Found Deceased GA - Timothy Cunningham, 35, Chamblee, 12 Feb 2018 #2

  • #861
This is Tim in his own words:

“Love what you do,” he told the Atlanta Business Chronicle. “Do not quit. Keep going. During the bad, pick yourself up and learn from it."*

Tim wouldn't give up and didn't commit suicide. Just saying.
 
  • #862
For the sake of the thread, I won’t quote your full post. But excellent insights in #859, JazzTune.
 
  • #863
This is Tim in his own words:

“Love what you do,” he told the Atlanta Business Chronicle. “Do not quit. Keep going. During the bad, pick yourself up and learn from it."*

Tim wouldn't give up and didn't commit suicide. Just saying.

Everything I’ve read about Tim from his friends indicates that he was a caring and brilliant guy. Even without knowing him, I can see he was. But we also know from his family that he was really struggling with some things. For me, these things aren’t mutually exclusive.

Those words could just be platitudes he felt he was expected to say. I personally have a friend who consistently posts inspirational quotes on social media that could not be further from the way they actually live their life. JMO.

On the other hand, in the event this was an accident, maybe his own words and everyone else’s words about how he would never leave or take his own life ARE true. But as JazzTune and others have said, we may never know. :(
 
  • #864
I wonder if his favorite running shoes have specific significance? It’s unique wording.
 
  • #865
Valid. And on the other hand, I think a lot of us feel this way about suicide. And it's not always denial around mental illness. I suffer, and I'm an advocate. And that may also be why I'm cautious to assign suicide when things don't add up. It's not a matter of conspiracy, it's just that if we're being responsible with what little facts we know, we can't gloss over things to allow other things to be true.

And I realize that suicide leaves a lot of unanswered questions for loved ones, but in this case particularly, I've been amazed by things that seem definitely true vs. things that are allowed to be ambiguous.

This is exactly how I felt about Nick Steward's case. His COD was really strange (multiple stab wounds all over his body) and he left behind an adorable one year old baby and a beautiful wife. He had a job and friends and he was a devout Catholic. Suicide did not make any sense initially, based on everything that was reported. I was sure he must have been murdered, given all of that.

However, his death was ruled a suicide and his family later commented that Nick suffered from depression and had been suicidal before his disappearance. They had been holding on to hope that he just needed a break and would return. The priest who conducted Nick's funeral wrote a beautiful piece that was published at the time, full of compassion for the suffering Nick must have endured.

There are certainly current cases that have been ruled suicides that I'm certain are murders. But they are based on the evidence, not on my perception of who the deceased person was or statements the person made prior to their deaths. In some cases, the deceased person's probable murderer has a connection to law enforcement and it is obvious that the case was closed before it was investigated.

I just don't see a cover up in Tim's case. I hope that, if there is one, it will be discovered. When I take into account all of the facts we know, from the texts to the family, to walking out of his job, to telling the neighbor to delete his phone number, to his family rushing from another state to check on him, it just doesn't add up to foul play for me.

An accident is certainly possible and I will wait to see what the ME's final ruling is.
 
  • #866
An accident is certainly possible and I will wait to see what the ME's final ruling is.

Of course, MEs are constrained by what can be proven when ruling suicide, and in the absence of any specific evidence of suicidal intent (we don't know what the family knows) accident or undetermined are catch-all opinions when no foul play is suspected or likely. None of the facts I've seen add up unequivocally to suicide, so the ruling may just depend on what standards the ME uses in these kinds of circumstances.
 
  • #867
Of course, MEs are constrained by what can be proven when ruling suicide, and in the absence of any specific evidence of suicidal intent (we don't know what the family knows) accident or undetermined are catch-all opinions when no foul play is suspected or likely. None of the facts I've seen add up unequivocally to suicide, so the ruling may just depend on what standards the ME uses in these kinds of circumstances.

That could be the case. I won’t be surprised if they rule it undetermined or accidental. If the family is at all suspicious of foul play, I hope they speak out and ask LE to keep the case open.
 
  • #868
Cunningham's family released a statement Thursday night saying, "We sincerely thank all of you for the support and kindness you have shown our family during this difficult time. We are processing this incomprehensible loss and request time and space to grieve."

[…]

Assuming no new information is brought to investigators, O'Connor said, the case will likely be closed "fairly soon."

According to O'Connor, police feel they've spoken to "everyone of importance" in Cunningham's life, and believe they've obtained all relevant information over the course of the investigation.

[…]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/health/timothy-cunningham-cdc-body-found/index.html
 
  • #869
I wonder if his favorite running shoes have specific significance? It’s unique wording.

I found O'Connor's wording about what Tim was found wearing to be awkward and perhaps a little misleading.

I'm unable to stream videos so wasn't able to hear exactly what Maj. O'Connor said about how Tim was dressed. I'm now seeing some reporters say that he was wearing jogging clothes. However, in every article I've read which contains a direct quote from O'Connor regarding attire (as in link below), he never actually says that Tim was wearing jogging clothes. Imo he implies it, but awkwardly avoids saying it. And that awkwardness has led me to suspect that, except for the shoes, Tim's attire wasn't suitable for jogging.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/timothy-cunningham-cdc-body-found_us_5ac661b1e4b09d0a11914a4e

<snipped> Atlanta Police Department Major Michael O’Connor said the river is located fairly close to Cunningham’s house and that he was known to go for runs.

“We do know that he was a jogger and he was wearing his favorite jogging shoes at the time that he was found,” O’Connor said. “I can’t tell you that he was jogging but those things together seem to indicate that that is a possibility.” <snipped>
 
  • #870
I found O'Connor's wording about what Tim was found wearing to be awkward and perhaps a little misleading.

I'm unable to stream videos so wasn't able to hear exactly what Maj. O'Connor said about how Tim was dressed. I'm now seeing some reporters say that he was wearing jogging clothes. However, in every article I've read which contains a direct quote from O'Connor regarding attire (as in link below), he never actually says that Tim was wearing jogging clothes. Imo he implies it, but awkwardly avoids saying it. And that awkwardness has led me to suspect that, except for the shoes, Tim's attire wasn't suitable for jogging.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/timothy-cunningham-cdc-body-found_us_5ac661b1e4b09d0a11914a4e

<snipped> Atlanta Police Department Major Michael O&#8217;Connor said the river is located fairly close to Cunningham&#8217;s house and that he was known to go for runs.

&#8220;We do know that he was a jogger and he was wearing his favorite jogging shoes at the time that he was found,&#8221; O&#8217;Connor said. &#8220;I can&#8217;t tell you that he was jogging but those things together seem to indicate that that is a possibility.&#8221; <snipped>

But why word it as his FAVORITE jogging shoes?? It seems specially worded.
I dont think I have ever heard... Jane was found wearing her favorite jeans or John was found wearing his favorite watch.
So I'm thinking maybe they were HS track shoes, or maybe personalized shoes he received as a gift?
If they were special to him maybe he wore them for a sentimental reason?
 
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  • #871
IF Tim ended his life by suicide drowning, my thoughts are that it was impulsive - - triggered by him being angry and upset that he was not selected for the Branch Chief job. I don’t think he had mental illness or depression.

http://www.allianceofhope.org/blog_/2012/05/why-impulsive-suicide.html
Why? Impulsive Suicide
05/20/2012
If you've spent time on the Alliance of Hope for Suicide Survivors community forum, you've probably seen posts about two types of suicides. The first is the type that most people recognize. The person who completed suicide had a history of mental illness, had made prior attempts, and exhibited many of the so-called warning signs.

The second type that people don't know as much about is the impulsive suicide. The person who completes this type of suicide may not have put any thought into the matter at all. There is usually no history of depression and no warning signs that can be identified, even in retrospect.

Impulsive suicides usually involve a triggering event--which others may not even recognize as significant--and immediate access to a way to end one's own life.
[…]


https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
The Urge to End It All
JULY 6, 2008
The National Institute of Mental Health says that 90 percent of all suicide “completers” display some form of diagnosable mental disorder.
[…]
The very fact that someone kills himself we regard as proof of intent — and of mental illness; the actual method used, we assume, is of minor importance.
But is it?
[…]
What makes looking at jumping suicides potentially instructive is that it is a method associated with a very high degree of impulsivity, and its victims often display few of the classic warning signs associated with suicidal behavior. In fact, jumpers have a lower history of prior suicide attempts, diagnosed mental illness (with the exception of schizophrenia) or drug and alcohol abuse than is found among those who die by less lethal methods, like taking pills or poison. Instead, many who choose this method seem to be drawn by a set of environmental cues that, together, offer three crucial ingredients: ease, speed and the certainty of death.
[…]
 
  • #872
I went on vacation for spring break with my children last week and I didn't check on here at all. I looked today and started crying and had to call my husband. Some of these cases become significant to me. I also read a 27 yr old father and his 4 yr old son drowned in this river within the last week. &#128546; RIP Tim &#128148;
 
  • #873
I went on vacation for spring break with my children last week and I didn't check on here at all. I looked today and started crying and had to call my husband. Some of these cases become significant to me. I also read a 27 yr old father and his 4 yr old son drowned in this river within the last week. &#128546; RIP Tim &#128148;

Sorry, Tjk2201...must be hard to have all this info hitting you at once.

I think it's safe to say everyone following this thread took the news hard.:tears:


:grouphug:
 
  • #874
Checked in on Timothy only to read the sad news. Rest In Peace.
 
  • #875
IF Tim ended his life by suicide drowning, my thoughts are that it was impulsive - - triggered by him being angry and upset that he was not selected for the Branch Chief job. I don’t think he had mental illness or depression.

http://www.allianceofhope.org/blog_/2012/05/why-impulsive-suicide.html
Why? Impulsive Suicide
05/20/2012
If you've spent time on the Alliance of Hope for Suicide Survivors community forum, you've probably seen posts about two types of suicides. The first is the type that most people recognize. The person who completed suicide had a history of mental illness, had made prior attempts, and exhibited many of the so-called warning signs.

The second type that people don't know as much about is the impulsive suicide. The person who completes this type of suicide may not have put any thought into the matter at all. There is usually no history of depression and no warning signs that can be identified, even in retrospect.

Impulsive suicides usually involve a triggering event--which others may not even recognize as significant--and immediate access to a way to end one's own life.
[…]


https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
The Urge to End It All
JULY 6, 2008
The National Institute of Mental Health says that 90 percent of all suicide “completers” display some form of diagnosable mental disorder.
[…]
The very fact that someone kills himself we regard as proof of intent — and of mental illness; the actual method used, we assume, is of minor importance.
But is it?
[…]
What makes looking at jumping suicides potentially instructive is that it is a method associated with a very high degree of impulsivity, and its victims often display few of the classic warning signs associated with suicidal behavior. In fact, jumpers have a lower history of prior suicide attempts, diagnosed mental illness (with the exception of schizophrenia) or drug and alcohol abuse than is found among those who die by less lethal methods, like taking pills or poison. Instead, many who choose this method seem to be drawn by a set of environmental cues that, together, offer three crucial ingredients: ease, speed and the certainty of death.
[…]
Great article. I have done some reading about these "impulsive" suicides and they tend to largely trend male and younger. It makes my heart weep that he made a call to his mom just before he went missing. Who knows what would have happened had she answered.

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  • #876
IF Tim ended his life by suicide drowning, my thoughts are that it was impulsive - - triggered by him being angry and upset that he was not selected for the Branch Chief job. I don’t think he had mental illness or depression.

http://www.allianceofhope.org/blog_/2012/05/why-impulsive-suicide.html
Why? Impulsive Suicide
05/20/2012
If you've spent time on the Alliance of Hope for Suicide Survivors community forum, you've probably seen posts about two types of suicides. The first is the type that most people recognize. The person who completed suicide had a history of mental illness, had made prior attempts, and exhibited many of the so-called warning signs.

The second type that people don't know as much about is the impulsive suicide. The person who completes this type of suicide may not have put any thought into the matter at all. There is usually no history of depression and no warning signs that can be identified, even in retrospect.

Impulsive suicides usually involve a triggering event--which others may not even recognize as significant--and immediate access to a way to end one's own life.
[…]


https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
The Urge to End It All
JULY 6, 2008
The National Institute of Mental Health says that 90 percent of all suicide “completers” display some form of diagnosable mental disorder.
[…]
The very fact that someone kills himself we regard as proof of intent — and of mental illness; the actual method used, we assume, is of minor importance.
But is it?
[…]
What makes looking at jumping suicides potentially instructive is that it is a method associated with a very high degree of impulsivity, and its victims often display few of the classic warning signs associated with suicidal behavior. In fact, jumpers have a lower history of prior suicide attempts, diagnosed mental illness (with the exception of schizophrenia) or drug and alcohol abuse than is found among those who die by less lethal methods, like taking pills or poison. Instead, many who choose this method seem to be drawn by a set of environmental cues that, together, offer three crucial ingredients: ease, speed and the certainty of death.
[…]


You've brought up some important research. I agree. All suicides are not motivated in the same way.

However, speaking from my own experience of working so closely with the mentally ill on a locked psychiatric unit for 15 years, I believe anyone who commits suicide is mentally ill.

It's not normal to try to kill one's self. They may not have a specific diagnosis but there are no 'mentally healthy' categories into which into that behavior will fit.

There are degrees of mental illness too. Impulsive suicidal people may not have a prior diagnosis, but that doesn't mean they're doing just fine, and one day just grab a gun and shoot themselves. It may appear that way to other people but something is not right.

In my experience they fit into two categories. Sudden psychotic break ( loss of contact with reality, hearing voices, etc. ) or drug/alcohol impairment coupled with a sudden triggering event.

The attempts are not thought out ahead of time which is why they are so dangerous. The person could be dead before they even realized what they were doing. If they had been sober, that triggering event may have been taken in stride.

That's what they would often tell me the next day, after they were sober. "Can't believe I did that! How stupid. She wasn't worth me getting that upset about." They may realize then just how serious their attempt really was.

I'm convinced that many impulsive suicide attempts have undiagnosed Bipolar Disorder as well. One of the defining characteristics of it...

We don't know whether Timothy did kill himself, and if so, whether it was planned/unplanned.

It appears he was experiencing much emotional turmoil, but it would just be a guess as to exactly what motivated his actions. His death could have been entirely accidental.

A real tragedy, no matter what happened! I know I have hugged all my loved ones just a bit tighter since his death...


JMO
 
  • #877
This is a great article! I've experienced an impulsive situation within my circle of friends, and I have really struggled with anger toward the victim (on behalf of his child - long story). I usually feel compassionate about those who feel so desperately helpless, but the reaction to this particular one was so different. Now I understand more of the "why". Thank you for posting this.

IF Tim ended his life by suicide drowning, my thoughts are that it was impulsive - - triggered by him being angry and upset that he was not selected for the Branch Chief job. I don&#8217;t think he had mental illness or depression.

http://www.allianceofhope.org/blog_/2012/05/why-impulsive-suicide.html
Why? Impulsive Suicide
05/20/2012
If you've spent time on the Alliance of Hope for Suicide Survivors community forum, you've probably seen posts about two types of suicides. The first is the type that most people recognize. The person who completed suicide had a history of mental illness, had made prior attempts, and exhibited many of the so-called warning signs.

The second type that people don't know as much about is the impulsive suicide. The person who completes this type of suicide may not have put any thought into the matter at all. There is usually no history of depression and no warning signs that can be identified, even in retrospect.

Impulsive suicides usually involve a triggering event--which others may not even recognize as significant--and immediate access to a way to end one's own life.
[&#8230;]


https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
The Urge to End It All
JULY 6, 2008
The National Institute of Mental Health says that 90 percent of all suicide &#8220;completers&#8221; display some form of diagnosable mental disorder.
[&#8230;]
The very fact that someone kills himself we regard as proof of intent &#8212; and of mental illness; the actual method used, we assume, is of minor importance.
But is it?
[&#8230;]
What makes looking at jumping suicides potentially instructive is that it is a method associated with a very high degree of impulsivity, and its victims often display few of the classic warning signs associated with suicidal behavior. In fact, jumpers have a lower history of prior suicide attempts, diagnosed mental illness (with the exception of schizophrenia) or drug and alcohol abuse than is found among those who die by less lethal methods, like taking pills or poison. Instead, many who choose this method seem to be drawn by a set of environmental cues that, together, offer three crucial ingredients: ease, speed and the certainty of death.
[&#8230;]
 
  • #878
A celebration of Tim’s life has been scheduled.

“A memorial service will be held April 21 at 10 a.m. in the King Chapel at Morehouse. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to Morehouse in Cunningham’s name or to the homeless ministry at Atlanta’s First United Methodist church.”

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https://www.ajc.com/news/local/serv...ehouse-college-chapel/JzVa41aHYzCQisdxO5IQlI/
 
  • #879
IF Tim ended his life by suicide drowning, my thoughts are that it was impulsive - - triggered by him being angry and upset that he was not selected for the Branch Chief job. I don’t think he had mental illness or depression.

http://www.allianceofhope.org/blog_/2012/05/why-impulsive-suicide.html
Why? Impulsive Suicide
05/20/2012
If you've spent time on the Alliance of Hope for Suicide Survivors community forum, you've probably seen posts about two types of suicides. The first is the type that most people recognize. The person who completed suicide had a history of mental illness, had made prior attempts, and exhibited many of the so-called warning signs.

The second type that people don't know as much about is the impulsive suicide. The person who completes this type of suicide may not have put any thought into the matter at all. There is usually no history of depression and no warning signs that can be identified, even in retrospect.

Impulsive suicides usually involve a triggering event--which others may not even recognize as significant--and immediate access to a way to end one's own life.
[…]


https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
The Urge to End It All
JULY 6, 2008
The National Institute of Mental Health says that 90 percent of all suicide “completers” display some form of diagnosable mental disorder.
[…]
The very fact that someone kills himself we regard as proof of intent — and of mental illness; the actual method used, we assume, is of minor importance.
But is it?
[…]
What makes looking at jumping suicides potentially instructive is that it is a method associated with a very high degree of impulsivity, and its victims often display few of the classic warning signs associated with suicidal behavior. In fact, jumpers have a lower history of prior suicide attempts, diagnosed mental illness (with the exception of schizophrenia) or drug and alcohol abuse than is found among those who die by less lethal methods, like taking pills or poison. Instead, many who choose this method seem to be drawn by a set of environmental cues that, together, offer three crucial ingredients: ease, speed and the certainty of death.
[…]

Maybe Timothy did have something going on in his PERSONAL life, or maybe it was with work. Maybe either of the two did trigger something outside of his control.
You have a lot of information about what leads someone to comment suicide...yet ME stated COD was drowning and didn’t suspect foul play at that time (rubbish IMO).

IMOO, I don’t think anyone will actually find out exactly what happened to Timothy the day he went missing. And why?

Then again we are on WS for a reason! I’ve learned sometimes if something just doesn’t feel right..it probably isn’t. Open up your mind, (not specifically yours) maybe some clues from weeks, months years back might connect some dots. Again, this is all IMO!!
 
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  • #880
http://www.mbfh.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=2092903
CDR Timothy J. Cunningham
December 21, 1982 - April 4, 2018
Life Legacy

[...]
Celebration of Life service for Commander Timothy Jerrell Cunningham will be held on Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:00 am at Martin Luther King Jr. International Chapel, Morehouse College, 830 Westview Drive, SW. Atlanta, GA 30314. Instate at 8:30 am.
[...]
Timothy believed in helping others and was a public servant. Along with his great big smile, he had a heart of gold. He enjoyed spending time with his dog, Mister Bojangles, hiking at Kennesaw Mountain and other state parks, jogging, and hanging out with his friends and family.

At his appointed time, Timothy transitioned from earth to glory.
[...]
 

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