GA - Rayshard Brooks, 27, fatally shot in Wendy’s car park, Atlanta, 12 Jun 2020 *officer charged*

[Curiosity1234]

Protesters with AR-15s turn up to Rayshard Brooks' memorial as sheriff says cops were 'justified' | Daily Mail Online

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Summary

• Brooks' family on Monday called on demonstrators to refrain from violence
• An autopsy found that Brooks, 27, was shot twice in the back late Friday by a white officer who was trying to arrest him after he was found drunk in his car
• Brooks tried to flee after wrestling with officers, grabbing a stun gun from one
• Images from the scene Tuesday show protesters at the scene with guns
• Brooks' killing rekindled protests following the death of George Floyd
• But one black Georgia sheriff has said the shooting was 'completely justified'
• 'There's nothing malicious or sadistic', sheriff Alfonzo Williams told CNN

Brooks' killing rekindled those protests following the death of Floyd on May 25. The Wendy's restaurant where Brooks was shot by Officer Garrett Rolfe was burned down over the weekend.

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A man armed with a rifle stands guard Tueaday at the memorial that has grown around the Wendy's restaurant that was set on fire after Rayshard Brooks was killed

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The fatal shooting of Brooks, a black man, by a white police officer in Atlanta has poured more fuel on the raging US debate over racism, prompting another round of street protests and the resignation of the southern city's police chief

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Protesters armed with AR-15s were pictured Tuesday at the burned down Wendy's where Rayshard Brooks shot Friday

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Protesters armed with AR-15s were pictured Tuesday at the burned down Wendy's where Rayshard Brooks shot Friday

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Brooks' death has sparked outrage but one black Georgia sheriff has said the shooting was 'completely justified'. Burke County, Ga. Sheriff Alfonzo Williams told CNN: 'There's nothing malicious or sadistic in the way these officers behaved'


Investigators say Brooks, 27, fought with Rolfe and another officer, Devin Brosnan, before taking one of their Tasers, fleeing, and pointing the stun gun at Rolfe as he ran away.

Rolfe was dismissed from the force Saturday after firing the fatal shots that killed Brooks. Brosnan, who didn't fire, has been placed on administrative leave pending an internal investigation. Police Chief Erika Shields resigned.

Sheriff Williams said Tuesday: 'It's very unfortunate that the law enforcement leaders in the state of Georgia have not come out and stood together on this case. I think it's political and it's senseless.

'We're sending the wrong message to our black youth. We're telling them that it's OK, that they can run from the police, that they can take a weapon from the police, they can fight with the police, and point their weapon at the police, and expect nothing to happen. That is the wrong message to send to black youth.'

Williams said the case was different to that of Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery which were 'very clear, outrageous violations of policy and law.'

'I'm saying that what happened in the Brooks case is completely justified, 100 percent', Williams added.

Hé (RB) not only turned and aimed it at the officer, he fired it.

 

[tresir2012]

Atlanta police officer fired after fatally shooting black man Rayshard Brooks

Atlanta Officer Who Shot Rayshard Brooks Had Multiple Prior Complaints

Rayshard Brooks video: Legal experts analyze key moments in shooting

TY for the links. From your third link.

"Nunn says that if criminal charges are pursued, they will likely be a form of criminal negligence, as Georgia does not have a charge of second or third-degree murder.

“I don’t think there’s going to be sufficient evidence from what we see to establish an intent to kill,” Nunn said. “I think that takes murder off of the table.”

Macfarlane said that a civil case will also be difficult if the family chooses to litigate.

“When you bring a civil rights action for an incident like this, you can argue that the Constitution was violated in different ways and you’re entitled to money damages. One of the claims here might be a violation of the 4th Amendment, you used force that was unreasonable, and we get that reasonable language from the 4th Amendment itself.”

A defense to the excessive use of force claim that that Macfarlane would expect to be used is that officers are allowed to make a reasonable mistake. She likens it to situations like the Diallo case where officers mistook a wallet for a gun.

If the officer is able to argue that he feared for his life, the life of others or feared serious bodily injury, then “made a split-second decision, we allow officers to make them and the result is what it is,” Macfarlane said.

“What I wish we would think about more as a country is everything that happened before, and every single choice those police officers had to walk away, to give him a ride home, to let him call all the people he was mentioning that live nearby,” Macfarlane said. “I think there’s room to start thinking about that legally, too.” "

 

[Curiosity1234]

Do you have any MSM/LE links that show the officer in that light? I.e. as a criminal and villain? I have just posted one that indicates he was justified so it would be good to have the opposing view too.

No, I can't provide an opposing view. I believe the officer was justified The police officer was fired without an investigation and is awaiting the DA's decision to prosecute or not prosecute and what the charges will be. It's been all over the news and social media.

 

[Rocky1]

If the perception is that cops are loose cannons shooting everyone in this country for no reason, let's keep it in perspective.
Only 1.4 percent of people that are killed by a gun are killed by a cop.

 

[tresir2012]

I’m still waiting to see any photos or videos of someone STARTING the fire. Telling me she was seen spraying an accelerant on the flames doesn’t tell me who STARTED the fire. I’m not saying it wasn’t her just that the articles aren’t making sense.

In another pic they have released in what looks like the gas station, they are describing her as carrying a bottle of water, and that is what it looks like, but in the video they say she is pouring accelerant on the fire but it looks like the same bottle. Also, there is no whoosh of flames when she has her arm holding the bottle inside the broken window, so it cannot be accelerant IMO. Maybe she poured her water on it?

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

If the perception is that cops are loose cannons shooting everyone in this country for no reason, let's keep it in perspective.
Only 1.4 percent of people that are killed by a gun are killed by a cop.

"Ending 'police brutality' is actually pretty simple. Just stop breaking the law, resisting arrest, and obey their orders."

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If the perception is that cops are loose cannons shooting everyone in this country for no reason, let's keep it in perspective.
Only 1.4 percent of people that are killed by a gun are killed by a cop.

That is the most stressing for me when events like this occur. So many push the myth it happens all the time when it is extremely rare.

Facts matter, and why they are totally ignored has always boggled my mind. Imo, the worst part the misinformation is done purposefully with the intentions to deceive.

Jmho

 

[tresir2012]

No, I can't provide an opposing view. I believe the officer was justified The police officer was fired without an investigation and is awaiting the DA's decision to prosecute or not prosecute and what the charges will be. It's been all over the news and social media.

I know the story has been all over the news and SM. You said this though -


"Many view him as the criminal. Really tragic. He's a hero when he's needed but a villain when there is even a hint of impropriety before an investigation is even launched."

I'm not asking for your view because you didn't say it was your opinion, so do you have links for this statement is what I am asking?

I believe the officer was justified too, but would like to see the justification for those with the views you mentioned.

 

[tresir2012]

At 3PM there will be an announcement if any charges will be filed against the police officer.
Rayshard Brooks: Decision on whether to charge Atlanta Police officer will come today - CNN

Two hours time. I think it will be justifiable homicide.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Do you have any MSM/LE links that show the officer in that light? I.e. as a criminal and villain? I have just posted one that indicates he was justified so it would be good to have the opposing view too.

No, I can't provide an opposing view. I believe the officer was justified The police officer was fired without an investigation and is awaiting the DA's decision to prosecute or not prosecute and what the charges will be. It's been all over the news and social media.

That is the most stressing for me when events like this occur. So many push the myth it happens all the time when it is extremely rare.

Facts matter, and why they are totally ignored has always boggled my mind. Imo, the worst part the misinformation is done purposefully with the intentions to deceive.

Jmho

This misinformation is dividing this country and causing some to use this division to burn property, loot, and do worse Are we going to continue down this road ? How out of control is it going to get before something is done to try rein it in ?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

"Ending 'police brutality' is actually pretty simple. Just stop breaking the law, resisting arrest, and obey their orders."

I'm over 60, and have broken the law many times in my life, well 4 that I can recall. (I was born in the 50's).

None were felonies... but back in the 80's and one in this millenium...

1) super speeder violation, (I was going 85 at 6 am to get to a plane)
2) driving without a current registration ( my mom had died, I had her car and forgot to register on her birthdate and was pulled over)
3) *potential* dui... Yep, this was in the 80's... I was guilty guilty guilty but LE did not see me in the car (as we know now, they have to see you in the car vs. taking someones word for it)
4) .. I can't recall others, yet I think I may have done one more??? speeding??

That said... 1&2, went to court and paid the fine. But I will say, that if ever during any of those times that someone had aggressively tried to restrain me.. I would have done a fight or flight.

I did notice the low key for over 35 minutes was WHOA... someone is grabbing and twisting... for some/me.. this would send me into frenzy and not thinking.

NOT blaming, just saying as to put myself there.

Due to previous stuff in my life.. to this day.. I will go crazy if anyone tries to pin me down or restrain me. I don't care if I know they are LE or not.. it.is.a.REFLEX.

I can say this on WS that I would go nutso and rebel and run for no reason.. other than it's a reflex for me. (I'm sure most of y'all can read into why I would go nutso if restrained that follow here without saying.....) And I think many/most here would believe me as a poster.

Yet in court, it's used but how do we know the truthtellers from those that know what to say for a defense.

And on the streets, how does LE know those that just have a sort of PTSD of being suddenly restrained?

And how can LE determine the difference in less than one second of their response time to protect themselves on the difference?

If you don't have this past, it may not make sense. I understand that.

I have no answers.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I'm over 60, and have broken the law many times in my life, well 4 that I can recall. (I was born in the 50's).

None were felonies... but back in the 80's and one in this millenium...

1) super speeder violation, (I was going 85 at 6 am to get to a plane)
2) driving without a current registration ( my mom had died, I had her car and forgot to register on her birthdate and was pulled over)
3) *potential* dui... Yep, this was in the 80's... I was guilty guilty guilty but LE did not see me in the car (as we know now, they have to see you in the car vs. taking someones word for it)
4) .. I can't recall others, yet I think I may have done one more??? speeding??

That said... 1&2, went to court and paid the fine. But I will say, that if ever during any of those times that someone had aggressively tried to restrain me.. I would have done a fight or flight.

I did notice the low key for over 35 minutes was WHOA... someone is grabbing and twisting... for some/me.. this would send me into frenzy and not thinking.

NOT blaming, just saying as to put myself there.

Due to previous stuff in my life.. to this day.. I will go crazy if anyone tries to pin me down or restrain me. I don't care if I know they are LE or not.. it.is.a.REFLEX.

I can say this on WS that I would go nutso and rebel and run for no reason.. other than it's a reflex for me. (I'm sure most of y'all can read into why I would go nutso if restrained that follow here without saying.....) And I think many/most here would believe me as a poster.

Yet in court, it's used but how do we know the truthtellers from those that know what to say for a defense.

I have no answers.

I appreciate your opinion and post, but I stand by my post.

 

[tresir2012]

No, I can't provide an opposing view. I believe the officer was justified The police officer was fired without an investigation and is awaiting the DA's decision to prosecute or not prosecute and what the charges will be. It's been all over the news and social media.

This misinformation is dividing this country and causing some to use this division to burn property, loot, and do worse Are we going to continue down this road ? How out of control is it going to get before something is done to try rein it in ?

I guess we will find out tonight, once the decision is in .

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Was the restaurant parking lot full of innocent people around 11 pm? He was on foot with at least 2 LE just yards away. Run into the night? We know at least one LE was capable of shooting to kill, so wouldn't that LE have done so before a potential hijacking? In the razor thin chance that he did hijack a car and if the 2 LE failed to shoot out the tires or shoot him through one of the windshields, depending on the direction he took off in, how long before SWAT and choppers showed up to take him down?

Trying to read a dead man's mind and mulling over what ifs aren't going to answer whether the LE used excessive force or not. The DA will announce soon whether charges will be laid. When compared to similar cases and under the current atmosphere, who knows what the LE will face.

2 men, former officers, address the topic so much better than I ever could.
Bernie Kerik, Dan Bongino react to shooting death of black man by Atlanta police

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I appreciate your opinion and post, but I stand by my post.

"Ending 'police brutality' is actually pretty simple. Just stop breaking the law, resisting arrest, and obey their orders."

Gotcha.... the justification listed is clear as to what opinion is. I appreciate showing clearly the opinion of your (MOO).................. Victims' fault, and folks can disagree on this point of victim fault.

I will disagree with what I think is towards your post of victim blaming MOO

Was just trying to give an insight as to why some are outside of law, might resist... and end in such tragedy.

SaguaroSpirit said: ↑
"Ending 'police brutality' is actually pretty simple. Just stop breaking the law, resisting arrest, and obey their orders."

 

[tresir2012]

That is the most stressing for me when events like this occur. So many push the myth it happens all the time when it is extremely rare.

Facts matter, and why they are totally ignored has always boggled my mind. Imo, the worst part the misinformation is done purposefully with the intentions to deceive.

Jmho

Deaths in custody are not just by gun though, as we know. Tasers, chokehold, restrained and died in the back of a police van, deaths in jail etc. I do wonder how much higher than 1.4% when all those deaths are added on.

 

[tresir2012]

I'm over 60, and have broken the law many times in my life, well 4 that I can recall. (I was born in the 50's).

None were felonies... but back in the 80's and one in this millenium...

1) super speeder violation, (I was going 85 at 6 am to get to a plane)
2) driving without a current registration ( my mom had died, I had her car and forgot to register on her birthdate and was pulled over)
3) *potential* dui... Yep, this was in the 80's... I was guilty guilty guilty but LE did not see me in the car (as we know now, they have to see you in the car vs. taking someones word for it)
4) .. I can't recall others, yet I think I may have done one more??? speeding??

That said... 1&2, went to court and paid the fine. But I will say, that if ever during any of those times that someone had aggressively tried to restrain me.. I would have done a fight or flight.

I did notice the low key for over 35 minutes was WHOA... someone is grabbing and twisting... for some/me.. this would send me into frenzy and not thinking.

NOT blaming, just saying as to put myself there.

Due to previous stuff in my life.. to this day.. I will go crazy if anyone tries to pin me down or restrain me. I don't care if I know they are LE or not.. it.is.a.REFLEX.

I can say this on WS that I would go nutso and rebel and run for no reason.. other than it's a reflex for me. (I'm sure most of y'all can read into why I would go nutso if restrained that follow here without saying.....) And I think many/most here would believe me as a poster.

Yet in court, it's used but how do we know the truthtellers from those that know what to say for a defense.

And on the streets, how does LE know those that just have a sort of PTSD of being suddenly restrained?

And how can LE determine the difference in less than one second of their response time to protect themselves on the difference?

If you don't have this past, it may not make sense. I understand that.

I have no answers.

Fear of arrest or restraint is real. But then so are unapparent health conditions and/or mental health conditions. Officers have to approach all situations not knowing the exact situations and have to assess it. There is no one size fits all. Although I have had speeding convictions from automatic cams I have only ever been stopped twice by cops in 40 years, both no further action.

 

[tresir2012]

Gotcha.... the justification listed is clear as to what opinion is. I appreciate showing clearly the opinion of your (MOO).................. Victims' fault, and folks can disagree on this point of victim fault.

I will disagree with what I think is towards your post of victim blaming MOO

Was just trying to give an insight as to why some are outside of law, might resist... and end in such tragedy.

SaguaroSpirit said: ↑
"Ending 'police brutality' is actually pretty simple. Just stop breaking the law, resisting arrest, and obey their orders."

So criminals are victims only if the arrest goes bad?

 

[Curiosity1234]

That is the most stressing for me when events like this occur. So many push the myth it happens all the time when it is extremely rare.

Facts matter, and why they are totally ignored has always boggled my mind. Imo, the worst part the misinformation is done purposefully with the intentions to deceive.

Jmho

Dragnet: Just give me the facts Mame. I'll take the facts over someone's opinion or someone's truth. You can't dispute the facts.

 

[SugarQueen]

Frankly at this point I feel the officer is the victim. At the very least he is also a victim.
I am desperately hoping they do NOT file charges. Brooks took this simple DUI/DWI to a level it didn’t need to go to.