GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #8

[keeponsearching]

Cooper is so sweet looking. Looks just like my nephew with the bright blonde hair and shiny deep blue eyes. Children are so dependent on us. If he truly ever feared he could of taken care of the situation, but I don't think that is the case. I think he got the idea he wouldn't get charged. Makes me so mad.

 

[oh_gal]

Hi, I'm new here. Don't know how much I'll post. But this case has exerted such a terrible hold. I've been riveted, outraged, and repulsed over and over.

I don't think for a second that this was NOT premeditated. The fact that the father was arrested THAT DAY is almost enough to convince me of that alone. The detectives did not wait a day or two to let him "grieve," then stop by the house for a follow up to ask about things that they couldn't quite fit together. The story smelled funny from the moment he started to tell it and they booked him then & there.

The mother's statements at the funeral, if reported accurately, are certainly odd at best and make her look complicit. It's occurred to me that maybe, maybe she was, shall we say, less than impressed with her husband's level of responsibility / multi-tasking abilities, heard about a similar case, looked it up on the Internet, then said, "Justin, Justin, look what I read, it only has to be X degrees for Y hours to kill him, please be careful, etc." And maybe this started the wheels turning, gave him a scenario, which he researched on his own. Maybe. I hope both of Cooper's parents don't turn out to be as evil as it appears.

But I'm not betting on it. In any case, I just hope the police have enough evidence to convict.

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(above, bbm)
Thanks for the great post, and welcome to WS!
I don't want to discuss things that are off limits; I do want to say, however, that there is a mindset that would be unbelievable to a lot of people in today's modern society. I have seen,what I believe are bits and pieces of it at the funeral; I know people who are like this. I know wives who are like this. While many on the "outside" scratch their heads and would never assume such a role as part of a marriage, it happens, and it's happening today, in 2014, with people who have a certain set of beliefs.

I hope that didn't totally confuse everyone.

 

[Lovejac]

Sorry but I don't buy that it's impossible for some people to have their spidey sense tingle wrt photos. And not all mugshots are awful :

http://izismile.com/2014/03/06/some_pretty_cute_criminals_in_mugshot_pics_62_pics.html

A popular tv show here had a segment where the contestants had to choose whether the person in the photo was a musician or serial killer (Spicks & Specks). Some people are definitely better at picking up on subtle things in photos.

We're given a spidey sense for a reason. I've found that when I ignore it, I'm not comfortable and have ended up in potentially unsafe situations. When I've listened to it I've never regretted it. Obviously real life situations are much different to judging someone by a photo but the same idea is behind both.

Have you read "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker?

Love that book. It was recommended to me years ago by lots of members here.

 

[keeponsearching]

Have you read "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker?

Love that book. It was recommended to me years ago by lots of members here.

I love that book! So good. Really open my eyes of always following your gut.

 

[fruity]

Have you read "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker?

Love that book. It was recommended to me years ago by lots of members here.

No, I haven't heard of it. I will look it up though, thanks for the recommendation

 

[jnTexas]

I agree. I also have a feeling that once LE independently discovered that Harris had gone to his car mid-day, they were trying to see if he would come clean. Kind of like when the detective kept asking Jodi Arias if she was sure she hadn't been in Travis' house the day he was killed. Of course she denied it. Then he asked her again. I'm guessing LE gave Harris more than one chance to tell them he had gone to his car.

More food for thought.... How normal is it for married people to go out to meet friends for drinks and movie and not text their spouse. When I was married we always did this. Now that I'm divorced and seeing someone we still do this. Even if one is out of town. Just a quick text "hey I'm meeting so and so for a quick drink love ya ttyl" Had this type of communication been normal for them she would've come back and said what about Cooper.

This case is so odd....

 

[popsicle]

Karmady, this won't apply to RH will it?

HB 271 amends Title 16, relating to crimes and offenses, so as to create the offense of murder in the second degree, and provides for penalties. A person commits the offense of murder in the second degree when, in the commission of cruelty to children in the second degree, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice. A person convicted of the offense of murder in the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than ten nor more than 30 years.

Signed by Governor: April 29, 2014
Effective Date: July 1, 2014

http://w2.georgiacourts.gov/enactedlegislation/index.php/criminal

 

[keeponsearching]

More food for thought.... How normal is it for married people to go out to meet friends for drinks and movie and not text their spouse. When I was married we always did this. Now that I'm divorced and seeing someone we still do this. Even if one is out of town. Just a quick text "hey I'm meeting so and so for a quick drink love ya ttyl" Had this type of communication been normal for them she would've come back and said what about Cooper.

This case is so odd....

I agree. But some people are different. I would think Cooper would come up in texts throughout the day. When my kids were younger my husband would always call me at lunch time. Now that he has a busier job he might call or text. He would communicate if he went out and ask how we are doing. And I can contact him whenever now. Times have changed so much easier to keep track of what we are all doing.

 

[popsicle]

A new GA law effective July 1 that does pertain to RH.

“It’s actually interesting, because the law actually just changed yesterday,” he said Wednesday, referring to a state law that went into effect July 1.

Under the new rules, Matalon said defendants must post 15 percent of the face value of their bond regardless of its amount.

The previous law required defendants to post 12 percent of any bond under $10,000 and up to 15 percent of any bond over that amount.

He said the law is still so new that the sheriff’s office and law enforcement needs to create awareness of its existence so people understand what sort of fees they could come up against.

http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_...New-evidence-expected-at-Harris-hearing-today

 

[Lovejac]

Hi, I'm new here. Don't know how much I'll post. But this case has exerted such a terrible hold. I've been riveted, outraged, and repulsed over and over.

I don't think for a second that this was NOT premeditated. The fact that the father was arrested THAT DAY is almost enough to convince me of that alone. The detectives did not wait a day or two to let him "grieve," then stop by the house for a follow up to ask about things that they couldn't quite fit together. The story smelled funny from the moment he started to tell it and they booked him then & there.

The mother's statements at the funeral, if reported accurately, are certainly odd at best and make her look complicit. It's occurred to me that maybe, maybe she was, shall we say, less than impressed with her husband's level of responsibility / multi-tasking abilities, heard about a similar case, looked it up on the Internet, then said, "Justin, Justin, look what I read, it only has to be X degrees for Y hours to kill him, please be careful, etc." And maybe this started the wheels turning, gave him a scenario, which he researched on his own. Maybe. I hope both of Cooper's parents don't turn out to be as evil as it appears.

But I'm not betting on it. In any case, I just hope the police have enough evidence to convict.

Welcome to Websleuths!

 

[Karmady]

Karmady, this won't apply to RH will it?

HB 271 amends Title 16, relating to crimes and offenses, so as to create the offense of murder in the second degree, and provides for penalties. A person commits the offense of murder in the second degree when, in the commission of cruelty to children in the second degree, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice. A person convicted of the offense of murder in the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than ten nor more than 30 years.

Signed by Governor: April 29, 2014
Effective Date: July 1, 2014

http://w2.georgiacourts.gov/enactedlegislation/index.php/criminal

hmmm...it's not technically an ex post facto law I don't think since it's favorable to the defendant, and most laws are applied prospectively only, anyway. There may be some kind of statement of the legislative intent about how it's intended to apply, but I'm gonna go with no off the top of my head. I'll look into it a little more though -- sure is quite the coincidence!

Here's a random article that talks about retroactivity. The ex post facto discussion starts on page 12.
http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/retrostat.pdf

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I'll be there as well, assuming I can find a parking space and the courtroom isn't too full!

:loveyou::loveyou:

I am so looking forward to hearing/reading yours and Msollicito's reports from court today!

:tyou:

 

[Suthrnqt]

Marking my spot....

 

[QueenD]

What time is court?


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[SStarr33]

~bbm

The article in the media thread with that quote in it is from CNN on June 21.

eta: and there's a post in a thread about it by Belimom on June 21st as well.

Thank you for the correction.

Also, in the past I have heard LE make statements about how heinous a crime is and they have been completely wrong. So at this moment, I give his statement about his conscience being shocked 0 value.

 

[nursebeeme]

What time is court?


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1:30 pm local time

 

[fruity]

Have you read "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker?

Love that book. It was recommended to me years ago by lots of members here.

I love that book! So good. Really open my eyes of always following your gut.

I just read up on it on amazon and it sounds excellent. I'm going to try to get a copy.

It reminds me of the time I felt like such an idiot - I made a notification to a government agency based on nothing but my intuition. There was no evidence and I felt foolish making a formal notification about something I couldn't put my finger on. Sure enough I was informed soon after that my gut instinct was spot on and that I might be called to testify because my observation and sense that something was going on was a piece of a very large jigsaw.

Listening to that inner feeling can be so important.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Hi, I'm new here. Don't know how much I'll post. But this case has exerted such a terrible hold. I've been riveted, outraged, and repulsed over and over.

I don't think for a second that this was NOT premeditated. The fact that the father was arrested THAT DAY is almost enough to convince me of that alone. The detectives did not wait a day or two to let him "grieve," then stop by the house for a follow up to ask about things that they couldn't quite fit together. The story smelled funny from the moment he started to tell it and they booked him then & there.

The mother's statements at the funeral, if reported accurately, are certainly odd at best and make her look complicit. It's occurred to me that maybe, maybe she was, shall we say, less than impressed with her husband's level of responsibility / multi-tasking abilities, heard about a similar case, looked it up on the Internet, then said, "Justin, Justin, look what I read, it only has to be X degrees for Y hours to kill him, please be careful, etc." And maybe this started the wheels turning, gave him a scenario, which he researched on his own. Maybe. I hope both of Cooper's parents don't turn out to be as evil as it appears.

But I'm not betting on it. In any case, I just hope the police have enough evidence to convict.

:welcome: Falling From The Sun!

:seeya:

 

[chief]

Interesting photo/timeline.

http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_...New-evidence-expected-at-Harris-hearing-today

When I mentioned yesterday, the statement Cobb Police Sgt. Dana Pierce said about what he knew shocked his conscience, someone here told me that statement was made right after the events. That anybody would be shocked.

BUT, that statement was made on the 24th. Almost a week after Cooper died.

Just a refresher on what Sgt. Pierce said:

“What I know about this case shocks my conscience as a police officer, a father, and a grandfather.”

That was almost A WEEK after Cooper died. I think this statement speaks VOLUMES.

AND, on the 25th of June, Cobb police Chief John Houser said in a release: “The chain of events that occurred in this case does not point toward simple negligence and the evidence will be presented to support this allegation”.

JMO

Can someone explain what that 3 handed clock is supposed to mean? Maybe I'm dense, but it makes no sense to me.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

~bbm

The article in the media thread with that quote in it is from CNN on June 21.

eta: and there's a post in a thread about it by Belimom on June 21st as well.

Ok, the picture must be wrong. But still, the 21st is 3 days after the death. So, my opinion is the same. It wasn't just the shock of Cooper's death and how he died. But the facts they had learned. Because what he said was 'What I know about this CASE, shocks..."

IMO he was talking about criminal activity by the father. Not just "uh oh, I forgot my baby was in the car".

JMO