GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #3

[Linda7NJ]

Police warrants show dad researched child deaths inside hot cars

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/crime/2014/06/28/justin-ross-harris-child-hot-car-death/11609645/


During an interview with Justin, He stated that he recently researched, through the internet, child deaths inside vehicles and what temperature it needs to be for that to occur. Justin stated that he was fearful that this could happen.

Seems like the reporters sources were stellar!!!


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[Sonya610]

I don't believe that most of these stories are one time horrible accidents. I think they are evidence of a slack attitude and parents who do not prioritize their children's safety above EVERYTHING else.

Actually this typically happens with people that have a regular routine and rarely take the kids (i.e. father that drives to work every day alone, and then one day he is supposed to drop the baby off at the daycare).

It is often different for the full time "mother" because part of their brain is devoted to the constant query of "Where is the baby? Are they safe? What are they doing?".

We have all experienced getting on the road to a regular destination and then realizing we "forgot" to make that side stop/errand along the way, we just coasted along and did the regular thing in autodrive.

 

[popsicle]

So now to believe in an "accident"...we have to add to the list...

In how many previous cases are there these qualifications:


There is "forgetting."

Then there is "forgetting after a very short interval."

Then there is "forgetting after a very short interval when you have just had physical interaction with the child."

Then there is "forgetting after a very short interval when you have just had a physical interaction with the child and he is awake WHEN FORGOTTEN.

Now there is forgetting after a very short interval when you have just had a physical interaction with the child and he is awake when forgotten...and you are so obsessed with fear of this type of thing happening...that you have been googling it.

How often are all those circumstances present in a valid case of innocent "forgetting?" Id like to know some statistics.

I found this helpful.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...e0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

 

[NancyA]

So he did research the hot car deaths? I think that lays to rest any speculation that the reporter who first indicated he'd received such info from his sources had somehow just made it up for the sensation factor. Now just remains to know how recently. A few days prior and I'm more inclined toward premeditation, if it were that day I'm leaning toward something triggered him to remember Cooper was in the car prior to his lunchtime visit.

 

[CHERIE.T]

But we don't know that. We don't know he wouldn't have fallen asleep. We don't know anything about the way the child behaved in the car seat at all. Just because everyone else has different experiences doesn't mean it has anything to do with this kid. I don't get why people constantly put up their own different life experiences as a way of examining evidence in a case.

If he didn't get out of the car at the chikfila he could have forgotten him in the back of the car. It IS possible that the child fell asleep. It is possible that there wasn't a horrible smell. It's possible.

That's why I like to focus on the facts and the things we can see as evidence.

Even the google search, say he suddenly remembers in the middle of the morning he's left his son in the car! He immediately googles it because it takes seconds and he's an IT guy, is it too long? He thinks it's too late and his son is already dead and he googles for a second just to check. Maaaybe they can argue it that way.

So what is it that made the cops immediately arrest him?

I agree with the other posters who point out that in all the previous stories we've read about hyperthermia, we haven't seen any statements about a reeking odor in the car. So I'm not sure that this is a clue yet.

I also think the cops are holding back in revealing details because they don't want him to have time to come up with an excuse for what he did. A defense attorney's job is going to be to break it down and make it look like it was an innocent coincidence.

If he DID take the child out of the car at Chik-fila, then he really has no reasonable argument that he 'forgot him" going back to the office. But I'd need to see evidence that he took him out of the car at the restaurant.

bbm
We do not know when the google search was done.
You're also wrong about there not being a reeking odor confirmation.
Scroll back ...that was linked a lot here last night.

 

[Linda7NJ]

bbm

We do not know when the google search was done.

You're also wrong about there not being a reeking odor confirmation.

Scroll back ...that was linked a lot here last night.

"In the days before" in the above link.


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[Karmady]

But we don't know that. We don't know he wouldn't have fallen asleep. We don't know anything about the way the child behaved in the car seat at all. Just because everyone else has different experiences doesn't mean it has anything to do with this kid. I don't get why people constantly put up their own different life experiences as a way of examining evidence in a case.

If he didn't get out of the car at the chikfila he could have forgotten him in the back of the car. It IS possible that the child fell asleep. It is possible that there wasn't a horrible smell. It's possible.

That's why I like to focus on the facts and the things we can see as evidence.

Even the google search, say he suddenly remembers in the middle of the morning he's left his son in the car! He immediately googles it because it takes seconds and he's an IT guy, is it too long? He thinks it's too late and his son is already dead and he googles for a second just to check. Maaaybe they can argue it that way.

So what is it that made the cops immediately arrest him?

I agree with the other posters who point out that in all the previous stories we've read about hyperthermia, we haven't seen any statements about a reeking odor in the car. So I'm not sure that this is a clue yet.

I also think the cops are holding back in revealing details because they don't want him to have time to come up with an excuse for what he did. A defense attorney's job is going to be to break it down and make it look like it was an innocent coincidence.

If he DID take the child out of the car at Chik-fila, then he really has no reasonable argument that he 'forgot him" going back to the office. But I'd need to see evidence that he took him out of the car at the restaurant.

The arrest warrant says he put him back in the car seat at Chik-fil-a. So he must have taken him out of the car, right? That's one of the first things I was looking for -- whether he drove through.

 

[stmarysmead]

Imagine the police at the scene, looking at this poor child, knowing how the baby suffered, and the Father claiming on one had that he had no clue...and then telling them..."gee, I was just googling about how long it would take to die in a hot car!"

 

[Linda7NJ]

Imagine the police at the scene, looking at this poor child, knowing how the baby suffered, and the Father claiming on one had that he had no clue...and then telling them..."gee, I was just googling about how long it would take to die in a hot car!"

Not just how long.... But at what temp! Like he was baking a frigging cake!


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[Linda7NJ]

According to the official warrants:

On 06/18/14 at 1624 hrs Pct 3 officers responded to 2955 Akers Mill Rd, Atlanta GA regarding a person down call. When the officers arrived on scene they discovered that Cooper Harris 08-02-12 was deceased. The CAP unit was contacted and responded to the scene regarding a homicide investigation. Justin Harris, the deceased subject's father was witnessed pulling into the parking lot of Uncle Maddio's Pizza, 2955 Akers Mill Rd in a 2011 Hyundai Tucson, GA tag.... The vehicle came to a sudden stop. Justin quickly exited the vehicle, opened the driver side passenger door and pulled his child, Cooper Harris out of the vehicle. Justin was witnessed yelling "Oh my god what have I done". He then began doing CPR on the child. When someone came to assist Justin he stopped providing medical attention to the child and started making calls on his cell phone. EMS responded to the scene. It was obvious that the child was deceased. Justin stated that he went to work that morning and forgot to drop the child off at day care. Justin left his residence, took the child to Chic-fil-A in Vinings and then went to work. The child was left in the vehicle since approximately 0930 hrs this morning until he was discovered by Justin at around 1620 hrs when he was driving to meet up with some friends. The temperature was in the 90's for most of the day. During an interview with Justin, He stated that he recently researched, through the internet, child deaths inside vehicles and what temperature it needs to be for that to occur. Justin stated that he was fearful that this could happen.
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[laceandruffles]

So did he offer the info on the search results, or did LE confront him about them?

per the report he offered at the scene (at least that's the way I read it). Plus no report of choking, dispatched as a man down call.

 

[Linda7NJ]

per the report he offered at the scene (at least that's the way I read it). Plus no report of choking, dispatched as a man down call.

That was stated by the witnesses. It would be in their written statements.

This affidavit does not need to include that.

IMO



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[Chewy]

See, the spinning started right on the crime scene. He knew they'd find the search and then this anguish of "I was so worried this could happen." Well let's see what he really looked up. Because IMO if he really was afraid of it happening to a child then he'd have looked up "child left in car" not "animal." IMO if he looked up animal it was an attempt to avoid detection. Perhaps he figured he'd be able to hide the real search.

 

[Sonya610]

Did he place a thermometer inside the vehicle at lunch? Did he park the vehicle in full sun, I wonder?

Chances are very great that the vehicle was in full sun. Trying to find shade in an outdoor parking lot in GA is virtually impossible! The whole state is covered in trees but there is virtually never a tree in a parking lot (as a dog owner I know this).

 

[snowblossom2]

Yeah but the fact is people do/say stupid things especially when panicking and trying to come up with a story in the last second.

If this was in fact murder then stopping at Chick-fil-A in advance was really twisted. Everyone knows fast food restaurants are loaded with security cameras, to decide to stop in and get video of him and the "happy healthy little boy that was so adored by his Daddy" as further proof of his "innocence" is sickening (but if done intentionally rather smart too).

I was watching a show on ID (sorry, can't remember which) and an expert talked about how often times, if a parent is planning on killing their child, they will give them something like their favorite food beforehand...not saying this is the reason but it could be

Oh! It was an episode about a mother burning down the house and killing her child for insurance - she gave him choc ice cream as it was his fave treat, then put him to bed w an extra dose of cough medicine. Maybe Deadly Women?

 

[Linda7NJ]

See, the spinning started right on the crime scene. He knew they'd find the search and then this anguish of "I was so worried this could happen." Well let's see what he really looked up. Because IMO if he really was afraid of it happening to a child then he'd have looked up "child left in car" not "animal." IMO if he looked up animal it was an attempt to avoid detection. Perhaps he figured he'd be able to hide the real search.

Or he did vast amounts of research including information about animals.

Apparently because just knowing that leaving children in cars alone is dangerous wasn't enough...eyeroll!!!!

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[Chewy]

The arrest warrant says he put him back in the car seat at Chik-fil-a. So he must have taken him out of the car, right? That's one of the first things I was looking for -- whether he drove through.

I hope we get this detail, drive through paints and entirely different story. But if he took him out of the car my reasonable doubt is gone. :twocents:

 

[popsicle]

According to the official warrants:

On 06/18/14 at 1624 hrs Pct 3 officers responded to 2955 Akers Mill Rd, Atlanta GA regarding a person down call. When the officers arrived on scene they discovered that Cooper Harris 08-02-12 was deceased. The CAP unit was contacted and responded to the scene regarding a homicide investigation. Justin Harris, the deceased subject's father was witnessed pulling into the parking lot of Uncle Maddio's Pizza, 2955 Akers Mill Rd in a 2011 Hyundai Tucson, GA tag.... The vehicle came to a sudden stop. Justin quickly exited the vehicle, opened the driver side passenger door and pulled his child, Cooper Harris out of the vehicle. Justin was witnessed yelling "Oh my god what have I done". He then began doing CPR on the child. When someone came to assist Justin he stopped providing medical attention to the child and started making calls on his cell phone. EMS responded to the scene. It was obvious that the child was deceased. Justin stated that he went to work that morning and forgot to drop the child off at day care. Justin left his residence, took the child to Chic-fil-A in Vinings and then went to work. The child was left in the vehicle since approximately 0930 hrs this morning until he was discovered by Justin at around 1620 hrs when he was driving to meet up with some friends. The temperature was in the 90's for most of the day. During an interview with Justin, He stated that he recently researched, through the internet, child deaths inside vehicles and what temperature it needs to be for that to occur. Justin stated that he was fearful that this could happen.
From Popsicles link


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Really want to know what day care told LE.

 

[stmarysmead]

I found this helpful.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...e0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

Sad stories, but I am talking about a specific grouping of elements here...that makes this look much different from those tragedies. The short distance from Chick-Fil-a....the fact that he had "hands on" the child at Chick-Fil-a only moments before arriving at work...and having googled the "specifications" about this type of death. Why did he need to know "how long?"

In how many of these sad cases, were each of these elements present? What are the statistics on a Dad forgetting a child moments after he has once again interacted with the child? And how many of these sad cases had googled how long to die?

 

[laceandruffles]

per the report he offered at the scene (at least that's the way I read it). Plus no report of choking, dispatched as a man down call.

Revising my own post. It was during an interview that he offered up the internet searches. This was probably after he was taken into custody. But before he was arrested.