GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #3

[Linda7NJ]

not about an affair, about an affair with a man...but you knew that..

What difference does it make ? Does it make one to you? It doesn't to me.
If there is a lover, of either sex, it could be a motive. That's what's important. IMO not who he's bedding.
An affair is an affair.


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[newone]

It's not about bashing LE or guilt or innocence, it's about bad investigative procedure. I didn't cause these facts, Pierce did. But as a juror, I'm not going to like this. It doesn't just look like a railroad...it is one.

Do you think LE had radio mics open and/or cams to video this interaction with JH?

 

[CHERIE.T]

Thud...
It feels like Groundhog Day

IMO


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:floorlaugh: I hate that movie.

 

[BrianInBirmingham]

I'm a bit disturbed that you think we would be having fun in a thread about a dead child.

No one is smearing. We are speculating, which is allowed. If it bugs you, no one is holding a gun to make you read the posts.

I actually had a pretty good time tonight. I'll try and be more somber tomorrow. . Good night.

 

[blue22]

not about an affair, about an affair with a man...but you knew that..

I am talking about the bug in the ear comment. People have affairs. GASP, even with the same gender. This is life, it happens. If he can have an affair with a woman, then the opposite can be true. To be honest, I don't think an affair even happened. With that said... It's life, why are you so offended by something that actually happens in a daily basis in relationships?

 

[gngr~snap]

There was no time length to conduct an investigation. Pierce had Harris in handcuffs and in the back of a police car before he could even hang up with his wife. That's remiss and not at all any sort of investigative procedure. Give a decent attorney 12 people and opening statements to have this man off and shopping a lawsuit.

What if police had called her first and she said he abuses us?
Not saying she did. We are speculating here.
Maybe verbal/mental abuse so no bruise or proof outside the 4 walls they live in?
moo

 

[tambo]

I believe at that time she was already with police and had been told. Obviously I could be wrong..
I just don't think they would randomly call her like that not knowing where she was or what she was doing.
It seems like they knew she was in a safe place...
moo

I hope so...I hadn't heard that...but I really hope so.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Do you think LE had radio mics open and/or cams to video this interaction with JH?

For sure, I would certainly hope so


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[CHERIE.T]

It's not about bashing LE or guilt or innocence, it's about bad investigative procedure. I didn't cause these facts, Pierce did. But as a juror, I'm not going to like this. It doesn't just look like a railroad...it is one.

prove it
PS You won' be a juror

 

[popsicle]

Really? Or are we just having fun smearing him and seeing what might stick. I don't know if he is guilty or innocent, and I won't know that until there is more evidence. Right now it seems most of it is rumor and innuendo,

jmo

Well lets see...they had breakfast at home before leaving, reportedly. Then he gets breakfast again before work.... so it is logical to wonder if maybe he was meeting someone. hmm

 

[blue22]

prove it

:floorlaugh:

Good luck with that!!

 

[gngr~snap]

Do you think LE had radio mics open and/or cams to video this interaction with JH?

If she was already at the station, there is a very good possibility.
moo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Maybe his wife went to daycare to pick her son up, found he wasn't there.
Called husband who didn't answer his phone.
Got really worried, if it's true she usually picked up @ 2:00....





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[tambo]

sorry if I sounded snippy. This is probably one case I should not comment on.

 

[popsicle]

of course she deserves the truth. and yup, somebody holding her hand probably would have been a little easier on her...instead of hearing her distraught husbund on the phone, who more than likely wasn't making any sense to her...

Guess how one Mom found out? She had just boarded a public bus on her way home from work and her husband called her.... shrieking and screaming the baby was dead. I have no links sorry. jmo

 

[gitana1]

First - I do not have a opinion on this case one way or the other. not enough facts yet.

One more comment:

Behavior after loosing a child in not logical. It is never the same for any 2 people. I lost a son. when I found out, my mind kept playing tricks on me. I kept trying to rationalize what had happened. I literally took hours for it to sink in. I cried. I paced. I cleaned his room. I had a strong appetite. I heard voices. I called a plumber to fix a toilet that had been running on for weeks. I didn't sleep for 2 days. after 40 hours someone pried a shirt of his that I had been gripping in my left hand without knowing it. People didn't recognize my voice on the phone because the stress changed my voice. I would sometimes literally forget to breath, but I walked the dog every hour.

so, my second point:
Activity after he found out his son was dead could be totally illogical. Unless he purposefully killed him. So, if you asked me based on what I have experienced (including 36 years as a nurse): Is it possible that he realized at noon or 4 that he had accidently killed his son, and then innocently did a lot of irrational things afterward?

yes, it is possible.

Snipped by me for space.

I think I can speak for everyone when I say I just want to give you a huge hug. We are all so sad to hear about the horrible loss of your precious kid.

And if he does witnesses it daily, he needs a hobby or a restraining order. It's a little creepy!

Well, if you happen to pick up your newspaper or go get coffee at the exact same time each morning that the neighbors are out, you might notice such a routine and remember it well, especially if you exchange pleasantries with the neighbors each morning.

Btw, my phone auto correct changed "neighbors" to "birth bits" as I typed. What the heck?

I'm comfortable saying no to all your questions - otherwise, they'd be charging him with intent to murder. He's been charged with gross negligence, not intent.

Except they still might.

...and I would like to add that the witness or witnesses saying that Harris was behaving like he was "acting" or "theatrical" didn't start coming in until almost a week later. The only thing I smelled then was witness tampering. ... And for those beating the drum, no one denies that the actions of the father led to the death of this child. This thread is about more "sinister" motives and is not a memorial to this poor, poor child. I can't drive the a parking lot without being haunted by this terrible tragedy.[modsnip] Because they do....[modsnip] ... Whether you endorse laws against it or not... Approximately one in ten million American humans (mostly children) will die in a hot car a year until some inventor and manufacturers solve it.

To be fair, we don't know what those witnesses said to LE at the scene. We don't know that they just came forward a week later. We know that's when their statements to the media were reported or stated.

Do you believe a parent in general can forget a child is still in their car and accidently leave them there?

You didn't ask me but if it's okay, I'd like to answer. I think it's possible, but rare. Only about 38 cases per year.

I think it is more likely to occur with the following:
1. Parents on drugs or drinking.
2. Parents with a cognitive disorder or mental illness.
3. Parents not as bonded to their children as most are or as they should be.
4. Extremely exhausted, overworked and super pressured parents.

Although I can't imagine ever forgetting my kid in the car, ever, for a moment (I'm paranoid), and find it super hard to understand, I do not share the opinion of some others that such tragedies are always criminal.

I think accidents happen. I think gross mistakes can occur that lead to horrible tragedy. I don't think any one of us can claim to be perfect and I know every single parent out there has made a mistake that could have, with a tiny twist of fate, led to terrible tragedy. Not every error or mistake is negligence or should be treated criminally.

However, forgetting a 22 month old at 9:00 am 3 minutes after eating breakfast with him and strapping him into the car, seems pretty impossible. Unless the parent is on something or just had a stroke or something.

Further, I think the reactions and conduct of the parent involved has a lot to do with what they are charged with or if they are are charged at all. It seems to me that the more grief and shock a parent shows, the less
Likely they are to be charged.

The level of charges in this case are absolutely, 100% unprecedented in a situation where a parent didn't knowingly leave their child in the car. Stunning charges. So I think something evident and very significant occurred at the scene to cause the arrest.

I don't doubt Randy Travis as much as I doubt the unnamed source especially with compeer forensics... Computer forensics can be misleading without a tremendous amount of analysis. I think they have something about a dog in a hot car... But it sometimes takes weeks to fully understand it and after thorough analysis they may discover that in the course of all activity it makes perfect sense.

That's fair. We don't know if someone in the department overheard or read something they don't understand forensically.

 

[Linda7NJ]

sorry if I sounded snippy. This is probably one case I should not comment on.

And why is that?


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[newone]

of course she deserves the truth. and yup, somebody holding her hand probably would have been a little easier on her...instead of hearing her distraught husbund on the phone, who more than likely wasn't making any sense to her...

having had the ''phone call from hell'' myself years ago, it's not like the movies no officer came to our house and no one held my hand....freaking phone call is sometimes all you bloody well get period dot


and yes it sucks

but it's the loss that sucks more

 

[tambo]

Well lets see...they had breakfast at home before leaving, reportedly. Then he gets breakfast again before work.... so it is logical to wonder if maybe he was meeting someone. hmm

oh, I didn't know that the dad had breakfast, I heard that mom gave cooper breakfast, but then again, I have no idea where that came from. As far as I know...heck maybe nobody had breakfast.

 

[CHERIE.T]

There was no time length to conduct an investigation. Pierce had Harris in handcuffs and in the back of a police car before he could even hang up with his wife. That's remiss and not at all any sort of investigative procedure. Give a decent attorney 12 people and opening statements to have this man off and shopping a lawsuit.

Oh puleazzze,
when a man pulls his dead child-- in rigor--- out of the car saying 'hes choking'..... LE did the right thing....slap cuffs on him and book um Danno /////