GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #11

[RainCheck]

i agree with whoever said put his butt in the car and make him back up.

Yeah, I'd like to see him do that between two other cars with out looking back behind him, directly at the carseat in the middle!

 

[MeeBee]

"A lot of you know how much I prayed for a child and how much I worried about never being able to have a child," Leanna Harris said, adding that it happened in God's time."

"I should be crumpled into a heap of snot and tears into the dirt, but the Lord is holding me up right now."

"Am I angry with God? No. This is part of His plan for Ross and I."

These are all completely religious statements, and I don't see how anyone could seriously suggest otherwise.

You're right I never saw or read her entire speech. And yes, it does seem like someone trying to play the part of good Christian while also using it as an excuse for her sociopathic lack of emotion.

 

[Kensie]

My former good Christian neighbor, a deacon with 6 kids was arrested for sexual assault a few years ago.
You just don't ever really know.

 

[newone]

I can...sort of playing devil's advocate. I've noted that he seems to have a tendency to 'say too much', over-explain, embellish and maybe he has a short fuse when his judgment or veracity is questioned. This would be a trait of his she would be familiar with. We know from the cops he said stuff like he would lose his job, why was he being punished and he'd be a felon so in that context it would make sense to me that she'd be anxious he said too much. IE not so much as a consciousness of guilt but maybe an awareness that his tendency to run his mouth had gotten him in trouble before.

thank you! blithering or blathering....and his overtalking about how wonderful being a soccer dad even annoyed his buddies ((on the stand it was noted during the hearing.....)) he could be one of those TMI kind of guys who just loves to talk --- boorish

she may be used to his annoying habit of overdoing/self indulging but realizes it's a flaw

 

[PigPong]

I was not making any connection to what they saw with their lack of sympathy.

Sorry, you said, "Does a witness have to testify, if they don't want to? They might not be so sympathetic, after all."

I didn't know how else to read that... we're you trying to imply they'd be unsympathetic because they didn't want to testify?

 

[JLSChook]

Dr. Drew @DrDrewHLN · 3h
We are talking exclusively to a former classmate of Leanna Harris -- Tonight 9p ET HLN. #HotCarDeath

Dr. Drew @DrDrewHLN · 2m
Do you think Leanna Harris knew about her husband's sexting? #HotCarDeath

Dr. Drew @DrDrewHLN · 19s
Is Leanna Harris the puppet master? #HotCarDeath

https://twitter.com/DrDrewHLN/with_replies

I don't get HLN, does anyone watch Dr. Drew?

 

[vulture]

This is an excellent point. If his hearing loss were truly debilitating then he would/should have all sorts of accommodations, adaptations and strategies in place to compensate for this disability, in ALL aspects of his life, parenting included.

And he wouldn't be in a musical group in his church, would he? I don't know. One of my bosses has some hearing impairment but it's not enough for anyone to notice. He's in the musical group at his church and plays guitar. I think the only reason I even know about it is that he mentioned he has a hearing aid. I can't see it or tell by the way he acts that anything is unusual.

 

[ahintexas]

It must have changed or they just teach it different but I took driver's Ed four years ago (I was 21) and was taught you are to put your hand on the passenger's seat and turn and look behind you while backing out. They said don't just use your mirror, it's too dangerous. My husband also told me this while teaching me and he learned to drive a long time ago.

It's prob different every where? Now, with that being said, I turn and look to back up. I have tried to just use mirrors, and I can't do it. Ha!

 

[Kensie]

To me talk is cheap.

 

[MsMarple]

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...eanna-harris-visits-husband-in-jail/12351139/

Leanna Harris was inside the visitation center for 36 minutes. That is consistent with the amount of time it might take to register, be fingerprinted and photographed as per jail policy, and then meet with her husband for the maximum time of 30 minutes. While walking back to her car, she kept her head down and did not answer reporter questions. The woman with her also declined comment. While the car started driving away, Leanna placed her head in her hands, seemingly upset.

Did she or didn't she talk with RH? So far I don't think anyone, including msm has the answer.

 

[Zoobie]

Sorry if it's been said, having trouble keeping up, but: what I thought of when LE talked about the seat and straps being in the lowest position and the talk here of that being way too small is there is additionally NO WAY Cooper was asleep--he would be much, much too uncomfortable to fall asleep in those few minutes.
I remember when my boy was a newborn and I was getting him ready and wanted to put him in a onesie that someone gave him who was coming over, you know how you do. Well, he was a big baby at 9 lbs 12 ounces and 23 1/2 inches long and I thought he fit, but just barely in the onesie. I got downstairs with him and he was crying and fussing and I was wondering to my husband what was wrong. He took one look and said "put something else on him you're squishing his nuts in that!":blushing: (my son is about to turn 24 in Nov so it's been awhile)
Anyway, that's a funny story for us now, but I thought when I read where JRH said he "strapped him down nice and tight" that I just couldn't see how with that too small for Cooper seat that he could say he went to sleep. There's just no way. He would be fussing and probably crying for Daddy to fix it.:banghead:

 

[newone]

Well, I have to really work at this one, but I have a habit of being kind of snarky to my husband sometimes and I can imagine her thinking he was whining and making this all about *him* when she knew it should be about their son. Perhaps he is commonly overly dramatic or verbose and she was trying to say so in a snarky sort of way. If she really didn't think he did it on purpose, perhaps she was basically telling him to STFU - thinking that it would be resolved soon for RH.

(Taking cover for the inevitable bombing run coming my way... )

watch out --- throwing thanks your way -- it's too easy to assume she's a meek little mouse -- for all we know she could be seething inside and as you point out it is her way to 'deal' with him with her calm ''icy'' (in some people's estimation of her) because he's such a hot head....yin and yang required. Only one person can be hysterical at a time kind of thing...telling him to sit down is exactly what you do with a kid when they are upset....Maybe she was too angry to see her son right away and just wanted to see JRH to find out WTF happened. I would love to see the video so that I could get a better sense but hey who wouldn't like to see that video. I believe it would sure clear things up...

I wonder if he bites his nails too...he looks like an overly self indulgent immature piece of work to me (MOO)
oh yes whining and poor me all the time too.....(MOO))


x

 

[song22]

I really wonder if that statement about saying too much could have come from the policeman brother. My friends that are police are often the first to caution family and friends about not volunteering stuff, since they are well aware how the questioning process goes. Is there some chance LH contacted him before the visit and he gave her a message to pass on? At that point everyone was so convinced the police were railroading him.

Honestly I am still very on the fence with her and waiting to hear more. Something is very off with her, but I guess I am having such a hard time with the idea of the two being in it together. I have no doubts about his involvement at this point.

I have felt like RH was guilty from the beginning and also suspect LH's involvement, but playing Devil's advocate and thinking about context, I wonder about this statement "Did you say too much?" It sounds bad, really bad. But, if she truly believed this was an accident, than it would be smart to advise RH "not to say too much".

Our family just had a terrible experience of having our son falsely accused of a crime. You'll just have to trust me that it was indeed a false accusation. But there was a series of coincidences that briefly made things look pretty bad for my son. Our first inclination was to just talk to the police, thinking that the truth would prevail and the whole mess would get sorted out. But we had also read online that you should never, ever talk to police if you have been falsely accused of something. We felt very confused, because on TV and often on Websleuths, I know that when someone "lawyers up" they look guilty. But I was reading that in real life you should always lawyer up and zip it--even if you are totally and completely innocent. So, in the end we told the police that our son would not be talking to them. In the end it became very clear that the accusations were false and the DA declined to press charges.

So, I have a new perspective about not talking to the police. But having said that, in this case we are talking about a very extreme situation of the possible murder of a child. In light of that, I can't understand the lack of emotion in what LH said to her husband. Was this the first time seeing him right after being informed that her child was dead? Who would be that lucid and reasonable to be thinking about such things? I just don't get that--I mean I would be screaming, "What happened? What did you do?" and beating him with my fists. Yeah, yeah I know people grieve differently--but I don't believe asking "Well, did you say too much?" fits into the range of normal. I just can't wrap my mind around it. I need context.

But I still believe Rh is guilty based on the very short drive, close proximity to child in car seat, this being RH's normal routine, and the smell in the car. All the other stuff is just curious and bizarre extras for me.

 

[Nore]

What's even odder - NG led off with "LH denied visit", then has spent 10 minutes discussing the fact they had a videoconference visit. And that's one reason I'm not a fan of NG.

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I watched NG. also. Did you listen to the Dr. speaking? he mentioned different things and one was drugs.
He did NOT say CP. was drugged. It was to the effect that if drugs were used it would show up in the Toxicology
report. I paid attention as I have wondered if JH. gave him something to make him fall asleep. Now I have no basis
for this . It is merely a thought . The car was in the parking lot right? wouldn't someone possibly have heard the
child crying. The windows on the car are blackened so it would have been hard to see, but to hear, kids can be
very loud at times. Would have been possible to slip something in his food or milk at Chikafila. again I have nothing
to base this on. This is a gut feeling I have. Toxicology will tell but that comes later. :seeya: .

 

[Bernina]

It's only Part one of the Preliminary Hearing, but "Method, Motive, Opportunity". It's worth watching if you haven't done so. May help clear up some of the questions about what peeps are posting:

[video=youtube;I9u--A2TwZg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9u--A2TwZg[/video]

 

[tlcya]

Welcome out of lurkdom Zoobie! Exactly my thought. If strapped in as described, at the much lower setting, even with straps extended, he would still be horribly uncomfortable. I wasn't thinking specifically that discomfort, but yes, I could see that along with shoulders all crunched forward and knees up because of the back of the car's seat.

Glad you shared your thoughts. Hope you will some more.

 

[SStarr33]

I have felt like RH was guilty from the beginning and also suspect LH's involvement, but playing Devil's advocate and thinking about context, I wonder about this statement "Did you say too much?" It sounds bad, really bad. But, if she truly believed this was an accident, than it would be smart to advise RH "not to say too much".

Our family just had a terrible experience of having our son falsely accused of a crime. You'll just have to trust me that it was indeed a false accusation. But there was a series of coincidences that briefly made things look pretty bad for my son. Our first inclination was to just talk to the police, thinking that the truth would prevail and the whole mess would get sorted out. But we had also read online that you should never, ever talk to police if you have been falsely accused of something. We felt very confused, because on TV and often on Websleuths, I know that when someone "lawyers up" they look guilty. But I was reading that in real life you should always lawyer up and zip it--even if you are totally and completely innocent. So, in the end we told the police that our son would not be talking to them. In the end it became very clear that the accusations were false and the DA declined to press charges.

So, I have a new perspective about not talking to the police. But having said that, in this case we are talking about a very extreme situation of the possible murder of a child. In light of that, I can't understand the lack of emotion in what LH said to her husband. Was this the first time seeing him right after being informed that her child was dead? Who would be that lucid and reasonable to be thinking about such things? I just don't get that--I mean I would be screaming, "What happened? What did you do?" and beating him with my fists. Yeah, yeah I know people grieve differently--but I don't believe asking "Well, did you say too much?" fits into the range of normal. I just can't wrap my mind around it. I need context.

But I still believe Rh is guilty based on the very short drive, close proximity to child in car seat, this being RH's normal routine, and the smell in the car. All the other stuff is just curious and bizarre extras for me.

Good move not listening to the WSler's about talking to police. It is always a bad idea. RH might have had a few days free except for running his mouth.

 

[SStarr33]

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I watched NG. also. Did you listen to the Dr. speaking? he mentioned different things and one was drugs.
He did NOT say CP. was drugged. It was to the effect that if drugs were used it would show up in the Toxicology
report. I paid attention as I have wondered if JH. gave him something to make him fall asleep. Now I have no basis
for this . It is merely a thought . The car was in the parking lot right? wouldn't someone possibly have heard the
child crying. The windows on the car are blackened so it would have been hard to see, but to hear, kids can be
very loud at times. Would have been possible to slip something in his food or milk at Chikafila. again I have nothing
to base this on. This is a gut feeling I have. Toxicology will tell but that comes later. :seeya: .

His tox report was clean. It came out today. See media thread.

 

[JLSChook]

Dr. Drew @DrDrewHLN · 6m
"She was not always an emotional person." -- John Pearson, former classmate of Leanna Harris #HotCarDeath

Dr. Drew @DrDrewHLN · 2m
"I think its more than just a horrible tragedy." -- John Pearson, former classmate of Leanna Harris #HotCarDeath

Dr. Drew @DrDrewHLN · 1m
"As a father, I don't see how someone could forget their child in a car." -- John Pearson, former classmate of Leanna Harris #HotCarDeath

https://twitter.com/DrDrewHLN/with_replies

 

[LinasK]

Well....we only have to look at the record of the Catholic Church to challenge this. (I was raised Catholic) and Catholicism is "Main stream", whatever that means. Just because someone appears Pious, is religious, and active in their church, temple, synagogue, mosque, or ward does not by any means mean that they do not commit horrific acts. It happens all of the time. I am never blinded by someone's religious beliefs or practices. no matter what their religion is.... It does not make them a better person than anyone else in my eyes, or somehow incapable of murder and inflicting pain on others. It does not make them any less suspect than anyone else when it comes to murder, rape, molestation, or any other darkness.

If fact sometimes, they are able to hide behind it because people do not want to believe them capable of heinous things. The fact is they are just as capable as any "non religious" person, Main Stream religion or not.

I agree that the Harris's are hiding behind their religion. For another example- see Mary Winkler.