GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[tlcya]

My point is there is not EVIDENCE or witness statements that suggest that car smelled.

The witnesses have been very forthcoming about speaking to the press about what they observed. I haven't seen any statement from a witness that stated the car or the child smelled. Only speculation and theory.

That's fine, we're all doing that but slowly speculation and theory is getting morphed into people saying the COPS SAID IT and I haven't seen any evidence to back up that assertion.

sadly that info can only be sourced at this time by a member who transcribed what was being said during the most recent presser.

I have found no MSM that states that is the case nor can I locate copy of raw video of that presser so for now I am considering that smell business - rumor.

Not disputing what the member heard, simply rolling according to WS TOS and their high standards. If no substantiating link can be provided it is not considered fact.

 

[JudyBolton]

A couple of things...


I think the discussion about the daycare calling or not calling when a child is absent is starting to be like beating a dead horse. Every school has their own process and procedures. There is no law regulating this particular issue. Yes it would awesome to know but we don't . My child's preschool does not her old school did. I'm honestly not trying to be rude. Just saying...

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Well I asked one question about normal day care protocol and commented twice to other poster's answers. I am very sorry that you feel this constitutes "beating a dead horse"....

Obviously this does not FIT your scenario of what happened and therefore you dismiss it ....and yes I do feel your comment to me was rude.

How many other unknown facts have been discussed at length?

 

[Spice]

My point is there is not EVIDENCE or witness statements that suggest that car smelled.

The witnesses have been very forthcoming about speaking to the press about what they observed. I haven't seen any statement from a witness that stated the car or the child smelled. Only speculation and theory.

That's fine, we're all doing that but slowly speculation and theory is getting morphed into people saying the COPS SAID IT and I haven't seen any evidence to back up that assertion.

I am not talking about evidence....as little has been released. And that post was not pointedly directed at you....I didn't quote you.

It is my opinion about what the state of Harris' car would have been in at noon and thereafter, It is LUDICROUS to say that it would have had zero odor, diaper, sweat, or death. A human being had been baking in there for HOURS and it would not smell out of the ordinary? No way. This,in my opinion makes him a psychopath and a liar for IGNORING whatever he found at noon if by some great leap this was an actual accident.

What FATHER, scared or not, begins covering his own A** instead of calling 911 to help his poor baby.

I believe it was premeditated. He was checking if he was dead or not. And then he made his damning internet search. Then he staged his dramatic BS choking scenario while his son was stiff and the shape of the car seat in the presence of shocked witnesses.

To me these are not the actions of a grieving parent that made a horrible mistake.

These are the actions of a psychopathic, narcissistic murderer who wanted sympathy and was staging the murder of a baby to look like an accident. And not very well at that.

 

[gngr~snap]

Most if not all of what you listed are not confirmed facts. Casey Anthony, unfortunately was found not guilty. Evidence at her trial can not be used as fact as it was clearly not enough to convince a jury that is what happened. Just me.
They were never ever able to prove she was deceased in that car. They didnt even convict her on the neglect charges.

At least they can prove Cooper was deceased in his car.
Thank goodness!

 

[newone]

This was discussed up thread I thought. But this ad is not on behalf of Vic Reynolds.

He is the one who brought the charges against RH. This ad is from RH supporters urging folks to put pressure on Reynolds to drop the charges against RH.


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yes.....when we were looking at this video days ago we were referring to it as a political advert....poor choice of words on my part perhaps. I was totally confused by the whole video thing ... a poster on the first thread thought it odd that so soon after this horrible case was brought to light that this video appeared and we wondered if they had a public relations person on their team (the petitioners etc)

 

[blue22]

My point is there is not EVIDENCE or witness statements that suggest that car smelled.

The witnesses have been very forthcoming about speaking to the press about what they observed. I haven't seen any statement from a witness that stated the car or the child smelled. Only speculation and theory.

That's fine, we're all doing that but slowly speculation and theory is getting morphed into people saying the COPS SAID IT and I haven't seen any evidence to back up that assertion.

And a unless the medical expert that examined Cooper's body stated that the evidence shows that the TOD was around 10 am stating what other medical experts who did not examine the body have suggested was "likely" is completely irrelevant.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/clip/10303559/child-death-investigation

 

[Chewy]

The cops did say it, though. In the newscast I watched, they told the reporter that was the FIRST clue they had that his story wasn't right. Many of us watched that, we aren't making it up.

The fact is, witnesses are not allowed to be on top of the crime scene. He pulled the child OUT of the car and placed him down away from the car. There is not a single witness saying they were near the car or looking into the car. They were around the scene, or near the boy. I don't believe there are witness statements about smell, because they weren't near the vehicle and then not allowed to be near the vehicle, to smell it.

I would just like a source to back it up, TYIA


OOPS THANKS ! :seeya:

 

[katinva]

I don't see how that could be possible. If he was at work and the phones were not out of order - how could they have not have been able to contact him? And then would that not lead them to contact the mother? If he brings his child there every morning at a certain time and does not show up, does not call, etc. What if there had been a terrible car accident? This does not add up to me.... maybe I'm just stuck on this point but it seems pretty important to me.

We have an ignore button on our phone system. My co-worker uses it all the time when bill collectors call her. I do think they would have called the mom next though.

 

[blue22]

I would just like a source to back it up, TYIA

I linked the video above

 

[Judicious1]

I see that info was reported but if it was his normal routine to drop the child off, apparantly it was already arranged that the child would not be picked up that day by Mom. That makes me even more suspicious.

Why is it apparent mom arranged not to pick him up? This was never reported if so please post link. We don't even know mom and dads schedule. Only who normally dropped off and picked up. He worked IT. He could have left early the day of the death but he could have worked much later normally. Maybe mom worked until 4 or 5. Part time doesn't mean she got of at 2pm. Whatever the hours she apparently got off earlier. Even if its by an hour many parents will pick up the child then opposed to leaving them at daycare longer just because their spouse might be closer. There is a lot of assumptions being made on very little information.

 

[newone]

One more thing that is haunting me, considering this case and the recent Florida man is that societal standards and expectations relating to fathers and mothers are coming into play. I'm having a tough time finding a way to articulate it because I am also immersed in those standards, but it feels like we as a culture seem to be much more sympathetic and forgiving of mothers than fathers. It's just a visceral response and I have no way of quantifying it.

I don't know about ''legal precedents' that would back up what you are saying but truthfully overall I think we have bashed mothers in the past far more than we have dads for neglect and wrongful infant death.

 

[blue22]

I don't know about ''legal precedents' that would back up what you are saying but truthfully overall I think we have bashed mothers in the past far more than we have dads for neglect and wrongful infant death.

Not to mention that mothers get harsher sentences for children who die in cars.

 

[tlcya]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/clip/10303559/child-death-investigation

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for this link about the officers describing smells being overwhelming in car.

added to the media link thread with notation describing topic so we can find that later.

 

[CrazytownUSA]

My point is there is not EVIDENCE or witness statements that suggest that car smelled.

The witnesses have been very forthcoming about speaking to the press about what they observed. I haven't seen any statement from a witness that stated the car or the child smelled. Only speculation and theory.

That's fine, we're all doing that but slowly speculation and theory is getting morphed into people saying the COPS SAID IT and I haven't seen any evidence to back up that assertion.

And a unless the medical expert that examined Cooper's body stated that the evidence shows that the TOD was around 10 am stating what other medical experts who did not examine the body have suggested was "likely" is completely irrelevant.

I am not sure why any of the witnesses would have gone into the car, but the first responders would have, and I do believe that is who said the car reeked so badly.

 

[newone]

No, I wasn't reprimanding for off-topic... I think it was perfectly related and I have seen this case devolve in the court of public opinion. I was just using it as an opportunity to remind myself of what the assertions are and that we're supposed to be patient and more evidence will follow. In my opinion, no real additional facts have come out in this case since day one except for having gone to the car at lunch...even though the originator of the online petition stated so. Sorry if I seemed assy.

I see this case as an opportunity to examine why parents who ''forget'' their kids in hot SUVs deserve a pass at all.

I believe it deserves the same ZERO TOLERANCE that we have for DUI.

 

[Spice]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/clip/10303559/child-death-investigation

Thank you! So LE sources have stated that the car "smelled to high heaven" and another LE source said it "reeked".

As common sense would tell us anyway.

 

[Cailin Rua]

Honest question here, I am not being snarky.

When my kids were infant/ toddlers it was 1991-1995.
Do parents honestly not have photos stored on zip drives or sim cards or in their cameras and cell phones?
I back my photos up to third party locations as well.
I could easily get pictures without my laptop and his job was computers, surely there wasnt only one location where the photos were - was there?

I wouldn't be surprised if a defense attorney advised them to ask for pictures specifically so they could say the computer evidence was compromised at trial.

 

[Spice]

Most if not all of what you listed are not confirmed facts. Casey Anthony, unfortunately was found not guilty. Evidence at her trial can not be used as fact as it was clearly not enough to convince a jury that is what happened. Just me.
They were never ever able to prove she was deceased in that car. They didnt even convict her on the neglect charges.

I stated that it "reminds" me of the CA case and that it had tones of it. I never ever stated that it was concretely the same.

And Casey may have not been found guilty but that does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that she is actually innocent. She got lucky and got away with murder. I am not going to get into what they did or did not prove, as I followed that trial from day one and know it like the back of my hand. They did prove that Caylee died in the trunk. That is NOT even arguable. Bodily fluids, and insect evidence told the story. Death Wax and Coffin Flies etc.

All of the things that I listed that reminded me of Casey's behavior during the murder investigation are facts and did happen regardless of the unfortunate travesty of a "verdict".

And that is what I was speaking too. The behaviors. It's simply my opinion. You do not have to see the similar tones, but I do.

 

[tiredblondy]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/clip/10303559/child-death-investigation

Yes! Thank you!!!!

 

[blue22]

Honest question here, I am not being snarky.

When my kids were infant/ toddlers it was 1991-1995.
Do parents honestly not have photos stored on zip drives or sim cards or in their cameras and cell phones?
I back my photos up to third party locations as well.
I could easily get pictures without my laptop and his job was computers, surely there wasnt only one location where the photos were - was there?

I don't know what other people do, but we have two separate thumb drives and an internet backup program with any important pictures.

They can download print pictures of Facebook, and directly from their mobile device. (I'm thinking most grandparents take pictures, and I would not think their phones would be confiscated as evidence.) I think it's easy to get your pictures without a computer. I would think a guy working with computers wouldn't have pictures on just one, but he did do an incriminating search...so I don't think we are talking about a computer genius here. Who knows.