GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #3

[tlcya]

I'm pleased that the warrants were released today: The continuing conversation about how police "denied it" or "refuted the rumor" - should cease. It doesn't get more "verified" than a search warrant.

I wonder the impetus for his statement regarding his web searches? Why admit to the searches before they found them? I'm curious if it's because, as an IT professional, he knew they'd find it eventually...or if he thought that admitting it would reinforce the "I was scared of the boogeyman, and then he got me".

In my opinion, the chances of performing that web search and then having that very web search (child death car etc) play into your life coincidentally - well, the chances are about par with the boogeyman.

Imo, naturally.

edit: I'm commenting on his statement to police, which was quoted off the search warrant. Link upthread.)

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BBM, there are those who will say that would suggest a consciousness of guilt. I am one of those.

There are those who will argue that this poor poor forgetful soul is so distraught that he blurted out his fear had become reality and why would he announce such a thing if he really was guilty. I am not one of those.

I think you pegged it

 

[blue22]

I'm not familiar with the release of search warrants - insofar as time frame - but I did note that, per the article listed upthread, the father never formally requested furlough for the funeral services.

Interesting, that. I've seen - first-hand - prisoners in county jail (Cook County, Chicago) receive furlough for funeral services. Yes, it's in handcuffs. Yes, you have Sheriff deputies alongside you. But, you get to attend.
I am surprised he didn't apply for it: It's not about the parent's embarrassment at being in custody...it's about that final respect/goodbye that's owed to the baby.

JMO

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They have said they do not allow for transport of prisoners on grounds of compassion. (Funerals, etc.) It's just their policy. If he had requested, I don't think we would know, because he can't appeal for it. They just don't do it.

 

[Hoosgirl]

You know what has been bothering me from the start of this sad, horrifying case? I just had a recent sudden death in the family, and my eyes were so red and swollen that afternoon from crying so much. When you look at his mug shot, I don't see ANY evidence of recent tears or upset. His eyes are totally clear, no swelling, nothing. It just seems inexplicable to me. Like so much of this case.

 

[Sonya610]

yes that has puzzled me, what are his normal working hours.

Yeah I brought that up a few pages back. If he went into work "late" that morning it would reduce the risk of co-workers seeing the child in the car as they came through the parking lot.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

According to search warrants from a Cobb County magistrate court, investigators seized a number of items from the father's home: An iPhone 5, Hyundai car, home laptop computer, computer tower, a Google Chromecast Internet searcher and other electronic devices.

On the day Cooper died, Harris stopped for breakfast at a fast-food restaurant and afterward strapped his son into a rear-facing child restraint seat on his SUV's back seat, police said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/28/justice/georgia-toddler-death/index.html

Is the Hyandai car seized from the home a separate car than the one Harris was driving that day?

:waitasec:

 

[blue22]

Yeah and that is just plain STUPID on the part of the criminals. If they kept their mouth SHUT regarding internet searches it would come down to "prove no one else accessed the computer, prove it must have been this individual" etc....

We have the right to remain silent, but very few criminals have the ability.

Exactly.

They think if they can explain something, it can be viewed an innocent mistake that the thing just happened. Recent searches and your kid ends up dead the hottest day. Good try, dude...but thanks for the noose.

 

[Jayarre]

They have said they do not allow for transport of prisoners on grounds of compassion. (Funerals, etc.) It's just their policy. If he had requested, I don't think we would know, because he can't appeal for it. They just don't do it.

Also the funeral is out of state in Alabama.

 

[tlcya]

I'm not familiar with the release of search warrants - insofar as time frame - but I did note that, per the article listed upthread, the father never formally requested furlough for the funeral services.

Interesting, that. I've seen - first-hand - prisoners in county jail (Cook County, Chicago) receive furlough for funeral services. Yes, it's in handcuffs. Yes, you have Sheriff deputies alongside you. But, you get to attend.
I am surprised he didn't apply for it: It's not about the parent's embarrassment at being in custody...it's about that final respect/goodbye that's owed to the baby.

JMO

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Justin Ross Harris, 33, won’t be allowed to attend a planned service for 22-month-old Cooper in his home town of Tuscaloosa, Alabama on Saturday.
In many states, inmates are granted a temporary leave of absence – or furlough – on compassionate grounds to attend funerals.

Pre-trial inmates - such as Harris - can request permission under a special court order but Cobb County in Georgia where the death occurred does not grant them under any circumstances.

Cobb County Sheriff’s Department, which is in charge of Harris’ detention, told MailOnline: ‘We do not transport inmates to funeral services, that’s it, that’s our policy.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...takes-animals-die-hot-cars.html#ixzz35xCbQtzc

 

[gitana1]

I've been wondering that, too. At the press conference, Bowman said "officers were on routine patrols" but then I've seen something recently (last night or this morning) about "responding to a man down call". I guess he could gave meant they were on routine patrols until they were called for this incident.

yes, conflicting reports. articles and statements from LE have seemed to indicate officers happened on the scene but SWs indicate officers responded to man down type call.

Maybe first officer on scene then called in the man down?

I watched the Presser and it clearly stated that the officers were on routine patrol when they noticed a crowd gathered And found the baby.

Curious, what made you think that? I never got that from this case, since they have his devices...I would think they'd have found some already and added charges. JMO!

Man, this case is bad enough what with a baby being slow cooked to death by his own daddy.

I did note that he spent less than 7 hrs at work that day.

So mom wouldn't make the discovery at daycare, I bet. This person had everything well planned, from the high temps that day, to trying to create distractions, to checking on "progress", to orchestrating the "discovery".

Hideous.

 

[Sonya610]

Also wanted to add....this guy ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

If this was in fact murder he had an accomplice that built his courage and had the same goal (whatever the goal was).

 

[gngr~snap]

Let's hope not. We don't need a Sandusky jr.

It crossed my mind.
He is a member of GHSA, AAFOA referee associations and a referee, but he doesn't currently have an athletic build. IMO
I guess he played football at one time.
Not a lot of weekend free time with the family during the season IMO
https://touch.www.linkedin.com/?ses...//www.linkedin.com/pub/ross-harris/2b/974/9a0
"Alabama High School Athletic Association, Georgia High School Athletics, Atlanta Area Football Officials Association."
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/smyrna/2014/06/20/justin-ross-harris-hot-car-death/11147105/
"Harris, a Home Depot employee who also refereed high school football games, entered a not guilty plea on Thursday."

They always search for that.

And they keep saying even more horrible stuff is coming....

Im just trying to brace myself.


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[blue22]

Any speculation as to why the charges haven't been bumped back up, yet? I wonder if they magistrate didn't think the search alone was enough and they had to find more? I would think it's enough for the charge and a jury could hash out the degree of the felony.

 

[tlcya]

I watched the Presser and it clearly stated that the officers were on routine patrol when they noticed a crowd gathered And found the baby.

Respectfully snipped

Yes, I watched and heard it too. But the actual search warrants state officers responded to a man down call. I think first officers onscene were attracted by the hubbub and they then called in the man down which got other officers onscene and the EMT dispatched. JMO

 

[blue22]

Let's hope not. We don't need a Sandusky jr.

It crossed my mind.
He is a member and referee, but he doesn't currently have an athletic build. IMO
I guess he played football at one time.
Not a lot of weekend frre tike during the season IM9
https://touch.www.linkedin.com/?ses...//www.linkedin.com/pub/ross-harris/2b/974/9a0
"Alabama*High School*Athletic Association, GeorgiaHigh School*Athletics, Atlanta Area*Football OfficialsAssociation."
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/smyrna/2014/06/20/justin-ross-harris-hot-car-death/11147105/
"Harris, a Home Depot employee who also refereed high school football games, entered a not guilty plea on Thursday."

But high school boys are not the same as a young child. It's a completely different perversion.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

In pondering this, I wonder how many hundreds - thousands - of parents out there are right now saying oh God, I could do that. That could happen to me.

I hope they are researching ways to prevent this - the best I've seen so far is to put your phone or one shoe back with the child. That would work.

That is a good idea about placing alongside the child something you will need before you get out of the car... To prevent forgetting...

:waitasec:

However... IMO... I do not think that would have been helpful in this case...

 

[tlcya]

Any speculation as to why the charges haven't been bumped back up, yet? I wonder if they magistrate didn't think the search alone was enough and they had to find more? I would think it's enough for the charge and a jury could hash out the degree of the felony.

can't they add to the charges or bump them up just as easily as they were bumped down if they find evidence they feel will convince a jury of premeditation or malice (things not required under the current charges)?

 

[blue22]

That is a good idea about placing alongside the child something you will need before you get out of the car... To prevent forgetting...

:waitasec:

However... IMO... I do not think that would have been helpful in this case...

No, it wouldn't. You can't prevent purposeful "forgetting."

Anyone comparing this man to other situations, is ridiculous. This is a completely different situation here.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Bigfoot exists?

ython:

:giggle:

 

[blue22]

can't they add to the charges or bump them up just as easily as they were bumped down if they find evidence they feel will convince a jury of premeditation or malice (things not required under the current charges?

I would think so. I don't think enough time has passed for them to have all the forensics on the devices. I would not be surprised if there are more or higher charges when that is complete. To me, it just seems they had enough that night for the original charge.

 

[popsicle]

No, it wouldn't. You can't prevent purposeful "forgetting."

Anyone comparing this man to other situations, is ridiculous. This is a completely different situation here.

As LE told us from the beginning. hmm