GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #7

[otto]

I see a picture attached to the lamp.

If it was a reflection, it would be distorted with the curves of the lamp.

 

[Msollicito]

Honda Civics all have some kind of trunk - not sure which exact model he had https://www.google.com/search?q=hon...SNqAbVlYLwDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=951

 

[Lyra500]

bbm IIRC The carseat was in the middle of the back seat, and not directly behind the drivers seat.

Which fits in with what I was saying. The width and depth of the car seat means that even in the middle of the back seat it would have projected forwards enough to be practically wedged between the two front seats. That would have put Connor's head just to the right and slightly behind his father's head.

 

[otto]

I remember my kids would squirm and kick - not only when they were unhappy but just full of energy or whatever. I'm guessing - looking at the photos - that if Cooper moved around much at all, it would jostle the front seat, too. Which was *right beside* dad's head. Unless he immediately fell into a sound sleep 1 1/2 minutes after eating breakfast - at 9 a.m.

I have taught 2 year old Sunday School for many years - They range from 20 months up to 30 months. They come in at 9:30 a.m. and leave around noon. I have *NEVER* had one of them fall asleep or even act sleepy at that time of day. They are full of themselves - even the ones with slight colds/sniffles. Healthy 2 year olds are very active when awake.

I think he was too big to fit into a back facing car seat.

 

[newone]

Thanks. Like I said, I see no camera. Can you circle it for me?

can't see the camera either -- just seems the line of sight is correct to think that she's the photographer

 

[SStarr33]

Honda Civics all have some kind of trunk - not sure which exact model he had https://www.google.com/search?q=hon...SNqAbVlYLwDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=951

He was driving a Hyundai Tucson.

 

[momrids6]

Honda Civics all have some kind of trunk - not sure which exact model he had https://www.google.com/search?q=hon...SNqAbVlYLwDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=951

it was a 2011 Hyundai Tucson. I linked the trunk pic/specs upthread

 

[Msollicito]

I heard it was a honda civic see here http://www.[link removed].au/parenting/fatal-distraction-phenomenon/

Where did you find out it was a Hyundai tuscon? Actually it does look more like a Tuscon to me (I am no car expert) and as you show, it does have a trunk!

 

[jking]

I think Justin Ross Harris looks pretty depressed in all his pictures and I am sure that will be a factor that caused this terrible outcome in some way. Sounds to me like him and his wife have some strange cult thing going on - she called him the "leader of our family" and she talked about how "broken" the world is - and how she did not want to bring her son back - if my child had just died, there is one thing I know with all of my heart I would wish I could bring him back! Maybe she is brainwashed, or something, but she is definitely distant from her feelings to have been able to make that speech at the funeral. Cults are good at distancing people from their feelings and from reality, it all adds up to me

I thought he looked happy in some of the photos I've seen, when he was with friends or at sporting events.

 

[matou]

Police would not say why Leanna Harris wasn’t charged or if she was ever considered a suspect.

“The wife was questioned by detectives when this incident occurred and as you know this investigation is still active and ongoing,” said Cobb police spokesman Mike Bowman when asked about Leanna Harris’ role in the case.

Read more: The Marietta Daily Journal - Warrants show Justin Ross Harris wife also researched child car deaths

http://mdjonline.com/view/full_stor...?instance=secondary_story_bullets_left_column

 

[Chewy]

I see a picture attached to the lamp.

I promise I won't try to convince you :loveyou: but why would someone tape a picture to a lamp? especially in this day and age when we carry our photos around with us in cell phones. And it's strange that the exact color of the lamp is the exact color of the photo. So I do understand why you might consider that because of the white band across the top. But IMHO it's a reflection.

Although, I will say, it's possible that it's not the cellphone next to her head, it's a little too big, but maybe the curvature of the lamp warped it. But it might be a television set or something behind her.

:truce:

ETA DANG NINJAED!!!!

 

[momrids6]

I think he was too big to fit into a back facing car seat.

agreed. looks like he was too tall:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/tuscaloosa/obituary.aspx?pid=171490524


trunk;

http://www.thecarconnection.com/ima...dai-tucson-fwd-4-door-auto-limited-pzev-trunk

I don't see a trunk in that picture. I see the rear cargo area of the car. A trunk is a separate area of a car accessed thru a trunk lid.

 

[otto]

I promise I won't try to convince you :loveyou: but why would someone tape a picture to a lamp? especially in this day and age when we carry our photos around with us in cell phones. And it's strange that the exact color of the lamp is the exact color of the photo. So I do understand why you might consider that because of the white band across the top. But IMHO it's a reflection.

Although, I will say, it's possible that it's not the cellphone next to her head, it's a little too big, but maybe the curvature of the lamp warped it. But it might be a television set or something behind her.

:truce:

ETA DANG NINJAED!!!!

If you zoom in on the photo, you can see the lower left corner of the photo in front of the lamp (or whatever that is). Additionally, that lamp is curved. A reflection on the curved surface would be distorted. The face of the woman in the photo is not distorted, so it can't be a reflection.

 

[otto]

agreed. looks like he was too tall:

I think so too. If he was backward facing in a carseat, his legs would have been sticking up to the rear window. I read earlier in the discussion that when he was removed from the carseat he was in rigor and his knees were still bent as though he was in a carseat. That could only happen if he was forward facing and his legs were in a normal sitting position.

 

[Chewy]

Interesting. So he could be looking down at the roof of the car instead of into the windows.

Just wanted to play devils advocate once again. I'm 5"11 and I often surprise people when I don't see something right in front of me. I usually have a certain "band of view" that I don't like obstructed and don't like to alter. In addition like RH I am hearing impaired in my right ear. I do not drive because of this. I don't trust myself.

But to give you an idea of "vision" I never use an umbrella unless it's pouring rain and I have something to protect in my hands. But umbrellas throw off my line of site. I can't deal with them.

So I'd just like to give an observation that sometimes really tall people don't see things right in front of them that shorter people do. And if he's deaf in his right ear, that's the side next to Cooper's car seat, with the distraction on the road, he may possibly have not heard him.

Just to be fair IMHO

 

[momrids6]

I don't see a trunk in that picture. I see the rear cargo area of the car. A trunk is a separate area of a car accessed thru a trunk lid.

Hyundai calls it a trunk....that's what comes up in a search. I also have a compact crossover SUV; the hatchback area is the same- and it is also called a trunk... there is an optional blackout panel that attaches to conceal what is in that area. just the messenger.

 

[momrids6]

I think so too. If he was backward facing in a carseat, his legs would have been sticking up to the rear window. I read earlier in the discussion that when he was removed from the carseat he was in rigor and his knees were still bent as though he was in a carseat. That could only happen if he was forward facing and his legs were in a normal sitting position.

look at the pic again- I think that was taken in the car. His head is above the car seat back.

His legs could be bent like these:

http://www.google.com/search?q=rear...nksATqrYKgBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1024&bih=667

 

[Chewy]

I wonder if juries ever get hung because people get annoyed with each other and just don't want to let the other people "win" so they are contrary just to refuse to admit they might have been wrong?

There's so much emotion in this case it makes you wonder. Maybe that's what happened in the Casey Anthony trial. I'm going to look up jury selection experts to see what they can predict. This is definitely going to be a down to the last minute decision, I think.

 

[newone]

Honda Civics all have some kind of trunk - not sure which exact model he had https://www.google.com/search?q=hon...SNqAbVlYLwDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=951

it was Hyundai Tucson....not a Honda...(heck Hondas are better and bigger than Tucsons LOL