GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #8

[JeannaT]

I think as soon as they dropped the child abuse charge from 1st to 2nd degree that they had enough to proceed.

Yes, I agree. With the charges as they are written, you can even have a lawyer fully convince the judge that Harris legitimately forgot Cooper was in the back of the car, and he loved that child with his whole heart and never ever would have intended him harm and now his life is ruined by guilt.

But the way the charges are written, this case can still proceed with the charges as they are.

I do wonder about the possibility of a jury pardon in a case like that, though.

 

[Lovejac]

JMO I don't think a "reasonable" person would have forgotten their child in a car after having been overly concerned about that very issue and after having had a "premonition" that Cooper was with Jesus. Thats all I need to know.

Sometimes it's the simplest of facts that explains what seems so complex

 

[gngr~snap]

Was there ever a confirmed source for LH being out of town that day? Sincere apologies if I missed it, but it's almost impossible to keep up with the threads and real life at the same time! Thanks so much.

Didn't LH say Cooper slept with them the 2 nights before he died and his sweet baby lips? It sounds like she was not out of town. I wondered at first if she could have been at a medical convention or conference, but often those begin on Thursday or Friday unless they are a full week. She was at the police station the night of the 18th so, I believe she was in town.
WHO was supposed to pick Cooper up that day???
moo

 

[liltexans]

I'm not sure if the word "unattended" was even the actual wording that was used by LE when he was questioned. I think it was just a succinct way for the reporter to state that RH denied going to his car during the course of the day.

I agree. I also have a feeling that once LE independently discovered that Harris had gone to his car mid-day, they were trying to see if he would come clean. Kind of like when the detective kept asking Jodi Arias if she was sure she hadn't been in Travis' house the day he was killed. Of course she denied it. Then he asked her again. I'm guessing LE gave Harris more than one chance to tell them he had gone to his car.

 

[fruity]

This article is from June 24 but I wanted to post this quote. Please correct me if I'm wrong but this means that Cooper was dead for at least 3 hours because rigor mortis had set in. It was 4.16pm that the father pulled over and took Cooper out of the car, so it is possible that the lunchtime check showed that the baby was still alive

http://mobile.news.com.au/lifestyle...r-charge-dropped/story-fnet085v-1226966559570

“The baby was a grey/blue colour, not its natural colour. I know he was in the car seat but when the dad placed him on the ground his legs stayed in the same sitting position, as if he was laying on the ground with his knees up in the air stiff. It wasn’t natural."

 

[fruity]

We talked more about the car seat, um, earlier. Cooper looks to be small enough to be safest in a rear facing seat.

I believe there is a published photo of Cooper in a forward facing seat.

I share your hope that Cooper generally rode rear facing!

Laughing
Certified Child Passenger Safety Technician

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I too wondered if he always rode rear facing. Very interesting that there is a photo of him forward facing. I wonder if they could show that he had been forward facing for a while, it could add more to their premeditation case.

 

[gngr~snap]

Is Wild About Trials or HLN going to have a live feed?
I can't watch it on tv...between commercials and talking heads ....I feel like ripping my hair out after 20 minutes


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yes.
The media is already there camped out! I gotta laugh... at least Marietta Square is nice,
and the Harris' church is right close.

A few weeks ago Oprah and Brad Pitt had the whole square shut down filming a new movie about MLK...
The restaurant owners were mad because they were losing business. Well there ya go! Call in more staff there are hungry reporters out there!
moo
"SELMA"
http://mdjonline.com/view/full_stor...ng-expected-to-disrupt-business-on-the-Square

 

[Karmady]

We talked more about the car seat, um, earlier. Cooper looks to be small enough to be safest in a rear facing seat.

I believe there is a published photo of Cooper in a forward facing seat.
I share your hope that Cooper generally rode rear facing!

Laughing
Certified Child Passenger Safety Technician

Google Safe kids Worldwide for more information.

~bbm

I haven't seen one. Do you remember where you saw it?

 

[MissJ]

It really surprises me that people think that's what they asked him verbatim.

Maybe I'm so LE savvy from listening to hours upon hours of the Anthony family interviews. :waitasec:

I too wondered if he always rode rear facing. Very interesting that there is a photo of him forward facing. I wonder if they could show that he had been forward facing for a while, it could add more to their premeditation case.

It certainly would be a red flag if he had not!:moo:

 

[Lovejac]

I agree. I also have a feeling that once LE independently discovered that Harris had gone to his car mid-day, they were trying to see if he would come clean. Kind of like when the detective kept asking Jodi Arias if she was sure she hadn't been in Travis' house the day he was killed. Of course she denied it. Then he asked her again. I'm guessing LE gave Harris more than one chance to tell them he had gone to his car.

They already knew the answer to that question when they asked him

 

[PigPong]

Yes, I agree. With the charges as they are written, you can even have a lawyer fully convince the judge that Harris legitimately forgot Cooper was in the back of the car, and he loved that child with his whole heart and never ever would have intended him harm and now his life is ruined by guilt.

But it wouldn't matter what Harris feels... He was still criminally negligent and therefore guilty of both charges. There is now way this man should be going to jail for anything less than 30 years.

 

[liltexans]

And probably already knew the answer to that question when they asked him

Right. They would have already known he had gone to the car. But for some reason, Harris apparently chose to lie to them.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I listened to the entire video and nowhere does she indicate she doesn't know the distance. She says in her experience some of her own 5 children fall asleep IMMEDIATELY on going for a drive in the car and some do not. What exactly are you talking about?

She said -paraphrasing--he (Cooper)could have fallen asleep...meaning on the drive from CFAL to work.

None of my children would fall asleep in the car within 1-2 minutes. Especially after eating.

 

[jennapuppy]

I agree. I also have a feeling that once LE independently discovered that Harris had gone to his car mid-day, they were trying to see if he would come clean. Kind of like when the detective kept asking Jodi Arias if she was sure she hadn't been in Travis' house the day he was killed. Of course she denied it. Then he asked her again. I'm guessing LE gave Harris more than one chance to tell them he had gone to his car.

My thoughts exactly. It's likely that they discovered he was lying to them before he was formally arrested.

ETA: And that leads back to my original question: if this were just a tragic accident, why would he lie?

 

[JeannaT]

But it wouldn't matter what Harris feels... He was still criminally negligent and therefore guilty of both charges. There is now way this man should be going to jail for anything less than 30 years.

Right. In other jurisdictions, parents who convince LE that they legitimately forgot their child are served with no criminal charges whatsoever. In others, the DAs feel that even if the parent truly forgot, that's egregious enough to charge them with a crime.

The Washington Post article upthread did a really good discussion of different cases and different DA's and how with the same evidence different parents are charged or not.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what's brought up tomorrow.

And I don't think he's facing 30 years. He's facing life in prison or death penalty.

 

[Karmady]

She said -paraphrasing--he (Cooper)could have fallen asleep...meaning on the drive from CFAL to work.

None of my children would fall asleep in the car within 1-2 minutes. Especially after eating.

She said that he could have fallen asleep, quoting exactly and not paraphrasing, "IMMEDIATELY" -- like I said in my OP.

 

[Linda7NJ]

~bbm



I honestly don't think that the searches are going to sway anyone who's convinced of his guilt that they were done innocently. I honestly can't think of a search that wouldn't be viewed as incriminating or, at absolute best, neutral. I can, however, see the exact searches swaying people to guilty. jmo

IMO I'll back off a tad, if the searches were done
last summer,
if the searches occurred immediately after a case in the news and it was a article about it.
If it were a generic search like car safety and infants & toddlers or children...conducted long ago.


if it was how long & how hot to kill a animal in the car or how long & how hot to kill a child....he's a goner. IMO






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[Minette]

Good points upthread about the parsing of the word 'unattended.' I seriously can't imagine the questioning going like this:

LEO: "Mr. Harris, did you leave your car unattended all day?"
RJH: "Yes, I did."
LEO: "OK, moving on to the next issue....."

 

[Starry Night]

We talked more about the car seat, um, earlier. Cooper looks to be small enough to be safest in a rear facing seat.

I believe there is a published photo of Cooper in a forward facing seat.

I share your hope that Cooper generally rode rear facing!

Laughing
Certified Child Passenger Safety Technician

Google Safe kids Worldwide for more information.

Laughing-are you involved at all in Research and Development of improving products regarding CPS?(Child Passenger Safety)
As a technician, do you conduct tests-do surveys-analyze product safety and or consumer satisfaction?
Seems to me you have a huge responsibility-are you ever called to testify in liability trials?

You don't have to answer of course. I am just shocked with your name 'Laughing' and having such a deep and maybe grave responsibility.
Love the name 'Laughing'!

Oh! And do you think the child safety seat will play a role in this case?

TIA

 

[Linda7NJ]

Good points upthread about the parsing of the word 'unattended.' I seriously can't imagine the questioning going like this:

LEO: "Mr. Harris, did you leave your car unattended all day?"
RJH: "Yes, I did."
LEO: "OK, moving on to the next issue....."

Yep!

I bet they walked him through his entire day...thrice!


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