GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #13

[KristinSchmistin]

Right, it will be interesting to see if it can be proven that she did do them herself, what words were chosen during the searches (were hers looking for prevention VS his looking for a recipe), or did she search at all -- iow, did she attempt to fall on a sword for him?

Another interesting thing -- that VERY first interview that's been mentioned before (does anyone have that link?) with LH in which she took FULL responsibility... paraphrasing here -- she was saying something along that lines of it being all HER fault, that it was HER memory that failed, etc... How does that make any kind of sense knowing what we do now about the timeline and after the PCH?

Maybe she was blaming herself for letting him take cooper? Maybe he had made threats to her during a fight? Maybe she is just feeling a massive amount of guilt bc she couldn't have somehow prevented this tragedy?

"Mom guilt" is hardcore, you always want to be doing the absolute best for our kids and when they get hurt or god forbid worse? You always kick yourself for not being able to protect them even if there was no possible way to actually do that.


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[MsMarple]

This is pure speculation on my part as to potential defense experts that may testify if this case goes to trial.

Dr. David Diamond is a neuroscientist who specializes in memory functioning. He was an expert witness in Lyn Balfour's trial. His CV is impressive and based on articles I've read where he's quoted he has a knack for translating a complex subject into ordinary language.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't show up at this trial.

http://psychology.usf.edu/faculty/data/ddiamond_cv.pdf - take a look starting on page 9.

Other possible experts might be called on to testify about RH in terms of depression or sex addiction due to testosterone therapy and of course his hearing impairment.

Hopefully the CCTV footage, along with a mockup of Cooper in that tiny carseat and how easy it was to see him each time RH turned his head to back up or change lanes will make it painfully clear to a jury that this was no accident. It's a gruesome thought but it's too bad the jury won't have a chance to stick their heads inside the actual SUV – odors like that never go away.

I agree that RH's finances will come into play. FF miles notwithstanding, often times a person will max out charge cards before filing for bankruptcy and if RH's spending habits show a sudden and dramatic change it could be seen as an act of financial desperation. He was passed up for promotion at HD and may have suspected he wasn't going to employed much longer.

On top of it he didn't land the job at Chick Fila that he applied for. That 27K in insurance may not seem like much to some of us but who knows what it meant to RH. And, as evidenced by the immediate fundraising for the Harris' it's not out of the question that he was aware of how generous church and community can be in times of sorrow.

If the prosecution has enough hard evidence, and I think they do, then a jury may see all those questionable statements made by RH in a very sinister light. Throw in the Internet searches, visits to the childfree reddit and that “premonition” dream and his defense will add up to an epic fail.

Again, speculation and my own personal opinion.

 

[EvilSoup]

I think here in the states it's lavender. I use it in incense and a spray, and you can get it in drops to place on things... a dot on a light bulb ( BEFORE you turn it on) a drop on your pillow to sleep at night. I also use Freebrez (?) in lavender and it really does work.



other than that..TGFM.


OH or ps and not to your post but to the bama bangs ......I see a grown man trying to look like a teenage Justin Beiber ..... a way to pick up underage girls?

Except for it is an epic fail. [modsnip]

BTW, I am almost middle-aged so I mean no disrespect to my middle-aged sisters. [modsnip] But not in a pretty way.

 

[jmcgladr]

Except for it is an epic fail. Instead he looks like a frumpy middle aged woman. Slap a wind suit on him and voila!

BTW, I am almost middle-aged so I mean no disrespect to my middle-aged sisters. But seriously, can't you just see him in a wind suit at the Safeway with a coupon organizer? He looks very feminine to me. But not in a pretty way.

THANK YOU for adding some levity to the conversation! :laughing:

 

[RainCheck]

For some science on things like "psychopathic hair" (lol), check this out (if the topic interests you): http://www.academia.edu/2039870/Por...stations_of_narcissism_in_physical_appearance


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I find this science flawed since the observers in the study and all studies of their kind are actually psychology students. A psychology student has a very different awareness of personality disorders than the average citizen who pays no mind to it. It would be nice to see one of these studies done with people not associated with the study of psychology. Also, appearance is much more than clothing or hair. Appearance encompasses your face and body language. Does someone have laugh lines or frown lines etched in their face? Do they look tired? Do they smile? Are they slouching or standing with chest pushed out? Do they look into the camera or gaze away? There are so many other appearance traits that can tell you a great deal about a person other than the way their hair or clothing style looks. This study delves into that a bit more http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~johnlab/pdfs/Naumann_etal2009.pdf

 

[LinasK]

Right, it will be interesting to see if it can be proven that she did do them herself, what words were chosen during the searches (were hers looking for prevention VS his looking for a recipe), or did she search at all -- iow, did she attempt to fall on a sword for him?

Another interesting thing -- that VERY first interview that's been mentioned before (does anyone have that link?) with LH in which she took FULL responsibility... paraphrasing here -- she was saying something along that lines of it being all HER fault, that it was HER memory that failed, etc... How does that make any kind of sense knowing what we do now about the timeline and after the PCH?

BBM. It falls in line with falling on her sword for him, pulling a Cindy Anthony. There's no way Cindy Anthony performed searches for "Chlorophyll". It was a cover.

 

[popsicle]

This is pure speculation on my part as to potential defense experts that may testify if this case goes to trial.

Dr. David Diamond is a neuroscientist who specializes in memory functioning. He was an expert witness in Lyn Balfour's trial. His CV is impressive and based on articles I've read where he's quoted he has a knack for translating a complex subject into ordinary language.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't show up at this trial.

http://psychology.usf.edu/faculty/data/ddiamond_cv.pdf - take a look starting on page 9.

Other possible experts might be called on to testify about RH in terms of depression or sex addiction due to testosterone therapy and of course his hearing impairment.

Hopefully the CCTV footage, along with a mockup of Cooper in that tiny carseat and how easy it was to see him each time RH turned his head to back up or change lanes will make it painfully clear to a jury that this was no accident. It's a gruesome thought but it's too bad the jury won't have a chance to stick their heads inside the actual SUV – odors like that never go away.

I agree that RH's finances will come into play. FF miles notwithstanding, often times a person will max out charge cards before filing for bankruptcy and if RH's spending habits show a sudden and dramatic change it could be seen as an act of financial desperation. He was passed up for promotion at HD and may have suspected he wasn't going to employed much longer.

On top of it he didn't land the job at Chick Fila that he applied for. That 27K in insurance may not seem like much to some of us but who knows what it meant to RH. And, as evidenced by the immediate fundraising for the Harris' it's not out of the question that he was aware of how generous church and community can be in times of sorrow.

If the prosecution has enough hard evidence, and I think they do, then a jury may see all those questionable statements made by RH in a very sinister light. Throw in the Internet searches, visits to the childfree reddit and that “premonition” dream and his defense will add up to an epic fail.

Again, speculation and my own personal opinion.

jmo One of the biggest things working against RH's defense is his situation does not fit the characteristics of other cases where parents have forgotten their children.

 

[who knew?]

I think there is a full moon hangover going on or something, it's been particularly "tense" in this thread for the past 12 hours.

In any event, I have a question.

LE says Ross made a 6 minute phone call from the scene to Home Depot and that the call eventually reached Toddler Room #5. It just dawned on me that this is kind of crazy.

Ross "discovered" Cooper in the restaurant parking lot at about 4:30 right? Very shortly thereafter he makes the a few unsuccessful calls to Leanne and then the six minute call.

Leanne shows up at daycare to pick up Cooper at 4:50, about 20 minutes later. The staff at Little Apron did not know that Cooper was dead at that point, just that he did not get dropped off at daycare that day. Leanne is adamant that Ross left Cooper in the car leaving the staff confused.

Do you see how that is strange? If the 6 minute call from his cell phone (which he lied to LE about) reached Home Depot and then eventually was transferred to Toddler Room #5 who did he talk too?

Unless he was on hold and in transfer for an entire 6 minutes which I find doubtful. And the call was not "dropped" as LE said it did eventually reach Toddler Room #5.

I find that really interesting and wonder what it will amount too.

That is a point I've wondered about since we heard it. I assumed it was a "girlfriend"; that doesn't really make sense although it would explain why whoever it was didn't say anything about it to LH.

This is the part of the story that LE seems to be holding back on. There is a big gap starting with LH arriving at daycare, and her arriving at the PD. I'm sure LE knows exactly what happened minute by minute, but nothing of substance has come out. I want to know ALL of it. I just feel like there is something missing...

 

[LittleRose]

I think it means something. I really do. I am trying to find a full transcript of the hearing so I can re-read the part when LE testifies that the call was to Home Depot (probably a receptionist) and eventually went through to Toddler Room 5. I want to re read it because I do think there is going to be something to that, I just don't know what. The timing of it is so weird, especially if it happened before 4:50 when Leanne got there. Which I think it did. Didn't he leave Cooper on the ground and immediately begin making phone calls? And HE LIED about calling Home Depot. Why?

I agree. There's something to it- IMO. It was thrown out there (almost like a teaser) at the PC hearing. You know the first question defense counsel asked RH was, "Who was the 6 minute phone call to?" My guess- a love interest who didn't want kids...just like the love interest in the Susan Smith case.


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[EvilSoup]

BBM

If what I stated is taken in context, it is very clear that I was limiting it to that because I was speaking too diagnosing a woman with a disorder based on her "flashy appearance" and her perceived provocative and sexual mannerisms. The very basis of Histrionic Disorder absolutely rings of " shaming", which is why men are more likely to be diagnosed with NPD and ASPD and women BPD (unstable)and HPD.(overtly "sexual" attention seeking flashy appearance).

Ross cared about his appearance, his was obsessive about his hair. I think a friend (Ben) said he couldn't have a "hair out of place" and had always been that way. As the O/P mentioned her psychiatrist friend had a term for it, "psychopathic hair". In Ross' case, I think it has more to do with possibly being ASPD, as they are experts at maintaining their "image" to others, charismatically and outward appearance. Narcissists don't "use their appearance" to get attention, they are just shallow by nature of their disorder, and usually shallow about everything...not just hair. And they lack empathy and exploit others. I think Ross has both ASPD and NPD.

As far as the appearance of other women, virgins or not, I just personally am against judging any of them in a negative way whether they preen, tan, or wear a lot of makeup I equally do not like to judge if they have more understated and conservative appearances. That is their choice either way. But to diagnose any woman based on her jewelery, clothing, and or sexual "mannerisms" is holding her to an outdated puritan standard, and is just ridiculously sexist to me and to a lot of others. I also think there is nothing wrong with a man that is "metrosexual" or gets manis or pedis or cares about his clothing. I'm not into rigid gender roles as they are social construct and are used against people all of the time if they are not rank and file what society expects their "gender" to behave or be. Which brings me right back to diagnosing a woman for being "histrionic" "dramatic", "Flashy" or "overtly sexual" There is a patriarchal and archaic attitude in the diagnosis itself. It's a label.

And you are right, every one's level of maintaining appearance and grooming is unique to the individual and different. I think RH was just very arrogant and lacked a conscience. The amount of women he was "sexting" and meeting up with was to feed his giant, overinflated ego. :moo:

Exactly!

I also think there is a difference in people who just enjoy nice clothes, salon hair and makeup or spa facials, etc. and people who feel a sense of panic or distress should they be seen without their full "look". Those people are insecure and feel like they NEED those things to have any value.

I guess it isn't so much the polished appearance, but the reasons behind it. I adore having my hair and nails done and love trying out new cosmetics. I get excited about dressing up for a night out with my husband. But I don't "need" those things and I dress down with no makeup and ponytail most of the time.

I feel badly for people who don't realize they are beautiful because of who they are, not what they look like. This does not include JRH, who is icky. Inside and out. :snooty:

 

[PigPong]

Iirc she claimed she made the searches.
Perhaps times and schedules will also nail that down.


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Duh, my brain is fried. Drove wife and kids to Daytona Friday/Saturday, drove home yesterday. Got in at 11pm. Got up at 5am for work.

Thanks guys!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Speaking about the 6-minute phone call to the day care and the gap in time with day care and LH. Wasn't someone from the day care supposed to be a witness at the probable cause hearing but had a medical emergency and didn't testify?

Maybe that's why we haven't heard all there is about that phone call.

 

[Sonya610]

I think what we were saying was that there was nothing wrong with a male being a "metrosexual" and caring about their appearance and getting manis and pedis even if they are labeled and shamed for not being "manly" enough. That metrosexual is even a term used to describe a male that practices those things speaks to rigid gender roles and patriarchy.

Metrosexual usually involves more than just their appearance. The metro sexual men I have known make ME feel like a man compared to them. Sadly from my experience many can't fix a darn thing around the house, they can't change a flat tire, they know nothing about firearms, basically they leave me with the feeling that if there is a PROBLEM they sure as heck won't be able to take care of it.

I am sure there ARE exceptions, but as I said "metro-sexual" often involves way more than just their looks.

If I have to "man up" in any type of crisis because THEY aren't capable then what good are they to me? No good at all. Yes that is sexist, darn right it is.

 

[PigPong]

Iirc she claimed she made the searches.
Perhaps times and schedules will also nail that down.


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And, this is why you don't talk to LE without a lawyer. To keep you from volunteering stupid information.

 

[tangelo]

Please elaborate!

from your link:
Sample Demographics

Participants were median age 24 years, 74.9% Hispanic and 21.9% Black. The majority of the sample was born in the continental U.S. (44.5%) or Latin America (53.4%). Almost one-third of participants (29.3%) was born in the Dominican Republic; 16.3% were born in Puerto Rico; 7.8% were born in Mexico, South or Central America, or Cuba. Of those not born in the continental U.S., 10.2% lived in the continental U.S. for 1 year or less, and 65.0% had lived in the U.S. for more than 5 years. More than one-third (37.5%) of participants were unemployed

 

[LinasK]

And, this is why you don't talk to LE without a lawyer. To keep you from volunteering stupid information.

Disagree because I wouldn't fall on my sword and say something stupidly incriminating like that for my husband or daughter. I believe in personal responsibility, not unconditional love.

 

[EvilSoup]

My 7 year old niece also doesn't like having her hair brushed. I'd say its common for all children to dislike it. However, it's probably also common for children of all sexes to enjoy having their hair brushed.

When your sons are teenager would you assume they have mental health issues if they spend a lot of time fixing their hair because that seems to be what the previous discussion was asserting. Men who dress well, care about their hair and general appearance probably have mental health issues because well adjusted manly men don't do those things.

Like Mike Ditka and Jimmy Johnson? :floorlaugh::Bananahair:

 

[Spice]

Also, they can blame the medication for affecting his memory. They can blame the bottle rocket for his deafness in his right ear. They can try and turn his sexting into an addiction that he "couldn't control". They can say his research of hot car deaths was out of fear.



However, how is the defense going to defend the fact that he wasn't and isn't blind?

He could see Cooper. He could see him in the car, when he left him in the car, when he went back into the car at lunch, and when he drove with his dead body to the restaurant parking lot.

There is just no getting around that. :moo:

 

[cady]

I'd be really surprised to find out he had a girlfriend. I think his gig was sending pics of his weezer NOT performing with it lol. Possibly, his sexting addiction began around the same time that he was getting injections and using gels, etc. It was an aha experience and he ran amok with it! LOL JMO JMO

 

[who knew?]

Also, they can blame the medication for affecting his memory. They can blame the bottle rocket for his deafness in his right ear. They can try and turn his sexting into an addiction that he "couldn't control". They can say his research of hot car deaths was out of fear.



However, how is the defense going to defend the fact that he wasn't and isn't blind?

He could see Cooper. He could see him in the car, when he left him in the car, when he went back into the car at lunch, and when he drove with his dead body to the restaurant parking lot.

There is just no getting around that. :moo:

Lol lol lol