GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6

[AgentFrankLundy]

Bond hearing Thursday afternoon, sounds like he will get bond.

 

[Chewy]

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Then I will. New Years Eve, 1994. My daughter, her dad, and I were going to the home of friends for a quiet dinner on NYE. We were already running late when I said we should stop and pull down the Christmas Tree. We had been neglectful about watering it after Christmas, and the idea of cheap light strings, dry needles, and tissue paper made me nervous. I said "I don't want to come home and find the house burned down."

He grumbled, and so all we did was drag the tree outside, and planned to deal with it in the morning.

When we got home, we found... the house had burned (not to the ground, but we were out of it for several months) and not ONE neighbor even called the fire department.

Did I set the fire? NO! Of course not! Did I "know" it would happen? I did NOT. But it seemed too risky to take the chance. Obviously the fire was completely unrelated to the Christmas Tree, but my "premonition" attributed the predicted fire to the most likely potential culprit.

What caused the fire?

to me that speaks "volumes"

How so? I'm not following this line of thought?

 

[Cinnamon]

I wouldn't go so far as to assume, but I do think they probably maintain the same level of function at each office. With SO many developers, I can't see one person having to stay late too many times. Often (as it is at my husband's employment) the staying late rotates among the same positions. I don't see it likely that he himself would have to stay late often, but I'm sure the developers in general have to do this. (Does that make any sense? lol)

Yep, makes sense. :smile: TY!

 

[SuperTmo]

Guesses on what happens Thursday when he goes to court? If the DA's case is as strong as it appears to me, I say no bond or 1Million.

He certainly isn't a danger to any other children in the home and he has ties to the community and he has a place to go unless the LL requests that they leave for some reason. I suspect in that case he could stay with family.

My guess is that if he is released, he wont be able to stop himself from talking to any and all. jmo.

I think he will be released on a high bond paid by their donation website (if it is still up and running) and money from friends/family. This is my hope, because based on his selfishly making Cooper's funeral about HIMSELF, I think he is a narcissist and will talk, talk, talk! I want to hear what leaks out when he has the chance to talk freely!

 

[Lyra500]

:waitasec: Could you kindly point out to me where it says that Ross told LE he went to his car at lunchtime?

LE obtained that info later, most likely from witnesses, security footage or both.

I agree.

The second set of warrants which have been released for the seizure of IT equipment etc all have the same summary of events. It outlines what RH told LE and the return to the car at lunchtime is not mentioned in any of them. The warrants are available on the WS media thread.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2014/06/28/merged_document.pdf

Justin stated that he went to work that morning and forgot to drop the child off at day care. Justin left his residence, 1212 Wynnes Ridge Cir, Marietta GA, took the child to Chic Fila in Vinings and then went to work. The child was left in the vehicle since approximately 0930 hrs this morning until he was discovered by Justin at around 1620 hrs when he was driving to meet up with some friends.

I do not think that this confirms that the information about returning to the car at lunchtime came from RH at all.

I suspect the evidence may well have come to light when LE went to RH's workplace between attending the parking lot and arresting him later the same evening. It could quite easily have been perusal of CCTV.

As another FM has noted, if his initial statement to LE made no mention of the return to the car at lunchtime and they then saw this on CCTV or found out from work colleagues, that would be more than enough for an arrest in my view.

 

[DeDee]

The wording of the reports suggests they did far more than 'look up' about children in hot cars. The wording suggests that they looked at the temperature required for a child to die in a hot car. I honestly cannot think of an innocent or logical reason for why anyone would need to know that.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/warrant-cobb-toddlers-dad-researched-child-deaths-/ngT3H/

The family have been in Alabama since before Cooper was born and he was nearly two years old when he died - why would they suddenly need to check up on an issue which everyone is well aware of (be it children or pets) just days before he actually dies in a hot car? Everyone knows not to leave pets or children in a hot car - for goodness sake, I live in the UK, hardly a global hot spot, and Everyone here knows not to do that, so I simply do not believe that they were not well aware of the dangers without needing to research.

And seriously, if you are worried about the possibility of your child dying in a hot car then you look for what to do to avoid it happening, not what temperature is required to ensure that they do die. Why do you need to know that? If it said they could die within an hour when the temperature was 80 degrees does that mean it is a good idea to experiment with leaving them in a car at 75 degrees for an hour and ten minutes? Of course it doesn't - the only thing you need to know is NOT to leave them in the car in the first place!*

EDIT I have just read far enough to find a post with some actual times and temperatures showing my suggestions were very wide of the mark. It could take just minutes. That is because I never bothered to look up the details for my child - i never ever left her alone in the car whatever the weather.

That makes the father's story even less convincing in my view. If he actually searched and found out figures suggesting death could occur in well under an hour and he actually was worried about this happening to his son, how could he possibly forget him in the car as claimed. Totally incredible.

You pegged it, Lyra500. Hasn't a probable TOD been established here today to be within 30 minutes either way around eleven o'clock?

“During an interview with Justin, he stated that he recently researched, through the internet, child deaths inside vehicles and what temperature it needs to be for that to occur,” according to search warrants.“

What temp was required for Cooper to die in the vehicle? I now believe when Justin Harris walked out to his vehicle at lunch that he may have taken a temperature gauge or started the car to view the temperature on the dash even though it really wasn't necessary. His scheme was working. Time had run out for Cooper.

At 11:52am., it was 86 degrees at the Atlanta Airport. Justin Harris' vehicle only needed to be in 80 degree heat for one hour to acquire an interior temp that would have exceeded 123 degrees. Cooper was in that furnace for 7 damm hours. This is killer evidence for premed.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

why would they suddenly need to check up on an issue which everyone is well aware of (be it children or pets) just days before he actually dies in a hot car?

There is no good reason for the need or desire, unless for nefarious purposes, to search the temperature needed for a child's death to occur inside vehicles when his child dies of hyperthermia the very next day. IMHO, the thought of googling such information is unpleasant so much that it leans toward malice with intent to kill when JHarris actually performs the google task.

Justin Harris was researching how to kill his little boy. If so, he is a murderer.

 

[newone]

It caught my attention in the Obituary "Davita teammates" my best friend works for them in a different state as a dietitian. They provide dialysis services. Maybe she works for them.

that's a field that would know a lot about diabetes

 

[matou]

Here's what to expect from Thursday's hearing, as explained by criminal defense attorney Philip Holloway (who works in the same county where Harris faces charges):

This is a preliminary hearing, which is usually called a "probable cause" hearing.
The burden of proof will be on the prosecutors. It's their responsibility to prove to a judge that a crime was probably committed in this case and that the person who likely committed that crime was Harris.
Hearsay (or information that someone gets from someone else and can't substantiate themselves) will be allowed.

and more...

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/0...oddler-death-justin-ross-harris-hearing-court

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I saw it. I also saw the information posted earlier that said it is likely the odor did not start until Cooper was jostled. Would you like links?

However... Cooper would have been jostled in the car from the car turning...stopping starting at red/green lights... Etc...

JMO

 

[matou]

Cameras will be allowed inside the courtroom for Thursday's hearing. HLN will bring you live coverage starting at 1:30 p.m. ET.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/0...oddler-death-justin-ross-harris-hearing-court

 

[princesslisa]

Prior to June 18, have you seen any indication - at all - that there were any "issues" with his son that spread to his wife?

I didn't phrase that quite right - I meant that his wife has called him the "leader" and so, it seemed that she was subservient in the relationship. Whether this had to do with religious beliefs or a lifestyle that was suited to them, or a combination of both, I don't know.

I supposed I'm surmising IF he murdered the child and IF she was aware (which we don't really have any basis for other than the 'coincidental' Googling that both have admitted to and the IMO strange comments from the eulogy) it may have been due to his own insecurities - feeling like he was raising another man's child.

Maybe he expressed those insecurities to her, that he couldn't live being a father to a child not his biologically or whatever, and she agreed to go along with killing him. It seems he was in control, and possibly was controlling, and so he may have had a big issue with this. Maybe they felt that they would try again and she would have a small chance, but a chance nonetheless, of carrying a child that was his biologically.

 

[JudyBolton]

What would a father's "normal" reaction be to discover something like this ? I am not defending the guy at all, but how do we know what a normal reaction to discovering your child is dead unless we have personally experienced it ourselves? Mainly from what we see on TV? What we imagine ? One eyewitness said there is no way he was faking it, he was very distraught. Another said it looked like he was acting. I guess it depends on your perspective . And can a psychologist please weigh in on the mother's statements (as well as the father's via phone) at the funeral? Talking about a broken world and the child not having to endure that instead of what all the child will miss out on , how Cooper "turned their world upside down? Father never mentions Cooper, or that he is sorry and responsible for his death, just says that he is sorry that he cannot be there , to which he gets a standing ovation. Don't Make No Sense !!

Agree but want to add that there were THREE witnesses who stated that they did not believe his actions at the scene - This article has the witnesses, their names, their statements and their photos:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...or-awful-day-make-supporters-think-twice.html

 

[JLSChook]

http://www.ajc.com/videos/news/raw-video-child-dies-after-being-left-in-car-for/vCfWp3/

Interesting comment. 2nd from the top.

 

[newone]

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What caused the fire?



How so? I'm not following this line of thought?

that was in response to another post which contains the following link
read the comments and watch the video you will understand better that there is a link between fertility issues and the need for sperm donation for some

http://www.socials.newenglandpregnan...rm-production/

Comment was made August 17, 2011.

Cooper's DOB was August 2, 2012.

 

[Cinnamon]

Bond hearing Thursday afternoon, sounds like he will get bond.

Is it a bond hearing or a preliminary hearing? I've only heard it referred to as the latter. Or are they the same thing?

 

[matou]

Is it a bond hearing or a preliminary hearing? I've only heard it referred to as the latter. Or are they the same thing?

The issue of bail is also expected to be addressed at this hearing (Harris is currently behind bars without bail).

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/0...oddler-death-justin-ross-harris-hearing-court

 

[JLSChook]

Cameras will be allowed inside the courtroom for Thursday's hearing. HLN will bring you live coverage starting at 1:30 p.m. ET.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/0...oddler-death-justin-ross-harris-hearing-court

Thanks, Matou! I hope other media will be live streaming because I don't get HLN. I'm pretty sure many media outlets will be covering this. lease:

 

[RainCheck]

yes low T and yep ......am thinking they required a donor based on the wife's comments cited earlier

doesn't enhance mood ((makes people irritable and gain belly fat too)) and there is a link with other endocrine disorders

My husband has the most severe form of oligospermia with less than 3 million sperm present in his ejaculation. On top of that, he has 100% abnormal morphology and complete lack of motility. In lay terms, he has an extremely low sperm count and the few sperm he does have are severely deformed and can't move. We still did not have to use a sperm donor. They were able to extract the DNA from his sperm and place it directly into my eggs through a process known as ICSI. It's not very common to have to resort to a sperm donor these days if the male as any sperm at all. Ten years ago my husband and I would have had to use a sperm donor for sure, but the advances in reproductive assistance like ICSI have really changed the game. If Cooper's father had any sperm at all its unlikely a donor had to be used. You don't get much worse than my husband and we were able to use his DNA. Only a complete absence of sperm would require a donor.

 

[popsicle]

http://www.ajc.com/videos/news/raw-video-child-dies-after-being-left-in-car-for/vCfWp3/

Interesting comment. 2nd from the top.

wow... yep.

 

[LisaB]

So he often went to bars after work?

Doesn't sound like someone that's thrilled by his home life. IMO

Considering where the daycare is in relation to his job, why in the world wouldn't he do drop off all the time???

It makes no sense to me that he didn't. IMO

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It has been mentioned that there are several medical centers in the area. It is possible his wife was employed in the same vicinity. I AM SPECULATING. I KNOW NOTHING!