GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #1

[princesspjs]

I heard that Cooper's mom was supposed to pick the baby up from the day care because she works part-time. Did that plan change on this day? I wonder why she didn't call when she found that he wasn't there.

Since Harris headed straight home it doesn't seem like he was supposed to pick the baby up that day...unless he forgot. Who was supposed to pick Cooper up that day Harris or the mother?

Also, I would think that if Cooper died by 10 or 11 am that his hair and sweat would have dried by the time Harris was off work and in the shopping center.

On another note, I have a 4 door Elantra and have a car seat that I keep in there for my grand. I put her forward facing in the middle of the back seat. I cannot see her in my rear view unless I point it only on her. I can't even do half rear window and half her -- it's one or the other.

When I get in and out of my car I don't notice/see/pay attention to the car seat or what is in it. There have been times (twice) that I am driving along minding my own business and all of a sudden I hear "Grammy!" and it scared the crap out of me because I forgot she was there. Seriously. :facepalm:

 

[JeannaT]

I heard that Cooper's mom was supposed to pick the baby up from the day care because she works part-time. Did that plan change on this day? I wonder why she didn't call when she found that he wasn't there.

Since Harris headed straight home it doesn't seem like he was supposed to pick the baby up that day...unless he forgot. Who was supposed to pick Cooper up that day Harris or the mother?

Also, I would think that if Cooper died by 10 or 11 am that his hair and sweat would have dried by the time Harris was off work and in the shopping center.

On another note, I have a 4 door Elantra and have a car seat that I keep in there for my grand. I put her forward facing in the middle of the back seat. I cannot see her in my rear view unless I point it only on her. I can't even do half rear window and half her -- it's one or the other.

When I get in and out of my car I don't notice/see/pay attention to the car seat or what is in it. There have been times (twice) that I am driving along minding my own business and all of a sudden I hear "Grammy!" and it scared the crap out of me because I forgot she was there. Seriously. :facepalm:

This is a total aside from the new topic of this thread, but if this has literally happened to you twice that you've forgotten the baby was in the backseat, it sounds like you're at risk for leaving her. If you reached your destination during one of those stretches of time when you didn't know she was in the car, and she sat silently waiting for you to come around and get her out, you could lose her. I don't know what strategy you want to use to make sure you don't end up parking while you don't remember you have her, but I wouldn't put her in the car again without doing something that is infallible.

 

[*LD*]

it would be really cool if you could twitter link here....it is allowed

Check out @reporterpete on Twitter. I'm seeing some interesting info from him.

His last tweet says

Pete Combs @Reporterpete · 22m
New warrant says Justin Ross Harris got something out of his car at noon, failing to help his child. Cooper died in the hot SUV. @wsbradio

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Check out @reporterpete on Twitter. I'm seeing some interesting info from him.

His last tweet says

But if he thought he dropped his child off at daycare, is it possible that he only saw the seat, and assumed Cooper wasn't in it, if it was rear-facing?

 

[JeannaT]

Check out @reporterpete on Twitter. I'm seeing some interesting info from him.

His last tweet says

That's what I thought the evidence was going to be.

Doesn't mean he STILL didn't see him - and dear little Cooper was probably deceased by that time so he wouldn't be moving or making noise.

I'm waiting for evidence that he KNEW that child was there - not that he had a CHANCE to know the child was there.

 

[*LD*]

That's what I thought the evidence was going to be.

Doesn't mean he STILL didn't see him - and dear little Cooper was probably deceased by that time so he wouldn't be moving or making noise.

Maybe there is a reaction or Ross in the back of the SUV where he had to see the child. I assume the press conf. today will clear up many of our questions regarding the evidence.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

NANCY GRACE

Was Hot Car Tot Murdered by Dad?

Aired June 24, 2014 - 20:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1406/24/ng.01.html

 

[JeannaT]

Maybe there is a reaction or Ross in the back of the SUV where he had to see the child. Not sure how he could avoid the smell that many have said would be in the car. I assume the press conf. today will clear up many of our questions regarding the evidence.

I'm not quite sure why everyone is convinced there would be a smell. In fact, it's not a given that when a child dies he loses bowel control. Googling emergency room information I've seen ER workers say it's not a given at all.

Also, a small child's body wouldn't start to smell in this little amount of time. It's unlikely the car smelled like anything at all when he got in at 4.

 

[Sunshine95]

Sorry,I missed the smell discussion. Could someone fill me in? When does a smell begin? Thanks

 

[JeannaT]

Sunshine, there was a discussion yesterday afternoon in this thread that a body immediately evacuates the bowels and then would also smell dead, so when Ross got in the car he would have noticed an overwhelming odor.

That's just not true, in most cases, especially cases of small, clean otherwise healthy children who died suddenly.

 

[Melanie]

I had my son in daycare around that age. Isn't it customary for someone to check in with a parent if the child does not arrive? I know some schools do, but I always called day care if he was sick, or not coming in. Does anyone care anymore?

You know - it takes a village and all that. I also wonder how no one saw the child in the parking lot for 7 hours....then noticed the tinted windows. Windows that dark are illegal here in Southern California.

MOO

Mel

 

[Leilei]

Warrant is out - http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/warrant-father-who-left-child-hot-car-checked-vehi/ngR9s/

He took Cooper to ChikFilA before going to work, and checked the car at lunchtime, according to the warrant...

 

[blue22]

Sunshine, there was a discussion yesterday afternoon in this thread that a body immediately evacuates the bowels and then would also smell dead, so when Ross got in the car he would have noticed an overwhelming odor.

That's just not true, in most cases, especially cases of small, clean otherwise healthy children who died suddenly.

It was 91 by noon. Even in the 70's the car would be over 100 inside. By the end of the day, the child would have been dead for most of it the extreme heat. While he might have died suddenly, he had been dead nearly all day. I don't buy it that there wasn't smell.

 

[murphy3k]

WSB just updated their site with a link to the latest criminal warrant.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2014/06/25/Justin_Harris_14w5669-2.pdf

 

[eileenhawkeye]

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2014/06/25/Justin_Harris_14w5669-2.pdf

Warrant

 

[blue22]

Warrant is out - http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/warrant-father-who-left-child-hot-car-checked-vehi/ngR9s/

He took Cooper to ChikFilA before going to work, and checked the car at lunchtime, according to the warrant...

He wants police to believe he FORGOT about his child in that short distance after having eaten breakfast with him just minutes before? Nope, I'm sorry. I don't believe his brain "convinces him" he dropped him off at daycare then. Not at all.

ETA: I wonder if they will release the warrants of what they were looking for in the office. I also read that they did 2 search warrants on his home. I knew this particular warrant would have little. I am interested in the other warrants, that would contain the actual evidence they are looking for!

 

[JeannaT]

Warrant is out - http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/warrant-father-who-left-child-hot-car-checked-vehi/ngR9s/

He took Cooper to ChikFilA before going to work, and checked the car at lunchtime, according to the warrant...

So the child was in a rear facing seat in the center of the backseat, and Ross accessed the drivers side door and opened it and accessed the drivers seat.

I think you'd have a hard time convincing a jury - especially with filmed re-enactment that he could possibly see Cooper was back there.

If this is all they have, they have nothing that says he purposely left this child in the car.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The warrant sounds like Cooper died in the hot car:

"...for approx. 7 hrs which resulted in the death of the juvenile"

 

[Irisha]

Warrant is out - http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/warrant-father-who-left-child-hot-car-checked-vehi/ngR9s/

He took Cooper to ChikFilA before going to work, and checked the car at lunchtime, according to the warrant...

I wonder if he ordered food for little Cooper?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

So the child was in a rear facing seat in the center of the backseat, and Ross accessed the drivers side door and opened it and accessed the drivers seat.

I think you'd have a hard time convincing a jury - especially with filmed re-enactment that he could possibly see Cooper was back there.

If this is all they have, they have nothing that says he purposely left this child in the car.

Also, what would be the motive for wanting to get rid of his son?