these kids and all those involved in the investigation by stating there is some kind of conspiracy to cover up his death. People have been mislead into believing that this has racist implications. It has divided the community, people have been harassed and received threats. They have no facts to back up their allegations. They have questions, a lot of which can be explained and have been answered but they haven't corrected themselves or backed off those statements that have been made and they are continuing to use them to fire people up.

Both Pastor Rose and Leigh Touchton (former NAACP president), have given many years of their lives to the community to fight for justice. They both did their own extensive investigation into KJ's death. They both spoke out on their findings and because they spoke the truth of what they found and it differed from those that are involved in this campaign are using to fuel the fire, they to have been thrown under the bus after all these years of service they provided to the community.

Like I said, this is a small community, that has become divided and I would hate to live in that community right now, let alone be employed by LE, the school, related to an accused, etc.

They are not going to stop or be satisfied, until someone is convicted of his murder?

There are only two ways that I see anyone being convicted in this case. Either someone confesses or it's caught on video. There are no facts, or evidence presented so far, after all this time, that indicate this was anything other than an accident.

I'm still up in the air about this one. I see both sides. I think everybody should look at it this way. If your kid was invited by a FAMILY to come over fight one time and then he was found like Kendrick was, wouldn't you think murder is a good possibility? The parents are hamhandedly handling the PR, but there is enough question there that the feds want to double check it. JMO

 

[vlpate]

I'm still up in the air about this one. I see both sides. I think everybody should look at it this way. If your kid was invited by a FAMILY to come over fight one time and then he was found like Kendrick was, wouldn't you think murder is a good possibility? The parents are hamhandedly handling the PR, but there is enough question there that the feds want to double check it. JMO

Besides coming from the legal team, is there anything in the official documents that verifies this information, re an invitation to fight?

Could it have been in the heat of the moment that a father whose son was beat up by KJ told Mr or Mrs Johnson to have KJ come to his house next time he wanted to fight his son? We don't know who started the bus fight or why they fought.

 

[Steely Dan]

Besides coming from the legal team, is there anything in the official documents that verifies this information, re an invitation to fight?

Could it have been in the heat of the moment that a father whose son was beat up by KJ told Mr or Mrs Johnson to have KJ come to his house next time he wanted to fight his son? We don't know who started the bus fight or why they fought.

I believe it was in one of the articles posted here. What father tells someone to have the kid come over to their place to fight next time? I'd call the father and ask him what happened to confirm my kids story. They'd probably differ, but I'd be able to eventually figure it out. JMO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I'm still up in the air about this one. I see both sides. I think everybody should look at it this way. If your kid was invited by a FAMILY to come over fight one time and then he was found like Kendrick was, wouldn't you think murder is a good possibility? The parents are hamhandedly handling the PR, but there is enough question there that the feds want to double check it. JMO

I can see a parents grief and how that can affect their thoughts. People can be fueled by emotion and that can interfere with looking at facts. I want to make it clear that I'm not referring to the parents, as I feel they are victims and being further damaged by others agenda in this matter.

Being a teen isn't easy. If you can make it through school without having an issue with another kid, then that's great. Same applies to adult relationships. What I'm saying is, conflict happens all the time.

I must have missed the evidence that the "family" invited KJ over to fight? This supposedly happened sometime before his death didn't it? So if they investigated the whereabouts of the kids in question, determined they had an alibi or could not have possibly committed a crime within the minutes that it would have taken to do so, rolled him up in a mat, placed that mat behind other mats, plus clean up, etc.... Or, stuff him down in that mat, with no blood around the mat or at the foot end of the mat, without being seen or caught on tape.....

So I guess it's ok, to publicly named a kid as a murderer, based on the fact that at one time, the kid and KJ had a disagreement? I would hate to be that child or his family.

I don't have a problem with anyone asking questions. I don't have a problem with them reviewing the investigation to get answers. I have a problem with this being fueled by emotion and not fact. I have a problem with all the innocent people that are being mislead and accused.

They are reviewing the case so that hopefully some peace can be obtained from this. What will happen though, if the case facts show that a crime wasn't committed? They have already stated, they will accept nothing less than a conviction.

What will become of those falsely accused of wrong doing? Their lives certainly have been turned upside down. KJ's death was a tragedy by itself. Unfortunately, because of the actions of those not interested in presenting the facts accurately, a domino effect was created causing great harm to many others....and it continues.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I'm still up in the air about this one. I see both sides. I think everybody should look at it this way. If your kid was invited by a FAMILY to come over fight one time and then he was found like Kendrick was, wouldn't you think murder is a good possibility? The parents are hamhandedly handling the PR, but there is enough question there that the feds want to double check it. JMO

If that ever happened at all.

 

[gxm]

Not much different from Crump's last high profile case ... even now the initial misrepresentations in that case are believed to have been facts. The hustlers know the vast majority of the public will get their news from MSM or word of mouth - very few dig for the truth and when the truth is presented to them they don't believe it because part of the hustler's rhetoric is to instill distrust and warn of cover ups and racial bias. There's also the sense of community and being involved in a fight for justice. However misguided, I get that most are sincere in their efforts - but the media, has absolutely no excuse for knowingly aiding and sustaining a ruse. The divisive damage that's done may not ever be repaired.

This strange, new cultural directive to push the judicial system to bring charges against someone with ZERO evidence to support those charges is frightening. People keep parroting "justice for Kendrick" or "we just want to know the truth." But the opposite seems to be sought: injustice and trumped up charges. Really scary stuff.

 

[gxm]

I'm still up in the air about this one. I see both sides. I think everybody should look at it this way. If your kid was invited by a FAMILY to come over fight one time and then he was found like Kendrick was, wouldn't you think murder is a good possibility? The parents are hamhandedly handling the PR, but there is enough question there that the feds want to double check it. JMO

The kid has an alibi. He was on the other side of the school when KJ went missing. If the teacher and the video back his alibi up, then IMO there isn't anything to question except why the feds have decided to "double check" it. There is a very troubling cultural pattern that is developing and IMO it's the opposite of seeking justice and more like blood-thirsty witch hunting. JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[EGirl]

It doesn't look like they were clipped at all. I think I misunderstood one of the articles that said the "fingernails were removed." I think what was meant was that the nails were shorter than usual but it doesn't look like that is because someone clipped them. They appear to be somewhat ragged.

Salem

What damage would have been done do his fingers if he was scratching and clawing trying to get out of the mat?

 

[EGirl]

I'm still up in the air about this one. I see both sides. I think everybody should look at it this way. If your kid was invited by a FAMILY to come over fight one time and then he was found like Kendrick was, wouldn't you think murder is a good possibility? The parents are hamhandedly handling the PR, but there is enough question there that the feds want to double check it. JMO

Didn't the altercation between the two boys happen at least a year earlier?

 

[Steely Dan]

Didn't the altercation between the two boys happen at least a year earlier?

I actually think two. That doesn't really matter if the kid is a psychopath and so is his dad. JMO

 

[FrayedKnot]

@vlpate: :seeya:

Crime scene report states on p.4 that the black and white Adidas shoes was on the floor near Kendrick's head, in a pool of blood. (Pics show it sitting atop the puddle with no blood visible on the shoes from above)

HTH!

Where was it's mate, I wonder. I was skimming the reports for that, but haven't seen mention of it yet. Weird.

ETA: okay, found it. One of the shoes was Crime Scene Item #1 and was found near the mat. The other shoe was Crime Scene Item #7 and was the one in the pool of blood near Kendrick's head.

 

[EmiLove832]

Maybe someone can clarify for me about the shoes.

The way I understood the shoe situation, was that the mats were typically horizontal but were moved vertically for space purposes and that KJ had his shoes in the mat PRIOR to the mats being moved vertically. If that is the case, whoever moved the mats was likely to have seen/felt the shoes when tipping the mats up. As heavy as they are, I would think the shoes would've tumbled to the bottom of the mat before it was upright. I suppose its possible the shoes fell in the perfect position so the mat went right over them. But I find that unlikely.

The reason I question the shoes being in the mats before or after they were moved, is if they were in the mats prior to being moved, it's more likely they were thrown into the mat by someone looking to mess with KJ.

I know young men don't think super clearly but I still have a hard time with the thought of him going into a mat that appears to be his height or taller and thinking he would be able to get out.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Maybe someone can clarify for me about the shoes.

The way I understood the shoe situation, was that the mats were typically horizontal but were moved vertically for space purposes and that KJ had his shoes in the mat PRIOR to the mats being moved vertically. If that is the case, whoever moved the mats was likely to have seen/felt the shoes when tipping the mats up. As heavy as they are, I would think the shoes would've tumbled to the bottom of the mat before it was upright. I suppose its possible the shoes fell in the perfect position so the mat went right over them. But I find that unlikely.

The reason I question the shoes being in the mats before or after they were moved, is if they were in the mats prior to being moved, it's more likely they were thrown into the mat by someone looking to mess with KJ.

I know young men don't think super clearly but I still have a hard time with the thought of him going into a mat that appears to be his height or taller and thinking he would be able to get out.

He knows that it is going to be a tight squeeze and it is not like he can reach it without climbing in. So would he climb in upside down, and think he could get out backwards, in the tight tube also vertically?

No. Sorry. That is a big no for me.

Im just catching up on the thread.
This case has so many odd things to figure out. I hope and pray we find the truth.

 

[vlpate]

The 6-foot-tall, 190-pound spelunker
For those wondering how KJ could have gotten into the mat due to opening size vs his size. The young man in the story also went in with a purpose.

KSL: The rescuers had to squeeze through narrow, twisting passageways. Jones' feet were sticking out, his head down, his body completely plugging a narrow tunnel 10 to 14 inches wide.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I just see this completely differently and from what I get the cave did not start at that width but ended up at that width around that weird turn.

I still do not see this yet as an accident.. IT seems tooo something.

 

[vlpate]

@vlpate: :seeya:

Crime scene report states on p.4 that the black and white Adidas shoes was on the floor near Kendrick's head, in a pool of blood. (Pics show it sitting atop the puddle with no blood visible on the shoes from above)

HTH!

Where was it's mate, I wonder. I was skimming the reports for that, but haven't seen mention of it yet. Weird.

ETA: okay, found it. One of the shoes was Crime Scene Item #1 and was found near the mat. The other shoe was Crime Scene Item #7 and was the one in the pool of blood near Kendrick's head.

TY... later in the same report #7 was placed in a bag and put into a dryer because it was "saturated" in blood. The shoe in the picture is clearly not "saturated". I find that picture that's being touted as evidence of foul play misleading. The blood wouldn't have only been on the underside of the shoe if blood was dripping from above.

I think the insinuation is that someone placed a clean shoe on top of the blood to come up with the (cover up) "going after his shoe" story.

So the second shoe may have been in the mat with KJ and fell out when they pulled the mat down, which would explain why it is clean. IMO

 

[gxm]

The 6-foot-tall, 190-pound spelunker
For those wondering how KJ could have gotten into the mat due to opening size vs his size. The young man in the story also went in with a purpose.

I remember this tragic story. I don't know what to make of people who keep saying it's impossible to become trapped in a tight space that one was able to squeeze into but can't wiggle free from. It's a scary but true and very real possibility!