GA - Troy Davis fails to prove his innocence to Supreme Court

[HRCODEPINK]

I think they have gone ahead. I think they're waiting until it's done to release the details - the time it started, the time it ended.

ETA: I hope it didn't (or doesn't) take multiple tries.

I am really hoping that isn't the case. There are at least 5 members of the media on hand inside the prison for an execution, and I can't imagine that word wouldn't get out.

 

[belimom]

Democracy Now reporting that SCOTUS press office claims no developments as of now. No decision so far. Supposedly.

So, this may be a dumb question. Is the SCOTUS in session, as in chambers, discussing this? If so, I wish I had known ahead of time - I would go there and sit outside. It's about 20-25 minutes away.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

So, this may be a dumb question. Is the SCOTUS in session, as in chambers, discussing this? If so, I wish I had known ahead of time - I would go there and sit outside. It's about 20-25 minutes away.

That, I really don't know. If I were them, I would meet somewhere else in secret right now, because there are an awful lot of people (at least there was earlier) in DC protesting this right now.

ETA: Not a dumb question at all. I am curious now, myself.

 

[Boytwnmom]

OT but she also mentioned the execution of the killer (sorry, forgot name) of James Byrd which has been carried out but also how his family did NOT want anyone executed for the crime. I really admire families of victims who take a principled stand in the face of tremendous emotion. Kind of makes me take a step back. I have been ambivalent about execution especially in heinous cases like the one in CT, Petit family, that shock the conscience. But, I have been less and less convinced that execution is ever a proper power given to the state. I don't think it is especially as it is actually imposed and carried out.

Rachel Maddow has coverage on MSNBC if anyone is interested....
Don't know if its for the full hour...

 

[shana]

Recommended viewing:

Rachel Maddow is delivering an xlnt report on this case and the issues raised.

jmo

 

[deelytful1]

I can NOT imagine how the recantation of 7/9 witness confessions did not stop this execution.
It's crazy
Rachel Maddow has a letter from wardens and corrections officers in the prisons (past) with their concerns about people HAVING to participate in an execution because its their job to do so... Wow.. I thought these people did this voluntarily.
i didn't realized they can be forced to strap the person down, etc...

 

[belimom]

In Paris...

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/C...110921-davis/gss-110921-davis-03.grid-7x2.jpg

 

[Isabelle]

Frightening...Scalia has said there's nothing unconstitutional about executing an innocent person.

Joined by Justice Clarence Thomas in dissent, however, Justice Antonin Scalia criticized his colleagues for thinking that mere innocence is grounds to overturn a conviction:



QUOTE=Gardenlady;7145365]Thomas is silent, so it's hard to read him sometimes, but he quite often rules with Scalia, which makes me very nervous for Troys case.

I'm hoping that the women are among the justices considering, I think they would be the best chance.

[/QUOTE]

Just because it's not unconstitutional to execute an innocent person does not make it right! Where do we get these monkeys for the supreme court?

 

[HRCODEPINK]

OT but she also mentioned the execution of the killer (sorry, forgot name) of James Byrd which has been carried out but also how his family did NOT want anyone executed for the crime. I really admire families of victims who take a principled stand in the face of tremendous emotion. Kind of makes me take a step back. I have been ambivalent about execution especially in heinous cases like the one in CT, Petit family, that shock the conscience. But, I have been less and less convinced that execution is ever a proper power given to the state. I don't think it is especially as it is actually imposed and carried out.

I lost my hunger for the death penalty by working under Marie Deans in innocence cases in Virginia. The only case that I work in any form at this point (and even that, only trying to raise awareness) was that of Joe Giarratano, whom she saved from the death penalty. Marie got her start after her mother-in-law was killed by an escaped prisoner. The officer told her that they would find and kill him and she told him not to kill him for her. She founded the group Murder Victims Families for Reconciliation. In all of my years of walking this planet I have never known a more strong, graceful and peaceful person in my life and she challenged my views and changed me as a person. She was an amazing woman and when we lost her in April to lung cancer a piece of my world disappeared forever.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/...ans-death-penalty-abolitionist-die-ar-977956/

R.I.P. Marie. You are missed and your grace and wisdom could really be used on a night like tonight.

 

[deelytful1]

OT but she also mentioned the execution of the killer (sorry, forgot name) of James Byrd which has been carried out but also how his family did NOT want anyone executed for the crime. I really admire families of victims who take a principled stand in the face of tremendous emotion. Kind of makes me take a step back. I have been ambivalent about execution especially in heinous cases like the one in CT, Petit family, that shock the conscience. But, I have been less and less convinced that execution is ever a proper power given to the state. I don't think it is especially as it is actually imposed and carried out.

I agree. But, being a Christian, you are taught that NO ONE has the right to take a human life except for the Lord.
I do NOT believe in it and never understood it.
Like the woman said, a murder does not solve a murder
IMHO

Recommended viewing:

Rachel Maddow is delivering an xlnt report on this case and the issues raised.

jmo

Yes, she definitely is doing a great job!

 

[Isabelle]

I can NOT imagine how the recantation of 7/9 witness confessions did not stop this execution.
It's crazy
Rachel Maddow has a letter from wardens and corrections officers in the prisons (past) with their concerns about people HAVING to participate in an execution because its their job to do so... Wow.. I thought these people did this voluntarily.
i didn't realized they can be forced to strap the person down, etc...

What would happen if they refused to do their job and whoever's job it is to start the IV refuses also?

 

[shana]

If not this case, which one? :-/

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I can NOT imagine how the recantation of 7/9 witness confessions did not stop this execution.
It's crazy
Rachel Maddow has a letter from wardens and corrections officers in the prisons (past) with their concerns about people HAVING to participate in an execution because its their job to do so... Wow.. I thought these people did this voluntarily.
i didn't realized they can be forced to strap the person down, etc...

The workers can be forced or lose their job, but in some states, the actual person who pushes the button is a volunteer. They are chosen by lottery and there are more than one who all push a different button at the same time, so that no one (including them) know which person actually carried out the punishment.

 

[deelytful1]

I lost my hunger for the death penalty by working under Marie Deans in innocence cases in Virginia. The only case that I work in any form at this point (and even that, only trying to raise awareness) was that of Joe Giarratano, whom she saved from the death penalty. Marie got her start after her mother-in-law was killed by an escaped prisoner. The officer told her that they would find and kill him and she told him not to kill him for her. She founded the group Murder Victims Families for Reconciliation. In all of my years of walking this planet I have never known a more strong, graceful and peaceful person in my life and she challenged my views and changed me as a person. She was an amazing woman and when we lost her in April to lung cancer a piece of my world disappeared forever.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/...ans-death-penalty-abolitionist-die-ar-977956/

R.I.P. Marie. You are missed and your grace and wisdom could really be used on a night like tonight.

So sorry for your loss Miranda :hug:

 

[Isabelle]

Is there a live feed to Georgia? My televisions are in use by others. Thanks

 

[HRCODEPINK]

What would happen if they refused to do their job and whoever's job it is to start the IV refuses also?

The execution would be delayed--but not stayed--until they could get someone in there who would do it...and there is always someone who will do it.

 

[deelytful1]

What would happen if they refused to do their job and whoever's job it is to start the IV refuses also?

They can be brought up on a charge similar to insubordination. I forget the actual name but they can lose their jobs, pensions, etc!!

 

[shana]

Sorry not to provide a URL and I hope this is OK to post...

An article earlier this evening said that prison guards/officials whether directly involved in this case or not removed their badges today so none could be identified.

Transparency?

Frank Rich coming-up after the commercial break on Rachel's show, msnbc.

 

[belimom]

It's hard to tell children not to hit back when they get hit, if it's okay to kill someone for killing someone else. Then that leads to adults thinking they have the right to stab back when they got stabbed, or seek revenge for being robbed, or whatever. The cycle never stops.

I was looking for a peace sign to post and discovered this: Sept 21 is International Day of Peace...? Wow.

http://www.internationaldayofpeace.org/

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXz3fgS6_PjcLVhAuWQjjrW1NjuHZb-v7sfsdYjV_Y4U12pJo0lA

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Is there a live feed to Georgia? My televisions are in use by others. Thanks

I was watching this one, but it just cut out, and might have ended. Don't know.

http://www.livestream.com/democracynow

ETA: it's back up now.