GBC Trial General Discussion Thread #3

[beechworth]

You are so right Trooper - I completely agree. I just thought maybe he would follow advice for some reason...but with what you have said he is the type that is not easily reigned in. He honestly reminds me a bit of Jodi Arias...I wonder if his body language is similar?

Yes! I'm seeing similarities with Jodi Arias. We need Juan Martinez, can you just imagine him cross examining GBC!?! (No disrespect to Todd Fuller and Danny Boyle, they are doing a great job).

 

[beechworth]

Gotta love the shameless name dropping....

"Mr Baden-Clay is the great-grandson of scout movement founder Lord Robert Baden-Powell."

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...sed-killer-gives-evidence-20140626-zsnaf.html

Every time that is mentioned I just keep thinking of the scout motto: "Be prepared...(to dispose of the evidence...?)"

 

[Deleted member 102539]

When they were trysting the night away....

..... from that same statement #4...

[22. Gerard told me that he did not love Allison and they had not slept together for many years. Gerard told me that he slept most nights on the couch in the living room.

24. I have been to Gerard's house on Brookfield Road, Brookfield on two occasions. ...........
I did not see any bedding, sheets or blankets to indicate to me that he did sleep on the couch. This, however, did not appear to be unusual. Gerard would not have wanted the girls to know.

If the girls shouldn't notice their father sleeping on the couch, then I think, they weren't allowed to stand up in the middle of the night ...?

 

[Liadan]

I have been here almost from the start, sometimes with vigour and sometimes as a very occasional interloper. I have wrestled with my position many times. I was referred here by a former friend of GBC's. Like many people on here (I imagine), I have a close connection to this case and I do intend to reveal my own personal connection when this is all said and done. In the meantime, thanks very much to all the sleuthers, all the contributors, pundits, amateurs, professionals, court tweeters and those who just feel very, very deeply for the children left behind by a loving mother.

Someone very interested in this case posed something to me tonight that I had never previously considered and initially found repugnant. But I will leave it with you ...

What if GBC was set up by Allison? She is a very intelligent woman, a devoted wife and mother, betrayed horribly by her husband. Those journal entries - all written in the same pen. What if she intended to take her own life but not without taking down her husband? I know it's outlandish but so is everything about this case. Nothing is out of the realms of possibility.

Nuts, right? Or not.

Sorry YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT? :facepalm:

 

[LadyBird1]

Just found interesting link - notes made by someone who was in the court today:
http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2014/...l-be-selling-from-now-on-is-about-6-x-8-feet/
You can click on each photo to enlarge for reading.
Starts with the lawyer then GBC

Some really interesting observations too - voices, facial expressions, emotional responses, etc - that you don't get in MSM

She's been writing up articles about the court experience too but she's just posted the notes for today so far, since there's so much to get through.

(I hope this is ok Marly

Thanks Neuromancer, and thanks MW for allowing the post to stay.
Very interesting commentary from within the court room.
Very interesting to see the Judge's reactions. He turned his chair to the side and rolled his eyes!
Looks like the self confessed best salesman , best all round nice husband, blah blah, is not getting his sales pitch across.
Better than all that, I suspect that the Judge is very much aware of what he is dealing with here.
And giving him enough rope ....

 

[Couldbe]

The whole thing is that none of it is really pertinent to the current investigation. You would have to be blind Freddy not to know that Allison did not suicide, even though she had suffered from depression. She did not walk 14km to Kholo Creek as she would have been seen along busy Moggill Road. GBC has some pretty incriminating gouges in his face which does not gel with his "blunt razor" explanation.

It is highly probable that at least one member of that jury will have experienced a depressive episode. I've read somewhere that the statistics for having such an episode is up to 85% of the general population. So depression and anxiety are quite common. Allison Baden-Clay was taking a relatively low dose of sertraline (Zoloft) and by all accounts was well controlled and had good insight (as many do) into her particular experience of depression and anxiety.

Which is why I cannot understand the Defence and GBC banging on about Allison's depression. Given the lies has has already told, he doesn't bring much credibility to the witness box. I cannot understand why they would call a psychiatrist to discuss serotonin syndrome, which usually occurs when more than one antidepressant and or other drug is prescribed. I mentioned in the last thread that there was one known definitive case of SS in Qld last year, so it's hardly common - and the symptoms are so distressing you'd be on your way to hospital in a flash.

I also cannot understand the Defence doing tide studies of the Kholo to chart movement of vegetation when clearly the species found in Allison's hair were not located in the Kholo Creek vicinity and verified and checked by the botanist.

If GBC is truly innocent then there would not have been any need for such a cocktail of lies/conflicting information and multiple doctors appointments.
MOO

..... has anyone else given any thought to the possibility that GBC himself may have resorted to gobbling up some of Allison's Zoloft medication close to the occurrence of this horrible event?

..... he himself may have then been subject to some delusional behaviour!!!!!

 

[AllyG]

A woman who kills herself can still be a loving mother. She could think that her children would be better off without her. Especially when your self esteem is broken. I don't think Allison killer herself though.

 

[LadyBird1]

Ohhh yeah TM's alibi...

Text copied from TM's statement #4....

45. Thursday the 19th of April 2012..........I remained at home with my boys all night that night. There are no security cameras in my unit block that I am aware of.

Bail Hearing Documents *No Discussion* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Oh dear. Methinks Toni is going to need a much better alibi than that. Doubt she considered he was and is a serial liar. (Amongst other things unprintable)
I expect today we will hear something about his indignation, and TM volatile etc, just might have had the opportunity.
This will probably be interspersed with his hero status. And some not so subtle gas lighting of jury.

 

[LadyBird1]

..... has anyone else given any thought to the possibility that GBC himself may have resorted to gobbling up some of Allison's Zoloft medication close to the occurrence of this horrible event?

..... he himself may have then been subject to some delusional behaviour!!!!!

Well I think he was on Something ....

 

[Smegal]

I am glad you said this, as its been on my mind to say also... From the hair perspective.. I am not one to worry about it after I've been to the hairdresser. In fact I much prefer it after I wash it the next day. I don't actually like the way it sits after they blow dry it! I prefer to wash it myself after and style it how I want or let it sit how I want. Its the cut (and if I have foils) that is more important to me, not that its freshly blowdried. So I guess looking at that aspect I don't consider it as big a deal about having freshly done hair as what some others may do- in terms of it affecting her doing some things like walking. JMO

Sorry, AAAA, I'm not sure how to include your quote. I agree with both of you; I don't even get my hair blow dried! I have thick hair, and after sitting for three-four hours I'm keen to leave ASAP.

 

[Smegal]

Just found interesting link - notes made by someone who was in the court today:
http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2014/...l-be-selling-from-now-on-is-about-6-x-8-feet/
You can click on each photo to enlarge for reading.
Starts with the lawyer then GBC

Some really interesting observations too - voices, facial expressions, emotional responses, etc - that you don't get in MSM

She's been writing up articles about the court experience too but she's just posted the notes for today so far, since there's so much to get through.

(I hope this is ok Marly

Thanks for sharing! I couldn't read the notes very well on my tiny screen but will definitely be having a good read when I can be bothered getting up.

 

[LadyBird1]

Sorry, AAAA, I'm not sure how to include your quote. I agree with both of you; I don't even get my hair blow dried! I have thick hair, and after sitting for three-four hours I'm keen to leave ASAP.

Just curious .... Does anybody put hot rollers in hair the morning after the hairdresser?

 

[AAAA]

Sorry, AAAA, I'm not sure how to include your quote. I agree with both of you; I don't even get my hair blow dried! I have thick hair, and after sitting for three-four hours I'm keen to leave ASAP.

Same here, a quick dry off and see ya later.

 

[Tangled_Web]

First a slip-up, then down to business
IT STARTED with a slip-up. Gerard Robert Baden-Clay, dramatically taking the stand in his own murder trial, was asked a simple question.
How long had he been married to his wife Allison, the woman he is accused of murdering?

“We would have been coming up to our 14th wedding anniversary,’’ he said, before realising he was a year off.

“Sorry, it would have been coming up to our 15th,’’ he corrected, cutting off his defence barrister, Michael Byrne QC.

Mr Byrne was already in the middle of his next question, which happened to be his biggest: “Mr Baden-Clay, did you kill … ?’’

Gerard’s misstep forced Mr Byrne to repeat the question. This time, Gerard answered confidently: “No I did not”.

Source:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-badenclay-takes-the-stand-to-deny-murdering-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226968217967

 

[AAAA]

First a slip-up, then down to business
IT STARTED with a slip-up. Gerard Robert Baden-Clay, dramatically taking the stand in his own murder trial, was asked a simple question.
How long had he been married to his wife Allison, the woman he is accused of murdering?

“We would have been coming up to our 14th wedding anniversary,’’ he said, before realising he was a year off.

“Sorry, it would have been coming up to our 15th,’’ he corrected, cutting off his defence barrister, Michael Byrne QC.

Mr Byrne was already in the middle of his next question, which happened to be his biggest: “Mr Baden-Clay, did you kill … ?’’

Gerard’s misstep forced Mr Byrne to repeat the question. This time, Gerard answered confidently: “No I did not”.

Source:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-badenclay-takes-the-stand-to-deny-murdering-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226968217967

Haha, well that was very tongue in cheek wasn't it. Maybe my new favourite reporter.

 

[Tangled_Web]

First a slip-up, then down to business
IT STARTED with a slip-up. Gerard Robert Baden-Clay, dramatically taking the stand in his own murder trial, was asked a simple question.
How long had he been married to his wife Allison, the woman he is accused of murdering?

“We would have been coming up to our 14th wedding anniversary,’’ he said, before realising he was a year off.

“Sorry, it would have been coming up to our 15th,’’ he corrected, cutting off his defence barrister, Michael Byrne QC.

Mr Byrne was already in the middle of his next question, which happened to be his biggest: “Mr Baden-Clay, did you kill … ?’’

Gerard’s misstep forced Mr Byrne to repeat the question. This time, Gerard answered confidently: “No I did not”.

Source:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-badenclay-takes-the-stand-to-deny-murdering-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226968217967

continuing from that same source

If it was nerves, they seemed to evaporate the longer Gerard talked.

As his testimony went on, his hands worked overtime. They came down in a karate chop motion to emphasise points and swirled around in circles like a showground ride.

It was Gerard Baden-Clay, former president of the Kenmore and District Chamber of Commerce, vice-president of Brookfield State School, and member of the Montessori kindy board.

It was clean-shaven Gerard in a well-fitting dark suit, white business shirt, spotted yellow tie and glasses.

At times he drifted into long answers, on one occasion seemingly chuckling when he became conscious of his own verbosity.

Then there were the tears, near tears, choked words and red-faced emotion that punctuated his evidence.

He spoke for one hour and 17 minutes before the court adjourned until 10am on Monday, when he will return to the stand. There may be days more to come.

 

[Forensics]

So today i found out that whatever it takes to be a WebSleuth, I don't have it. I was fine while the prosecution were presenting their evidence, but today ... dear heaven, all that self-serving codswallop. It made me so angry. It made me feel :sick: that he was being allowed to do it, being allowed to present his own totally self-serving version of the marriage as Blessed St Gerard, Paragon of Longsuffering Virtue married to Allison the Freaky Dependent Burden.

I had to get out; I just couldn't take any more. It's not as if it's even relevant information; the man is on trial for murder, not his entire life history.

The jury; oh man, do I feel sorry for them. It's just wasting their time making them listen to all this stuff, and if it were me on the jury I'd be trying to find out how to lodge a complaint about it.

I'll still tag along and try to keep up with it, but let him drive me crazy with his warped fantasies - nup, not going to do that!

Don't despair Fluffykins we all feel like that from time to time.....and if we do, the jury will too!!!! That's all to the good for two reasons: firstly it shows up what the kind of person he is and secondly, if he persist with being so verbose he has a greater chance of slipping up.

 

[squizzey1]

Olivia said a black or white T-shirt G had told her.


Ms Baden-Walton said she saw some women on Savages Rd and spoke to them, but they asked her what Ms Baden-Clay would have been wearing.

She said she called her brother again to find out what his wife would have been wearing.

“I recall him saying something like three-quarter pants or tracksuit pants and a black or white T-shirt, he thought, and I asked if her hair would have been in a ponytail and he thought it probably would have been,” she said.

http://m.couriermail.com.au/news/qu...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226955474656




From Transcript of Police Interview with Det Simmons on 20th April G said "She had a singlet top, um!"

ponytail after an expensive hairdo !!!! hardly

 

[MsAnais]

Ohhh yeah TM's alibi...

Text copied from TM's statement #4....

45. Thursday the 19th of April 2012..........I remained at home with my boys all night that night. There are no security cameras in my unit block that I am aware of.

Bail Hearing Documents *No Discussion* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Gee, that's a rock solid alibi then........:facepalm:

 

[MsAnais]

I'm stuck on the whole thing. He was absolutely loving the opportunity to talk about himself. He could go on for so long we may never even get to a verdict. Another moment was when he told how he proposed to Allison under the Eiffel Tower on Park Road. Which is a small fake tower on top of a french bistro near Brisbane CBD.

bbm OMG - class, all the way!!!:floorlaugh:

That's just embarrassing!!