GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[JudyBolton]

Sorry - but the google search reminds me too much of Casey Anthony and her search for "Foolproof Suffocation" on the day Caylee disappeared...

 

[BrianInBirmingham]

There were early reports of Harris cursing the police officer and the police officer telling Harris to “watch his mouth” or something of that sort. As to the “search”, computer forensics requires many hours and days of analysis. This could simply be a click on a newsfeed. I would estimate that one in one hundred stories on my Facebook newsfeed is about dogs in cars and many of them are provocative enough to get a click. Why would Harris search for animals, why not children? -- Because he thought LE might come in for a look? Think about it. My experience in watching many cases transpire (especially when I am knowledgeable of the facts of the case) is that LE can and will greatly distort the facts to fabricate a narrative that points at their alleged perp and makes it difficult for the public to even come to one’s defense. The typical strategy is to put every aspect of the person-of-interest’s life (calls, emails, texts, online activity, so-forth-and-so-on) and then start releasing info (affair, homosexuality, gambling, past drug use, searches). I suspect that by simply addressing this observed phenomenon, I will come under fire as though I support killing children. It’s hard to defend this man when LE is continually playing these sorts of cards. I suspect Harris pissed off an officer. That’s what if feels like. Courthouse defense attorneys refer to this sort of situation as the investigating officer having a “hard on”. They had a hard on for Harris from the get-go and they haven’t come through with any facts since.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

From a 2007 article:

An Associated Press analysis of more than 310 fatal incidents in the past 10 years found that prosecutions and penalties vary widely:

* Mothers are treated much more harshly than fathers. While mothers and fathers are charged and convicted at about the same rates, moms are 26 percent more likely to do time. And their median sentence is two years longer than the terms received by dads.

* Day-care workers and other paid baby sitters are more likely than parents to be charged and convicted. But they are jailed less frequently than parents, and for less than half the time.

* Charges are filed in half of all cases -- even when a child was left unintentionally.

* In 27 percent of the cases the AP studied, the children got into the vehicles on their own. Those cases are much less likely to be prosecuted, though sometimes parents are punished for negligence -- particularly if substance abuse is involved.

* The AP identified more than 220 cases in which the caregiver admitted leaving the child behind. More than three-quarters of those people claim they simply forgot.

* Texas leads the nation with at least 41 deaths, followed by Florida with 37, California with 32, North Carolina and Arizona with 14 each, and Tennessee with 13. There were deaths recorded in 44 states -- most in the Sun Belt, but many in places not known for hot weather.

In all, the AP analyzed 339 fatalities involving more than 350 responsible parties. July is by far the deadliest month, accounting for nearly a quarter of the total.

A relatively small number of cases -- about 7 percent -- involved drugs or alcohol. In a few instances, the responsible parties had a history of abusing or neglecting children. Still others were single parents unable to find or afford day care.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/29/AR2007072900213.html

 

[LisaB]

clothing is generally pretty saturated to if there is profuse sweating.....the wet hair is 'interesting' though....hair dries pretty quickly in that heat and the witnesses said his hair looked like he had just come out of a swimming pool

maybe that's one of the inconsistencies?? I really don't know

The back of his head might stay damp if pressed against the car seat.

 

[Kateyes]

Sorry - but the google search reminds me too much of Casey Anthony and her search for "Foolproof Suffocation" on the day Caylee disappeared...

You beat me to the punch, Judy Bolton! That was the first thought in my mind - Casey Anthony and the things she googled.

 

[blue22]

The back of his head might stay damp if pressed against the car seat.

There is no way, IMO. He had likely been deceased the majority of the day, and he would not continue sweating. So, for hours it was well over 100 degrees and the sweat that was there, would have dried very, very quickly.

 

[gngr~snap]

Ya know, I am not sure about Cobb County but over the past few years we have had several police dogs die in hot cars, even though they were running!
I wonder if.his search was for statistics in the area to throw at the responding officers? Even their dogs accidentally die in cars. Did they do it to the dog on purpose etc...

 

[eileenhawkeye]

There were early reports of Harris cursing the police officer and the police officer telling Harris to “watch his mouth” or something of that sort. As to the “search”, computer forensics requires many hours and days of analysis. This could simply be a click on a newsfeed. I would estimate that one in one hundred stories on my Facebook newsfeed is about dogs in cars and many of them are provocative enough to get a click. Why would Harris search for animals, why not children? -- Because he thought LE might come in for a look? Think about it. My experience in watching many cases transpire (especially when I am knowledgeable of the facts of the case) is that LE can and will greatly distort the facts to fabricate a narrative that points at their alleged perp and makes it difficult for the public to even come to one’s defense. The typical strategy is to put every aspect of the person-of-interest’s life (calls, emails, texts, online activity, so-forth-and-so-on) and then start releasing info (affair, homosexuality, gambling, past drug use, searches). I suspect that by simply addressing this observed phenomenon, I will come under fire as though I support killing children. It’s hard to defend this man when LE is continually playing these sorts of cards. I suspect Harris pissed off an officer. That’s what if feels like. Courthouse defense attorneys refer to this sort of situation as the investigating officer having a “hard on”. They had a hard on for Harris from the get-go and they haven’t come through with any facts since.

I really see no reason why he would search for "how long does it take an animal to die". It just makes no sense to me. If he was worried about LE taking a look at the search results, he wouldn't do the search, not just change one of the words.

 

[Jayarre]

There were early reports of Harris cursing the police officer and the police officer telling Harris to “watch his mouth” or something of that sort. As to the “search”, computer forensics requires many hours and days of analysis. This could simply be a click on a newsfeed. I would estimate that one in one hundred stories on my Facebook newsfeed is about dogs in cars and many of them are provocative enough to get a click. Why would Harris search for animals, why not children? -- Because he thought LE might come in for a look? Think about it. My experience in watching many cases transpire (especially when I am knowledgeable of the facts of the case) is that LE can and will greatly distort the facts to fabricate a narrative that points at their alleged perp and makes it difficult for the public to even come to one’s defense. The typical strategy is to put every aspect of the person-of-interest’s life (calls, emails, texts, online activity, so-forth-and-so-on) and then start releasing info (affair, homosexuality, gambling, past drug use, searches). I suspect that by simply addressing this observed phenomenon, I will come under fire as though I support killing children. It’s hard to defend this man when LE is continually playing these sorts of cards. I suspect Harris pissed off an officer. That’s what if feels like. Courthouse defense attorneys refer to this sort of situation as the investigating officer having a “hard on”. They had a hard on for Harris from the get-go and they haven’t come through with any facts since.

The LEO with the "hard on" didn't cause the death of a child through neglect.

 

[blue22]

There were early reports of Harris cursing the police officer and the police officer telling Harris to “watch his mouth” or something of that sort. As to the “search”, computer forensics requires many hours and days of analysis. This could simply be a click on a newsfeed. I would estimate that one in one hundred stories on my Facebook newsfeed is about dogs in cars and many of them are provocative enough to get a click. Why would Harris search for animals, why not children? -- Because he thought LE might come in for a look? Think about it. My experience in watching many cases transpire (especially when I am knowledgeable of the facts of the case) is that LE can and will greatly distort the facts to fabricate a narrative that points at their alleged perp and makes it difficult for the public to even come to one’s defense. The typical strategy is to put every aspect of the person-of-interest’s life (calls, emails, texts, online activity, so-forth-and-so-on) and then start releasing info (affair, homosexuality, gambling, past drug use, searches). I suspect that by simply addressing this observed phenomenon, I will come under fire as though I support killing children. It’s hard to defend this man when LE is continually playing these sorts of cards. I suspect Harris pissed off an officer. That’s what if feels like. Courthouse defense attorneys refer to this sort of situation as the investigating officer having a “hard on”. They had a hard on for Harris from the get-go and they haven’t come through with any facts since.

It's a conspiracy!!!!!! :abduction:

No. LE has said that the evidence that have is not privy for public consumption. They aren't interested in playing this in the public. They have more that these little leaks. I think their actions have made that very clear. They are currently looking for motive, they believe there is more to this.

In addition, LE are in positions of authority. Not only is it part of his job, but it's his right to tell someone to be quiet, if they are being so hysterical they say something completely unsavory, and actually INTERFERE with EMS and authorities looking at his boy. They have to stay in the position of authority, no matter what is happening around them. They can't let people run turn their scene into a circus when a little boy is dead...even if it's the father.

"Watch your mouth" is a mild warning that you need to stop. It's not a threat to railroad him. Come on now.

 

[blue22]

Ya know, I am not sure about Cobb County but over the past few years we have had several police dogs die in hot cars, even though they were running!
I wonder if.his search was for statistics in the area to throw at the responding officers? Even their dogs accidentally die in cars. Did they do it to the dog on purpose etc...

Atlanta is not Cobb County.

Further, If a police dog dies in a car, it is usually when a cop has to leave the car for job related purposes. If they have to attend to their job without the dog, there isn't much choice there.

With that said, I don't condone dogs dying in cars. However, Cooper's circumstances are egregious, and grossly criminal and negligent at the hands of his FATHER. A cop isn't out there commuting a felony in the process of a dog dying under VERY suspect circumstance. IMO, it's apples to oranges.

 

[LisaB]

'But the baby didn't look like it had been choking, it looked like it had been sweating, like it had been in a swimming pool, his hair was all wet."

If it is true that the dad said the boy was choking/vomiting which alerted him that there was a problem, he FLAT-OUT LIED. There is no possibility a boy who had been dead for hours was choking or made any sound that could have been confused with choking. Had he said he noticed an odor, or realized he had never dropped the child off spontaneously, MAYBE. But if he claimed the boy made ANY sort of movement or noise in the car after 4pm, there's no reason to believe ANY of his story.

 

[blue22]

If it is true that the dad said the boy was choking/vomiting which alerted him that there was a problem, he FLAT-OUT LIED. There is no possibility a boy who had been dead for hours was choking or made any sound that could have been confused with choking. Had he said he noticed an odor, or realized he had never dropped the child off spontaneously, MAYBE. But if he claimed the boy made ANY sort of movement or noise in the car after 4pm, there's no reason to believe ANY of his story.

I hope those statements are true and it was substantiated by police. There is no way he can explain that away.

 

[tlcya]

There were early reports of Harris cursing the police officer and the police officer telling Harris to “watch his mouth” or something of that sort. As to the “search”, computer forensics requires many hours and days of analysis. This could simply be a click on a newsfeed. I would estimate that one in one hundred stories on my Facebook newsfeed is about dogs in cars and many of them are provocative enough to get a click. Why would Harris search for animals, why not children? -- Because he thought LE might come in for a look? Think about it. My experience in watching many cases transpire (especially when I am knowledgeable of the facts of the case) is that LE can and will greatly distort the facts to fabricate a narrative that points at their alleged perp and makes it difficult for the public to even come to one’s defense. The typical strategy is to put every aspect of the person-of-interest’s life (calls, emails, texts, online activity, so-forth-and-so-on) and then start releasing info (affair, homosexuality, gambling, past drug use, searches). I suspect that by simply addressing this observed phenomenon, I will come under fire as though I support killing children. It’s hard to defend this man when LE is continually playing these sorts of cards. I suspect Harris pissed off an officer. That’s what if feels like. Courthouse defense attorneys refer to this sort of situation as the investigating officer having a “hard on”. They had a hard on for Harris from the get-go and they haven’t come through with any facts since.

thanks for your perspective. MOO and IME sometimes LE has a hard on because all the right stimulus was there.

 

[LisaB]

Copper is the only victim. [modsnip]

I view the mom as somewhat a victim as well.

 

[murphy3k]

Atlanta is not Cobb County.

RSBM.

For what it's worth, portions of the city of Atlanta are in three counties: Fulton, DeKalb, and Cobb. When I lived in this area I had an Atlanta address and was within Cobb County.

 

[Jade]

But... OP thought baby had been fed at home and Chick was for Dad?

I have tried to keep up but is it known that they went into Chick or to the drive through?

Cooper could have fallen asleep on the ride, slept through drive through, still asleep when left in the car. Thus still in position at his passing.

If Cooper knew he had been left couldn’t he have wriggled out of the car seat?

There was a case up stream linked about the little boy who got out of his seat and moved around causing the car alarm to go off repeatedly only to have dad click it off from a window.

In this scenario [even though that is a small SUV with the child’s head, albeit in the high sided seat, right there] Dad goes on to work leaves car with other things on his mind and at some point remembers, makes a trip to the car fearing the worst and while approaching sees Cooper in the back.

Dad then acts like he put something in the car to cover his trip and retreats to gather his thoughts.

This is based on OP home experiment of being able to see enough of the child to know it was there through the tinted windows immediately on approaching the vehicle. So if dad was thinking he may be in there he is going to be looking as approaching.

I sometimes go to my car to get something during the work day but can’t recall a time I took something to my car unless I was on my way out anyway.

In this scenario Dad takes some time to process this incident and after seeing Cooper, feeling he was dead, looked it up to see if there was any chance…left as soon as he could taking a few miles to get up the nerve to start the beginning of the scene

I wouldn’t think he was in his right mind were this the case and the search query was only barely veiled.

This is not normal behavior but maybe he was sort of scared of the wife thinking he doesn’t do things correctly and he froze up.

All IMO

 

[Isabelle]

Sorry - but the google search reminds me too much of Casey Anthony and her search for "Foolproof Suffocation" on the day Caylee disappeared...

He didn't pay good attention to the Casey Anthony case.

 

[popsicle]

There were early reports of Harris cursing the police officer and the police officer telling Harris to “watch his mouth” or something of that sort. As to the “search”, computer forensics requires many hours and days of analysis. This could simply be a click on a newsfeed. I would estimate that one in one hundred stories on my Facebook newsfeed is about dogs in cars and many of them are provocative enough to get a click. Why would Harris search for animals, why not children? -- Because he thought LE might come in for a look? Think about it. My experience in watching many cases transpire (especially when I am knowledgeable of the facts of the case) is that LE can and will greatly distort the facts to fabricate a narrative that points at their alleged perp and makes it difficult for the public to even come to one’s defense. The typical strategy is to put every aspect of the person-of-interest’s life (calls, emails, texts, online activity, so-forth-and-so-on) and then start releasing info (affair, homosexuality, gambling, past drug use, searches). I suspect that by simply addressing this observed phenomenon, I will come under fire as though I support killing children. It’s hard to defend this man when LE is continually playing these sorts of cards. I suspect Harris pissed off an officer. That’s what if feels like. Courthouse defense attorneys refer to this sort of situation as the investigating officer having a “hard on”. They had a hard on for Harris from the get-go and they haven’t come through with any facts since.

He was arrested based on evidence at the scene and information from his interview per the pc last night.

 

[LisaB]

So getting caught committing murder makes you a victim? If it was truly an accident I can see where you are coming from. But he's been arrested already and the charges have been SET. He's not a victim.

Is Scott Peterson a victim too because his plan didn't work out the way he wanted? :waitasec:

Scott Peterson has been convicted. In this case, there are still elements of the story outstanding. I do NOT think this will turn out to be a case in which the accused will be acquitted, but it's not a lock yet that he is "Guilty".