GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #7

[Hamsterdance]

Do we know he was in that seat still?

AFAIK, I don't think it's been confirmed what car seat he was in.

 

[Elley Mae]

I never left my daughter in the car, forgetting her. never With that said I wondered if he is a drinker, and was out drinking the night before.

And I was a single parent, working 1st, 2nd, and 3rd shifts before was was 8.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Sure does.

I just do not believe for one second that -that is what happened in this case.

And where do you get your information that most parents who honestly and tragically leave their children in the car are doing so because they are absent minded and are not also simply negligent and exercising poor judgement as well?

How did you come to this conclusion? And how do you know that they are any less or more forgetful than me?

"The wealthy do, it turns out. And the poor, and the middle class. Parents of all ages and ethnicities do it. Mothers are just as likely to do it as fathers. It happens to the chronically absent-minded and to the fanatically organized, to the college-educated and to the marginally literate. In the last 10 years, it has happened to a dentist. A postal clerk. A social worker. A police officer. An accountant. A soldier. A paralegal. An electrician. A Protestant clergyman. A rabbinical student. A nurse. A construction worker. An assistant principal. It happened to a mental health counselor, a college professor and a pizza chef. It happened to a pediatrician. It happened to a rocket scientist."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...e0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

"ccording to statistics compiled by a national childs’ safety advocacy group, in about 40 percent of cases authorities examine the evidence, determine that the child’s death was a terrible accident -- a mistake of memory that delivers a lifelong sentence of guilt far greater than any a judge or jury could mete out -- and file no charges."

 

[SStarr33]

Sure does.

I just do not believe for one second that -that is what happened in this case.

And where do you get your information that most parents who honestly and tragically leave their children in the car are doing so because they are absent minded and are not also simply negligent and exercising poor judgement as well?

How did you come to this conclusion?

That's fine--you are allowed an opinion that it didn't happen in this case just like I am allowed to think that people are innocent until proven guilty.

And I never said most parents--I said most stories I have read which I found links to right here on WS

 

[Hamsterdance]

Also, not sure how old Cooper was in that car seat photo, but he looks a lot younger than 2 years. Maybe around 9-12 months? So if he was using that car seat, he would have been bigger and come up higher on the back of it.

 

[LisaB]

you have to wonder too if any coworkers asked him point blank that day, 'how's your boy' doing?

Especially if he had been sick and Dad had been complaining of being tired.

 

[Chewy]

Sure does.

I just do not believe for one second that -that is what happened in this case.

And where do you get your information that most parents who honestly and tragically leave their children in the car are doing so because they are absent minded and are not also simply negligent and exercising poor judgement as well?

How did you come to this conclusion?

I absolutely agree with you that an attentive parent doesn't forget a kid in a car. Period the end.

I've read the sob stories too and they usually involved the"Greatest Dad in the World" or "Greatest Mom in the World" putting their kid in the car and then thinking "that's taken care of" driving off and being distracted about ideas of work or other multitasking including using cell phones and just blowing past the drop off and forgetting to make the stop.

You've never read a story about a parent who sang songs to their child the entire drive, kept checking the rear view mirror, kept their focus on the ROAD and the safety of their child in the car, doing this. It's always people who are unsafe and unfocused on the road to begin with.

And although this may seem like it's not really a relevant point, it's actually the crux of the entire case against RH. It seems to me he got confused (as some other's here may have as well) about what "forgetting your kid in your car" really means.

It's not like a cell phone and "oh shoot whoops I left it in the car" or a credit card at a store "oh whoops I left it on the counter." It's impossible to "forget" to take your kid out of the car seat when you step out of the car.

When these incidents have happened, the parents forgot about their child and their child's safety LONG before they ever arrived at their destination. And that is why the stop at CF is his undoing. You don't do this in a matter of 2-3 minutes. It takes longer than that to "forget" your child.

Interesting ideas. Thanks for making me think. :twocents:

 

[Nana46]

Well I am gonna celebrate Tlcya's birthday and go shopping and then see the movie Tammy!!

I hope I can check in on you guys from my phone!! Don't have 96363544 pages for me to read tonight:blushing:

 

[octobermoon]

But unfortunately, some people do. Even those who are ultra-vigilant have a change in routine and they forget their child in the car. It happens.

How many of those researched the temperature it takes to kill a child in a car just prior (recently) to their own child dying in a hot car? How many of those feared it enough to research it on the internet?

 

[renarde]

AFAIK, I don't think it's been confirmed what car seat he was in.

I've looked at the photos of his car after he pulled over. I tried to see a car seat but couldn't even make one out. The angle of the pictures and the window tinting make it difficult to see, even through the open driver's side door. My question is, if it was a tall rear-facing seat positioned in the middle, would it be visible in those pictures?

 

[Elley Mae]

Also, not sure how old Cooper was in that car seat photo, but he looks a lot younger than 2 years. Maybe around 9-12 months? So if he was using that car seat, he would have been bigger and come up higher on the back of it.

I noticed the straps are in the middle of the three openings, for height.

 

[Spice]

That's fine--you are allowed an opinion that it didn't happen in this case just like I am allowed to think that people are innocent until proven guilty.

BBM

Absolutely

And I never said most parents--I said most stories I have read which I found links to right here on WS

What you said was that most parents that do this, are like me, and maybe even not as forgetful as I am. It was personalized. It was also a sweeping statement that parents who do this innocently and without intent of murder are absent minded. I am curious as to how you know this and how you can make this statement with certainty. Leaving a child in a car, is poor judgement and neglect, not absentmindedness. Generally, they make very bad decisions and leave the child in the car while running into the store or doing some other errand.

I questioned how you could possibly know this about these people, and how you could possibly know or measure that most of these people are less absent minded than I appear to be?

 

[gngr~snap]

Who asked for an aerial map of JRH office?
I can't find the post to reply.

The address media is giving is-
2600 Cumberland Pkwy SE,*Atlanta,*GA*30339

33°52'12.8"N 84°28'26.4"W
http://goo.gl/maps/ShScP

2747-2853 Cumberland Club Dr
Atlanta, GA 30339

http://goo.gl/maps/0QcUY

33.870237, -84.474005

http://jetp.ac/sJ04

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=202682942197461270558.0004c0caec9d9cfe4ac9a
^^^^the best view imo^^^
Maybe one of these will show an aerial without having to change the layers.
I posted a few in the media thread.

 

[Chewy]

I've looked at the photos of his car after he pulled over. I tried to see a car seat but couldn't even make one out. The angle of the pictures and the window tinting make it difficult to see, even through the open driver's side door. My question is, if it was a tall rear-facing seat positioned in the middle, would it be visible in those pictures?

My concern with the window tinting is if he should have seen him in the afternoon. It's one thing if he walked forward away from the car and then back, but if he walked from the back of the car he should have seen him.

I'm also curious if they can get pictures of how he parked and where he parked that day. It would be VERY compelling to me as a juror if I felt that he had changed to park out in the sun (away from the tree) that day, or changed the direction and orientation of how he pulled into the spot.

 

[SStarr33]

How many of those researched the temperature it takes to kill a child in a car just prior (recently) to their own child dying in a hot car? How many of those feared it enough to research it on the internet?

None that I know of.

I am waiting to see exactly what that is all about.

 

[Chewy]

What you said was that most parents that do this, are like me, and maybe even not as forgetful as I am. It was personalized. It was also a sweeping statement that parents who do this innocently and without intent of murder are absent minded. I am curious as to how you know this and how you can make this statement with certainty. Leaving a child in a car, is poor judgement and neglect, not absentmindedness. Generally, they make very bad decisions and leave the child in the car while running into the store or doing some other errand.

I questioned how you could possibly know this about these people, and how you could possibly know or measure that most of these people are less absent minded than I appear to be?

I think the point wasn't "absent minded" but "devoted." IOW the people who did this were dedicated parents. But that's just a bunch of sappy crap IMHO because dedicated parents don't forget their children.

 

[tlcya]

My concern with the window tinting is if he should have seen him in the afternoon. It's one thing if he walked forward away from the car and then back, but if he walked from the back of the car he should have seen him.

I'm also curious if they can get pictures of how he parked and where he parked that day. It would be VERY compelling to me as a juror if I felt that he had changed to park out in the sun (away from the tree) that day, or changed the direction and orientation of how he pulled into the spot.

all good questions that I would love to know answers to as well.

 

[keeponsearching]

That could still be his carseat. The chart I showed yesterday gave an average of 23-27 pounds at 21 months. Height 32 - 34 inches. Cooper could be on the shorter side.

And in the other vehicle might be a different carseat, or could be this one.

 

[SStarr33]

What you said was that most parents that do this, are like me, and maybe even not as forgetful as I am. It was personalized. It was also a sweeping statement that parents who do this innocently and without intent of murder are absent minded. I am curious as to how you know this and how you can make this statement with certainty. Leaving a child in a car, is poor judgement and neglect, not absentmindedness. Generally, they make very bad decisions and leave the child in the car while running into the store or doing some other errand.

I questioned how you could possibly know this about these people, and how you could possibly know or measure that most of these people are less absent minded than I appear to be?

Again, I said most stories I have read--please see my OP.

I am going to agree to disagree with you

 

[tlcya]

Well dang
I go to lunch and common sense arrives.:seeya:

trust me, it never left the building.