GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[Flutterby80]

Just my opinion, but I will be shocked if he isn't seeing someone one the side. Maybe someone he stopped to meet at the restaurant. Cooper was just a baby, so couldn't tell mommy what daddy was up to.

Whoever said Scott Peterson upthread, that was also my first thought. Selfish a-hole, wanted out of his marriage without the baggage of a child.

 

[blue22]

Oh I know... I was just saying that having that time as a point of reference would be helpful. If he went to the car at 11, the odor may not have been as bad as it would have been at say, 1PM.

I see what you mean!

 

[Judicious1]

During lunch said accused did access the same vehicle through the driver's side door to place an object into the vehicle. Said accused then closed the door and left the car, re-entering his place of business.

This is from the warrant. He went back inside. Usually, lunch is around lunchtime. Especially, if you get off at 4:00.

I'm just saying that he surely went back in to work for at least a time. I know lunches can happy at weird times, but he took a lunch, so he must have gone back in to work.

Oh he did per the warrant. There are just to many what ifs and theories as to what time, how long was Cooper deceased by that point, did it smell then, did the smell get stronger because he left him, did he go inside and start researching how long it would take an animal to die in a car to attempt to figure out how long Cooper has been dead... Formulate a plan. I doubt he went inside as if nothing happened and I'm not suggesting he did. I would bet he was trying to figure out how the hell he was going to explain this to his wife and police. Shock is a crazy world to live in .

 

[JLSChook]

He was almost 2 yrs old. He was wide awake, having just eaten minutes earlier. And he was expecting to be dropped off at day care to play with his friends. Didn't he say anything to his Dad when they parked and Dad started to leave the car?

Oh my, this post just killed me

 

[katydid23]

My son would be hysterical. Although, I know every child is different...so I'm not claiming he would be.

I don't believe a normal child would be silent in the very short drive between getting breakfast with dad to work.

Mine would have probably been 'vocalizing' when I passed the daycare entrance. KIds know the usual routines, and speak up when things affecting them change. It is hard for me to believe that a 22 month old boy, that is wide awake, and waiting to go play with his friends, is going to be so silent that his Dad totally forgets he exists.

 

[tlcya]

ME has not gotten tox back yet per JVM on HLN

which implies tox has been ordered.

 

[Cinnamon]

Do I do that by reporting? (Sorry, never done this before! Thanks for your help)

Click on the red-rimmed white triangle next to your post #...top left of your post, across from the time post. HTH.

 

[Judicious1]

I'm just saying that he surely went back in to work for at least a time. I know lunches can happy at weird times, but he took a lunch, so he must have gone back in to work.

I hear you. Your post just made it seem like you were suggesting he are a noon because that's what "lunch time" means to many people but in a corporate environment it is typically whenever you want to go. My speculation comment was in regards to the idea he went back to work for 4 hours after going to the car. No way to know that at this point

 

[tlcya]

The Cobb County Medical Examiner's Office said Wednesday that toxicology results are still pending but that it believes the cause of death was hyperthermia and the manner of death was homicide. Hyperthermia is a condition in which the temperature of the body spikes due to the heat.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/warrant-ga-man-returned-car-son-inside-24297276

Wonder if they are thinking tox will reveal an OD of meds that caused Cooper to sleep or become lethargic while in the hot car.

 

[who knew?]

Something else that has been mentioned, but not discussed -

I read on here that LE said he needed to call his wife and let her know what was going on. Is this the process in Atlanta? Would this be done by phone call? Wouldn't LE have gone to the house, told her, and driven her to the police station, or hospital? If she had no knowledge, the shock of the call about her baby could be dangerous to her, and, if she drove herself somewhere, to everyone on the road. Plus, wouldn't they want to try and gauge her reaction?

I'm not saying I think she knew. I'm just wondering about that phone call. I know if I got a phone call like that, I'd pass out cold.

 

[blue22]

I hear you. Your post just made it seem like you were suggesting he are a noon because that's what "lunch time" means to many people but in a corporate environment it is typically whenever you want to go. My speculation comment was in regards to the idea he went back to work for 4 hours after going to the car. No way to know that at this point

The thing is, I think Cooper probably died very quickly. I wonder how long it takes for the smell to happen in that extreme heat. I wish there was a way to know!

 

[tlcya]

Prosecutors may opt for the harshest charges available and then scale back in felony murder cases, said Jessica Gabel, an associate professor of law at Georgia State University in Atlanta.

"They're definitely going to look at how healthy was the child, the family's previous history, whether dad was usually somebody who was very responsible," she said. "And the defense, if this reaches a trial, will be collecting their evidence that he was a good parent, a fit parent."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/warrant-ga-man-returned-car-son-inside-24297276

 

[Threeplus1]

Press conference on JVM just now:

Mike Bowman, Cobb Co. Police information:
Officers were on routine patrols when they pulled into parking lot
Father was taken to crimes against persons office to be interviewed
Mother was interviewed at headquarters
Two warrants: cruelty to child second degree--key words "with criminal negligence" causes cruel or excessive physical or mental pain. And felony murder which is when in commission of a felony causes the death of another human being
Several search warrants
Awaiting toxicology
COD hyperthermia, manner is homicide (explains meaning death caused by another)
Asked about going to car, officer said that "statement was made"
Asked about computer search, replied "won't get into specifics if the case"
Asked about cruelty charges downgrade, replied that warrant was changed to support the factual evidence in the case, wanted to make sure verbiage was correct to substantiate charges. Negligence could happen to anyone, but gross negligence indicates other circumstances.
Investigators must have probable cause for charges and swear and affirm everything is correct before magistrate. Magistrate determines charges.
Everything is active and fluid and this is an ongoing investigation.
Investigators know timeline of events.
Still awaiting toxicology...could be a week, could be a month.

 

[blue22]

The Cobb County Medical Examiner's Office said Wednesday that toxicology results are still pending but that it believes the cause of death was hyperthermia and the manner of death was homicide. Hyperthermia is a condition in which the temperature of the body spikes due to the heat.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/warrant-ga-man-returned-car-son-inside-24297276

Wonder if they are thinking tox will reveal an OD of meds that caused Cooper to sleep or become lethargic while in the hot car.

Didn't someone mention the wife said he ate breakfast that morning? (Am I dreaming this?) While I think toxicology is a completely par for the course thing in a criminal case...I wonder if they think something was given at the restaurant?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The thing is, I think Cooper probably died very quickly. I wonder how long it takes for the smell to happen in that extreme heat. I wish there was a way to know!

I found a MSM about him researching how long an animal takes to die in a car..


"Source: Dad searched how long it takes animal to die in hot car before child left in hot car"

http://wreg.com/2014/06/25/source-d...-die-in-hot-car-before-child-left-in-hot-car/

That is kind of a game changer for me if it is substantiated.
UGH.

 

[tlcya]

Something else that has been mentioned, but not discussed -

I read on here that LE said he needed to call his wife and let her know what was going on. Is this the process in Atlanta? Would this be done by phone call? Wouldn't LE have gone to the house, told her, and driven her to the police station, or hospital? If she had no knowledge, the shock of the call about her baby could be dangerous to her, and, if she drove herself somewhere, to everyone on the road. Plus, wouldn't they want to try and gauge her reaction?

I'm not saying I think she knew. I'm just wondering about that phone call. I know if I got a phone call like that, I'd pass out cold.

I do not think that is SOP but do not think it is necessarily a deviation from what is allowed. I suspect they suspected foul play from the get go. They either

A wanted to distract him from his dramatic display and his interference with responders and give him some other task to focus on

and/or

B wanted to see how he would behave and handle that phone call to wife.

 

[who knew?]

Just my opinion, but I will be shocked if he isn't seeing someone one the side. Maybe someone he stopped to meet at the restaurant. Cooper was just a baby, so couldn't tell mommy what daddy was up to.

Whoever said Scott Peterson upthread, that was also my first thought. Selfish a-hole, wanted out of his marriage without the baggage of a child.

I agree he could have been a serial cheater, or whatever, but there's a difference between Harris and Peterson ---- Harris is no "Don Juan"! (Not that I found Scott Peterson to be irresistible, either!!!)

 

[newone]

Just my opinion, but I will be shocked if he isn't seeing someone one the side. Maybe someone he stopped to meet at the restaurant. Cooper was just a baby, so couldn't tell mommy what daddy was up to.

Whoever said Scott Peterson upthread, that was also my first thought. Selfish a-hole, wanted out of his marriage without the baggage of a child.

Along with your train of thought:

(a) no pesky monthly child support

 

[CrazytownUSA]

I found a MSM about him researching how long an animal takes to die in a car..


"Source: Dad searched how long it takes animal to die in hot car before child left in hot car"

http://wreg.com/2014/06/25/source-d...-die-in-hot-car-before-child-left-in-hot-car/

That is kind of a game changer for me if it is substantiated.
UGH.

Yes, but we don't know when that search occurred... I think we all would like to know the timing of that search, which IMO, will make all the difference in the world. Considering they charged him after the office search, I'm assuming the search was that day... but we don't know that yet.

 

[oh_gal]

Along with your train of thought:

(a) no pesky monthly child support

Or...a way to punish the wife, by taking away her baby.