GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[Judicious1]

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I've been thinking that for quite a while, myself....

I'm assuming you are catching up and replying to posts as you do. That's what I do anyways. If so you will see the follow ups to these but I will still quickly address both since I responded to them earlier as well.

First off the 2:30pm time floating around as a pick up time started from a what if scenario/theory. We have no information on the work schedules of mom or dad . We just know ( from friend comments on some articles) dad dropped him off daily and mom picked up daily because she got off earlier.

The wsbtv article didn't say it had incriminating evidence on it only that the computers could be used as evidence in an ongoing investigation. Poster if in remember correctly just misquoted.

 

[Linda7NJ]

And I believe his source. We just don't know when the search on the computer was made yet.



I also believe, after reading his last tweet, that there are more terrible details coming.



https://twitter.com/RandyTravisFox5/with_replies

What was his last tweet? What did it say? Please post it so I can read it.
Thank you...


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

What was his last tweet? What did it say? Please post it so I can read it.
Thank you...


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"Randy Travis @RandyTravisFox5 · 2h
Sounds like u have strong opinion about case @MrBenjiMartin but these are facts. Write back in next few weeks. Terrible details coming."

I don't know. Sounds like drama to me.

 

[Nana46]

While looking at Twitter I see this:

http://www.wesh.com/news/passerby-r...t&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=wesh#!4XHph


Baby rescued from hot car today.

 

[popsicle]

Randy Travis @RandyTravisFox5 · 2h
Sounds like u have strong opinion about case @xxxxx but these are facts. Write back in next few weeks. Terrible details coming.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If the smell was as bad as has been said, and I do believe that it had to be, then it would hit Harris like a ton of bricks when he simply opened the car door at the end of his work day. For him to ignore that smell tells me ALOT. It tells me that like Casey Anthony, he knew what the smell was but it wasn't part of his plan to acknowledge the smell at that time. I also firmly believe that the car smelled when (if) he went to his car during the work day before he left to go "home".

Sadly it appears that LE is correct in their thoughts that Cooper's death was intentional. God bless Cooper's mom, close friends and extended family. When the truth hits them, they may find it to tough to live with.

MOO

The thing is about the smell, what is really smelly to some is not to others. And like has been stated if he pulled over and the baby was on the side of the road with him, Why would anyone have been near the car until the police decided to look into the car?

I don't know. I think that as in other cases there is 39% information and 61% supposition and rumor making things not quite right.

 

[Karmady]

what is this pray tell

It's an example from another case where leaks were not true. It was posted in response to this post from another poster. It seems pretty obvios to me, in context. I don't think Jeanna was trying to go o/t or confuse the issues at all. jmo

Here's the whole exchange:

OP: That's fine. Leaks happen in most high profile cases. I have never followed one where the links were wrong, so I am accepting it at this point.
To clarify, I've not followed one where a leak claiming to come directly from LE who has seen it themselves being wrong. Plenty have been wrong when there has been people passing the information they overheard.

JEANNA'S RESPONSE: How about the blood and vomit on the mop?

 

[seattlechiquita]

As far as I know LE has not commented on the 911 call or why they were dispatched to RH and CH. The choking story is from eyewitnesses. We do not yet know if that is what RH said was happening or not. He was suppose to not know his son was in the car, so why report a choking child instead of an unresponsive child. Basically RH has done a bad job of cover up.

I just read Randy Travis's twitter feed (Fox 5 Atlanta) and "terrible details coming"

Read that also. Great. Now I am in. I always promise to not follow children's cases. I just can't learn.

 

[newone]

Randy Travis @RandyTravisFox5 · 2h
Sounds like u have strong opinion about case @xxxxx but these are facts. Write back in next few weeks. Terrible details coming.

I believe there are some reporters who do still have ''old school ethics'' and when told something is "off the record'' they respect their sources - why bite the hand that feeds them.....I believe that tweet says a lot.

I truly believe they are ''holding tight'' until after the funeral and then there may be some dramatic new evidence released or God forbid new arrests and or search warrants.

 

[JLSChook]

Can you link where you read the story about the search isn't true please?

LE said he went to his car at lunch time and put an object in there... in the search warrant iirc.

I think they are talking about the People article, which IMO, is a stupid headline with no proof in the story. Catchy headline for more clicks.

Read the headline and then read what LE actually says. Anyone that knows anything about LE knows they didn't deny it and also gave reasoning for why they won't speculate.

http://www.people.com/article/toddl...er-police-respond-false-reports#disqus_thread

 

[gngr~snap]

When the individual was supposed to be at work?
Does it sound to anyone else like he was late that day?

Maybe I am reading it wrong.

"The detectives know the timeline,” Bowman said. “They know when the individual was supposed to be at work, when he stopped at the food restaurant, when he got to work, when he went to lunch and when he left from work. All of that is very critical information to how long the whole situation transpired.” He declined to release specifics."


http://mdjonline.com/bookmark/25354097-Petition-to-drop-charges-against-father-retracted

 

[JLSChook]

What was his last tweet? What did it say? Please post it so I can read it.
Thank you...


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Randy Travis @RandyTravisFox5 · 2h
Sounds like u have strong opinion about case @xxxxxx but these are facts. Write back in next few weeks. Terrible details coming.

 

[JudyBolton]

I am 5 pages behind - but catching up. Did any other local Atlanta people hear the special on WSB for the last hour? They had journalists from the AJC, one of their legal reporters, and other reporters who have worked on this story.

The one thing that stood out to me was the reporter who said he had known that LE guy (I forgot his title) - but the one who made the statement about "it shocked his conscience as a father and as a grandfather". Apparently the reporter has known this officer for many year and reported on numerous cases he was involved with and he was clear that this was *not* a person who would make such a remark lightly and he felt he said it from a point of genuine human emotion and it was not a planned statement.

If you have been discussing this already - forgive me - I am catching up as fast as I can....

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If you look at that factor alone, but when you put it together with immediately forgetting your child after you just had a face-face meal with him less than 3 min. before, and the searches, and going out to his car at lunchtime, it's fishy. Plus, why do CPR on a child that is blue-grey? He could NOT have been "choking" at that point, and technically when someone is choking, they cannot vocalize. Aspirating is different.
Also, we now have posters claiming he parked in the sun when he normally parked in the shade.

Because parents will try to bring dead children back when confronted with a dead child. RARELY do parents back off and say.. Oh well they are gone. They try to get that child breathing again.

I wish people would stop with the rumors. IT needs to stay with the facts. Speculation on the facts is one thing, Making things up and then furthering rumor makes the conversation worse.

 

[newone]

When the individual was supposed to be at work?
Does it sound to anyone else like he was late that day?

Maybe I am reading it wrong.

"The detectives know the timeline,” Bowman said. “They know when the individual was supposed to be at work, when he stopped at the food restaurant, when he got to work, when he went to lunch and when he left from work. All of that is very critical information to how long the whole situation transpired.” He declined to release specifics."


http://mdjonline.com/bookmark/25354097-Petition-to-drop-charges-against-father-retracted

I wondered that too....but truthfully IT folks often have weird hours and maybe he had been putting a lot of extra hours and could flex his schedule or
he may have intended to stay later and maybe he was in the habit of staying at work til say 7 or 8 pm

 

[Linda7NJ]

Nothing that belongs in this thread. Apparently something from some other case. However, the way that post is worded without any explanation at all it appears to be a part of this case. Even though it isn't.

Thank so much for clearing that up



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[LietKynes]

But the daily news article cites the fox affiliate for the statement about the search and the linked article from the Fox affiliate doesn't say when the supposed search was conducted.

The excerpt in bold, below, is from the Fox affiliate source linked by the daily news - notice they don't even say WHO did the search (they say "someone"), much less when the search was conducted.

Unfortunately, I could have predicted as much...pffft to the msm. They get worse every day, it seems.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/25864933/sources-toddler-death

BBM

Personally I have nothing against taking some msm news articles with a grain of salt. They need to report truthfully as much as anyone if they are to be taken seriously. No problem with anyone --reporter or otherwise -- who investigates further ; or who asks for more clarification.


www.cnn.com/2014/06/27/justice/georgia-toddler-death-duplicate-2/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

One of many things I appreciate about WS is the necessity of providing links so that we aren't spreading rumors and hearsay. Hopefully msm is not spreading any untruths or gossip.

This cnn.com link seems to indicate police found Mr. Harris' searching evidence on his work/business computers.
"...The officers found something startling: an online search for information about how long it takes animals to die in hot cars, the source said.
It's unknown when the Internet search was conducted and whether the father did the searching. Police have declined comment when asked about the computer search...." endquote

If Home Depot would be gracious enough to provide security footage of when Mr. Harris was on his pc at work -- compared to when the searches took place -- it would help to piece the evidence together.
Not sure if H.Depot is compelled to share anything... they can certainly refuse, I'd imagine. It would look very bad for them to have hired a murderer; although it's hardly their fault !
:moo:

 

[Judicious1]

I'm sure they read the same, but I'm also sure the father could attend, and not in jail on felony murder charges. I simply think defending a father in an obituary is disgraceful for that child. An obituary should be to celebrate and honor a life, not defend another person. If it weren't so blatant, I would happily give the benefit of the doubt. They are living in hell right now. I think it's not even hiding the intent. JMO.

I know a lot of people agree with you. I have so many feelings on this. I just didn't see it as defending him or using the obit as a way of making a public statement. I saw it as honoring their little boy who by all accounts was loved and well taken care of prior to his departure. Sometimes people want to remember the good and not the bad because that's all they can do in their mind to honor the deceased. Also who would want to feel like the world thought your child wasn't loved by anyone let alone the father. They very well might have done it out of respect for his side of the family who loved that little boy and have no control over what their family member is alleged to have done intentionally. That might even be why its worded so carefully. If there was no reference to the father that would have caused everyone to believe they think he is guilty. That might be the case but out of love for his family members maybe they will let everything come out in time. You never know. Grief does crazy things to our minds. The mom might be clinging to the thought that everything written is true becuse that has been her truth all these years. I don't have the heart to judge the family during this time. Everyone grieves differently. There are no rules or norms

 

[x_files]

The thing is about the smell, what is really smelly to some is not to others. And like has been stated if he pulled over and the baby was on the side of the road with him, Why would anyone have been near the car until the police decided to look into the car?

I don't know. I think that as in other cases there is 39% information and 61% supposition and rumor making things not quite right.

Was the car a pigsty with old food wrappers, old diapers? Did he himself the father, have an strong body order? If so then maybe he didn't notice the strong smell?
Otherwise the average person with a working olfactory would puke opening the door. Even smell a deceased animal or roadkill? Imagine that sealed up in a hot car. Not for the faint of heart.

 

[Karmady]

I think they are talking about the People article, which IMO, is a stupid headline with no proof in the story. Catchy headline for more clicks.

Read the headline and then read what LE actually says. Anyone that knows anything about LE knows they didn't deny it and also gave reasoning for why they won't speculate.

http://www.people.com/article/toddl...er-police-respond-false-reports#disqus_thread

Well that's interesting! Thanks.

From the article:

Police . . . are frustrated with rumors circulating around the case.

"You wonder where this stuff comes from," Officer Mike Bowman told PEOPLE on Thursday. Bowman was referring to reports that the child's father, Justin Ross Harris, did an Internet search for how long it takes for an animal to die in a hot car.

"There is a lot of speculation and a lot of innuendo," Bowman said. "We are not releasing anything of evidentiary value. Our detectives are working tirelessly and with due diligence to make sure this case is not tainted, and that we're able to get an impartial jury."