GA - Twin brothers miss flight to Boston, found dead 24 hours later in Georgia mountains, 14 Mar 2025

[iamshadow21]

The families Attorney stated they still don’t believe Naazir and Quaadir took their own lives. They will hire a private investigator to conduct their own investigation.

What do you all make of the significance of the anime swords found with thier bodies? The article said they cosplayed with them on the deck of their home. Not familiar with this at all.

I think this one's easy enough to work out. They brought them joy, so they brought them along as their own gravegoods. Like people putting toys in a child's casket, mementos or photos in an adult's. The position of their bodies shows they essentially laid themselves out in a deliberate way. The swords were part of that picture they created.

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I don't want to believe it either. That doesn't mean I don't accept it, though. I do. Yet, this one is going to haunt me forever.

I look at these twin brothers and I just don't see two lives already over.

IMO, it's part of human nature to want to understand. I so want to understand, but I know I never will. For me, that's harder to accept.

you state what i feel as well....
They just appeared to be beautiful young men.

Two of these twin / triplett cases this past year here on WS have really been sad....

 

[Little Jack]

This is very sad and I admit I did not expect it to turn out this way due to their very odd location.

Knowing now it was suicide makes me wish their college had mandatory counseling sessions. When I was in professional school we were all required to attend 10 free counseling sessions. It was clear they were trying to find anyone with suicidal tendencies. But also it is a pressure cooker of stress and life changes and everyone benefited from it. I think undergrad programs should adopt this.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

This is very sad and I admit I did not expect it to turn out this way due to their very odd location.

Knowing now it was suicide makes me wish their college had mandatory counseling sessions. When I was in professional school we were all required to attend 10 free counseling sessions. It was clear they were trying to find anyone with suicidal tendencies. But also it is a pressure cooker of stress and life changes and everyone benefited from it. I think undergrad programs should adopt this.

That requirement does sound sooo valuable.
I can see it even more valuable for middle and senior high school...

So you are not in the US?

Do you have any links to better explain this program....???

 

[Knox]

That's the difference. You can accept something even if you don't want to. Unfortunately there are others with so much emotional capital invested in only one acceptable solution that they will mentally reorder the reality around them to block actual reality out.

It's something we saw a few years ago in the Croydon Cat Killer thread where the animal group campaigning on the supposed issue simply refused to accept the results of the years' long police investigation.

IMO, your first paragraph is exactly what the family is experiencing. Their attorney, instead of helping them to be open to the possibility of suicide - is supporting them to hire a private investigator. This further delays their healing journey. But maybe that’s what needs to happen to finally put the conspiracy theories to rest.

What I’m curious about is the girl friend in Boston. Naazir showed her the gun on a video chat. She also shared details about his home life and financial pressures. Naazir never rebooked that flight, the impetus of whatever drove them to act, started the day he missed the flight, IMO. She likely has much more to share, that is not being stated publicly. Has she shared with the family? The aunts said they spoke to her, did she share all that with them?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

IMO, your first paragraph is exactly what the family is experiencing. Their attorney, instead of helping them to be open to the possibility of suicide - is supporting them to hire a private investigator. This further delays their healing journey. But maybe that’s what needs to happen to finally put the conspiracy theories to rest.

Maybe. You mention their attorney - I don't know if that person is a member of the black community, but perhaps what would help is for a trusted black attorney and a trusted black doctor to sit down with them and take them through the police report, explaining the evidence, the findings and their reliability and answering any questions the family have. If there was a trusted black cop as well that might be even better. On the other hand, it probably depends on how far down the mistrust and conspiracy rabbit hole they've gone as to whether anything can help them come to terms with what happened.

 

[Knox]

I think this one's easy enough to work out. They brought them joy, so they brought them along as their own gravegoods. Like people putting toys in a child's casket, mementos or photos in an adult's. The position of their bodies shows they essentially laid themselves out in a deliberate way. The swords were part of that picture they created.

MOO

Thanks for the simple explanation, I thought they were symbolic of something more complicated - but that could make sense.

If these are the same swords the twins were seen with at the home, I think it's another indicator there was no foul play. Who else would have access to personal things in the home, which ended up at the scene?

 

[Knox]

Maybe. You mention their attorney - I don't know if that person is a member of the black community, but perhaps what would help is for a trusted black attorney and a trusted black doctor to sit down with them and take them through the police report, explaining the evidence, the findings and their reliability and answering any questions the family have. If there was a trusted black cop as well that might be even better. On the other hand, it probably depends on how far down the mistrust and conspiracy rabbit hole they've gone as to whether anything can help them come to terms with what happened.

In some other cases I've followed where a loved one has taken their life. Many of the things done in the daily leadup, didn't make a lot of sense within the context of they would no longer be alive soon. This is a very complicated and individually driven subject to try and sort through, which IMO - requires the help of a trusted professional as you state.

Putting the borrowed camera on the kitchen counter that night, with a note to return to their Uncle, another small clue. Naazir wasn't leaving the next morning to board a flight to Boston. He never rebooked the ticket as he said he would - after missing the flight that morning.

 

[statt#1]

I find it interesting the girlfriend in Boston states she was shown a gun. I wonder how much time elapsed between being shown that picture and the actual suicides.

I sat with a young lady one day prior to her accessing a therapy session in public school, where I worked for 20 years. That young lady blew her head off later that evening, she drove out to a rural location by herself and that was that. I had no idea....and I'm trained....shook me to the core.

I also sat through an entire day's seminar put on by a Suicidologist. That was revealing. And along with that, I was a member of a regional Suicide Prevention Task Force comprised of LE, School Administrators, Counselors, Coroners, etc.

A good friend of mine who worked in the same school district as I, he was once asked by the Assistant Superintendent....."just how many at-risk students do we have?". His answer was one for the ages....he looked at her squarely and said "ALL OF 'EM".

We had a student run his car straight in to a tree at a high rate of speed. He was in to sports, had everything going for him, smart, good lookin', the works. His girlfriend broke up with and that was it.

Pressures on the "good" kids, those with straight A's, the one who vie for coveted seats in prestigious Universities....they're ones to watch closely.

Anyway, I've said a million times, the students are doing Othello, the adults are doing Hamlet....two different plays. Young people go to great lengths to keep the stuff of their "play" private. Great lengths.

Suicide is brutal. My sister in law, her daughter, hung herself from a basement joist, not too long ago. My sister in law is forever damaged, still struggling to find some semblance of peace with it all.

Brutal.

 

[minazoe]

One guy I knew who killed himself set up an elaborate tableaux in the woods and hung himself there. he was a brilliant artist and died that way, another young man I knew od'd on purpose, another did a major jump out of the John Hancock building on one of the upper top floors by throwing a fire extinguisher through the plate glass..

I did know of a girl who hung herself in her early twenties. and two friends of mine had sisters who killed themselves.

they say that when someone tries and doesn't succeed , they will keep trying until they do. my SIL who is a PSYCH nurse at a prestigious hospital told me that most suicides are rooted in intense anger. I'm not sure I believe this but for sure it's intense,

look at this young girl who they let out of their sight and failed to watch at the hospital for 30 minutes. she went up to the roof and jumped off.

even though I'm sure we have all thought of suicide or fantasized about it at some horrific moment...most of us can't fathom actually wanting to do it...seems almost impossible...against nature and frightening.

 

[statt#1]

they say that when someone tries and doesn't succeed , they will keep trying until they do.

Interesting to ponder, as there was emerging thought in the field that suicidal tendencies are identifiable in toddler years. I had a specialist indicate this to me years ago, in fact, there was a school of thought that believed it to be innate, possibly a genetic marker yet to be discovered.

From my training, it was believed most that are successful in suicide have dealt with the thought of it for quite some time. As a coping mechanism, we may face a stressor in our lives, and our way(s) of dealing with it are numerous, drinking, exercise, meditation, eating, skydiving, camping, movies, sports....who knows, many and varied yes. One more coping option is there for some, and that is suicide. For years they choose a different option, but at that one moment they choose the tragic one.

 

[Serononin]

I find it interesting the girlfriend in Boston states she was shown a gun. I wonder how much time elapsed between being shown that picture and the actual suicides.

I sat with a young lady one day prior to her accessing a therapy session in public school, where I worked for 20 years. That young lady blew her head off later that evening, she drove out to a rural location by herself and that was that. I had no idea....and I'm trained....shook me to the core.

I also sat through an entire day's seminar put on by a Suicidologist. That was revealing. And along with that, I was a member of a regional Suicide Prevention Task Force comprised of LE, School Administrators, Counselors, Coroners, etc.

A good friend of mine who worked in the same school district as I, he was once asked by the Assistant Superintendent....."just how many at-risk students do we have?". His answer was one for the ages....he looked at her squarely and said "ALL OF 'EM".

We had a student run his car straight in to a tree at a high rate of speed. He was in to sports, had everything going for him, smart, good lookin', the works. His girlfriend broke up with and that was it.

Pressures on the "good" kids, those with straight A's, the one who vie for coveted seats in prestigious Universities....they're ones to watch closely.

Anyway, I've said a million times, the students are doing Othello, the adults are doing Hamlet....two different plays. Young people go to great lengths to keep the stuff of their "play" private. Great lengths.

Suicide is brutal. My sister in law, her daughter, hung herself from a basement joist, not too long ago. My sister in law is forever damaged, still struggling to find some semblance of peace with it all.

Brutal.

You're so right. Everything feels so overwhelmingly high-stakes when you're that age. Even if you know on a logical level that a breakup, or a bad grade, or whatever it is isn't the end of the world, oftentimes it really feels like it is. I'm 26 now, and sometimes I feel like I haven't changed that much since I was 16, but then I actually look back to doing my GCSEs and feeling like every paper was the make-or-break of my entire future, and my god am I grateful for how much my perspective has broadened in the last decade.

I'm so sorry for what your sister-in-law is going through. My sister lost one of her best friends to suicide a couple of years ago, and it's a uniquely devastating kind of grief IMO

 

[xjd11]

Interesting to ponder, as there was emerging thought in the field that suicidal tendencies are identifiable in toddler years. I had a specialist indicate this to me years ago, in fact, there was a school of thought that believed it to be innate, possibly a genetic marker yet to be discovered.

From my training, it was believed most that are successful in suicide have dealt with the thought of it for quite some time. As a coping mechanism, we may face a stressor in our lives, and our way(s) of dealing with it are numerous, drinking, exercise, meditation, eating, skydiving, camping, movies, sports....who knows, many and varied yes. One more coping option is there for some, and that is suicide. For years they choose a different option, but at that one moment they choose the tragic one.

perhaps it's been commented on, but I once read someone describe suicide as a "permanent solution to a temporary problem". simplistic perhaps for those who are NOT depressed. but when you are down in the depths, it's hard to envision options.

 

[Onlyguessing23]

Maybe. You mention their attorney - I don't know if that person is a member of the black community, but perhaps what would help is for a trusted black attorney and a trusted black doctor to sit down with them and take them through the police report, explaining the evidence, the findings and their reliability and answering any questions the family have. If there was a trusted black cop as well that might be even better. On the other hand, it probably depends on how far down the mistrust and conspiracy rabbit hole they've gone as to whether anything can help them come to terms with what happened.

Unfortunately, that rabbit hole is vast and cavernous, and filled with many, many real reasons to not trust… feeling a need for a further investigation is certainly understandable, and may be therapeutic in and of itself, IMO.

 

[Muddy K]

Patch - Lawrenceville, Georgia

Quoting from the article linked here and upthread:

"On the mountain, a backpack carrying Qaadir Lewis' phone and notebook, along with a box of Nosler .45 caliber cartridges, was located, CNN reported. In the notebook was reportedly written, “Journey to the Afterlife."

Those four words suggest to me that the twins might have believed there was a better place for them, or, at the very least, believed that shooting themselves would not mean the end of them. Fantasies can be pain relieving, but they can also be deadly.

Considering their weeks of researching, planning and acquiring, then that long night drive, stopping for gas and snacks but not turning back, then dying with their special swords nearby, it seems possible to me that their pact was intended to be inviolate.

IMO, Naazir never rebooked his flight to Boston because time with his girlfriend just then may have provoked some doubt in his mind.

If this information is out there, I have missed it: I would like to know which brother shot himself first.