General discussion #3

[PrayersForMaura]

I remember that being mentioned on this thread so maybe that's a big part of it. I really hoping that they're just trying to get all of their ducks in a row, and that they didn't botch the crime scene! I don't even want to think about that because then that would mean that Janet's murderer might never feel the consequences of taking her life.

How long was it before Scott Peterson was arrested? And what was the hold-up in that case? Was it that they hadn't found the bodies?

yep, lack of bodies... Laci's and Conner's
Same with Mark Hacking

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

yeah I think he owns books or at least reads ... on his blogger profile he listed this

"
Favorite Books

• Da Vinci Code
• Jesus the Christ
• Touching the Void
• Eiger Dreams
• Into Thin Air
• Into the Wild
• The Purple Sage

I had forgotten about these, PFM. You're right. So it's safe to assume that Raven does, indeed, read books. And being out of work with at least 3 months of free rent, what better time to order some books and catch up on some reading? Especially if they were to create resumes and such.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

true, when i buy things -- and I buy everything from collectibles to baseball cards to makeup -- I don't bother to check where the seller is from... I just pay them through paypal and wait for my package.
I could care less where they live as long as I get my stuff

Exactly. As a seller, his address information matters not at all if he's being paid through PayPal. And since I doubt that he would take payment through PayPal for stolen merchandise, he could tell the buyer to send the payment to whatever address he chooses. E-bay would have no idea, and they certainly wouldn't give a buyer your home address, (except possibly under certain circumstances).

Anyway, my guess would be that someone selling stolen merchandise would accept cash or money order to a P.O. Box. Didn't Raven have a few of those over the years?

 

[golfmom]

Anyway, my guess would be that someone selling stolen merchandise would accept cash or money order to a P.O. Box. Didn't Raven have a few of those over the years?

Mr. AG posted a p.o. box for one of Raven's websites with the name listed as S. Peters

 

[golfmom]

WHOIS information for pocketpcguy.com:

[whois.namesecure.com]
Registrant:
Samuel Peters
RTeSolutions.com
PO Box 1603
Hillsborough, NC 27278
US

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I see a significance if he's using that name as an alias!

Yes, I agree ... for stuff like that, it is interesting and helps to identify patterns at least. I just mean that in terms of what he bought or sold from that User ID, it probably wouldn't matter in terms of the embezzlement because it doesn't seem that that name had too many transactions.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

yep, lack of bodies... Laci's and Conner's
Same with Mark Hacking

My brain is fried this week. Can anyone think of cases in which the spouse was eventually arrested and charged after a seemingly long time? If so, what is it that usually causes this kind of delay if he is a POI? Is it simply that evidence isn't back? I'm not even explaining it well. Assume that Raven is currently a POI. What are the most likely reasons that LE wouldn't have arrested him already? In spousal murders, is it common that it would take this long before an arrest is made or is this month that's gone by out of the ordinary?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Mr. AG posted a p.o. box for one of Raven's websites with the name listed as S. Peters

I wonder if he had any during the flurry of e-bay activity.

 

[KT Can]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23793

Post #7 links Misterallgood's blogs. That's the best place to start.

Thanks golfmom!!!!

 

[ewwwinteresting]

My brain is fried this week. Can anyone think of cases in which the spouse was eventually arrested and charged after a seemingly long time? If so, what is it that usually causes this kind of delay if he is a POI? Is it simply that evidence isn't back? I'm not even explaining it well. Assume that Raven is currently a POI. What are the most likely reasons that LE wouldn't have arrested him already? In spousal murders, is it common that it would take this long before an arrest is made or is this month that's gone by out of the ordinary?

The other thing I would like to know is the statistics on how many cases that a wife was stabbed, the husband ended up being the murderer...is there somewhere we can find this information?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Some info about him and his family...

From 2001, he posted this on his resume:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020202121142/www.ravenstree.com/soccer_profile.htm

Extracurricular activities:
- Mountain Biking, Rock Climbing, Hiking, Camping, Snow Boarding, Running

Personal data:
- Currently living in Fredericksburg, VA (since Aug. 2000)
- Lived in Utah for 4 years
- Lived in San Diego, CA for 13 years

Ok, so Raven was born in October 1979:

1979 to 1993 Lived in numerous places in San Diego (since he stated he moved around alot)

1993 to 1997 Lived in Utah (18 years old)
10798 Heather Ridge Road, Sandy, Utah

1997 to ? Lived in Virginia (attending college)

Seemed to have moved around in the Virginia and DC area and then NC
So, I need help with the rest. Can we start a thread with addresses of Raven Abaroa?

 

[NCBanker]

Well being that one of my cousins is in management over the crime lab for the SBI, I'd like to think that they do a superb job. I've not heard otherwise.

...that they are hung up on evidence somewhere...(my instincts, and my familiarity with State crime labs...)...I am just speculating that either:

1. They cannot find some piece of "key" evidence they know they need (like blood spattered clothing, or a soccer uniform, or the murder weapon, for that matter, for example); or

2. There is, for some reason, a significant lack of trace evidence....Now with blood spattering all over the place, including the walls, this should not be...

3. (...and this is unfortunately more common than is realized...)...they blew the evidence collection/processing (which is also what I think happened in the Ramsey case, when the "chain of custody" was blown when they let all those people into the house, and when White and Ramsey were allowed to find the child's body in the basement)...

We don't know that Raven or someone else did not contaminate/remove things from the crime scene...we do not know if anyone else (in addition to the perp.) got in there before police came....we do not know if they realized that they botched evidence collection (for example blood samples being rendered unuseable), or it the "chain of custody" was blown (like in my example above....I'm inclined to believe that the chain of custody may have been blown, and that they may also be missing some key pieces of evidence....Now, the chain of custody thing is more serious because it renders the evidence and any conclusions drwn from it unusable/inadmissable in court...

NCBanker, what is the track record of the crime labs down there? I've heard mixed things about LE....also that the crime labs are extremely backlogged....

I am just speculating on all of this, of course...

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Ok, so Raven was born in October 1979:

1979 to 1993 Lived in numerous places in San Diego (since he stated he moved around alot)

1993 to 1997 Lived in Utah (18 years old)
10798 Heather Ridge Road, Sandy, Utah

1998 to ? Lived in Virginia (attending college)

Seemed to have moved around in the Virginia and DC area and then NC
So, I need help with the rest. Can we start a thread with addresses of Raven Abaroa?

Ok, I think it may go something like this:

1979 to 1994 Lived in numerous places in San Diego (since he stated he moved around alot....

1994 to 1998 Lived in Utah (18 years old)
10798 Heather Ridge Road, Sandy, Utah

Fall 1998 to August 2000 Lived at College in Buena Vista, Virginia(attending college for 2 years, dropped out?)

Lived in Fredericksburg, VA (since Aug. 2000)

Sometime in late 2001/early 2002 moved back to Utah

2003 Moved to NC


was he born in 1979 or 1980??

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Can we start a thread with addresses of Raven Abaroa?

To start a new thread, just click the forum link above that says "Janet Abaroa, Durham, NC", and when the new page comes up, click the button that says "New Thread" on the top left of the thread list.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

We were doing some searches from Zabasearch.com last week, and just now when I went there, it says "You are not permitted to view this website from your present location." Does anyone know what this might be about or how I might be able to get in again?

 

[PrayersForMaura]

We were doing some searches from Zabasearch.com last week, and just now when I went there, it says "You are not permitted to view this website from your present location." Does anyone know what this might be about or how I might be able to get in again?

are you logging in from work? They may block certain sites.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

To start a new thread, just click the forum link above that says "Janet Abaroa, Durham, NC", and when the new page comes up, click the button that says "New Thread" on the top left of the thread list.

Thank you:doh: I'll do some research and see what I can find.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

are you logging in from work? They may block certain sites.

Nope, same computer I used before.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Hi everyone! Been lurking around for awhile and thought I'd chime in finally. I live in the triangle area of NC (area includes Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill, and the vicinity). I've done a little digging, and I'm fairly certain that Janet and Raven only moved to Durham sometime in 2004. I found property tax listings (even though they rented housing, in NC, maybe elsewhere, you pay property tax on vehicles as well. As you can below, last year there was a listing for Janet, not Raven, in Orange County. Orange is the adjacent county to Durham, and is also the location where they both worked at Eurosport. This tax year there were listings for both Janet and Raven, in Durham County. As in Orange, one listing for Janet (according to the Orange site, an 2001 Acrua of some sort... Durham does not list the type of vehicle), and two listings for Raven. If you'll notice, Janet's Durham tax has been in paid in full. Raven's, at least currently, remain in arrears.

So, prior to this past year in Durham, I THINK they may have lived somewhere in Orange County, at least evidenced by the Orange tax listing for last year. Interestingly enough, there were NO Orange tax listings for Raven (and Lord knows, I tried every variation of his name that's ever been mentioned on here!

Here's the referenced info for ORANGE COUNTY (last tax year):


Orange County, North Carolina
Tax Statement

Data is current as of 06/01/2005 at 11:46pm

ABAROA JANET MARIE




Bill Number: 2003123636Account Number: K70520Description: Registered Motor Vehicle 2001 ACURSpecial Code: Note:
Real Value$0.00City Tax$118.06Personal Value$17,230.00County Tax$180.053R OR STORMWATER FEE IS NOT A LIEN ON REAL PROPERTY3R Fee$0.00 Stormwater Fee$0.00 Vehicle Fee$20.00 Interest Due$0.00Rate Code21Total Due$318.11Last Payment Date03/02/2004 Payment$318.11Due Date03/01/2004Balance DuePAID IN FULL
Orange County Tax Collector
200 S. Cameron Street
P.O. Box 8181
Hillsborough, NC 27278

And here's the referenced material for DURHAM COUNTY (current tax year):

Displayed Data Current as of: 6/2/2005​

Owner ID/ Account Number8263133Owner Name & AddressABAROA JANET MARIE
2606 FERRAND DR
DURHAM, NC 27705-1738
Tax YearReceipt NumberRate YearParcel Ref. NumberDate DueDate Last PaidTotal OwedCollected AmountAmount DueTax DistrictTaxable Value200443705302004PERSONAL03/01/200503/25/2005$212.88$212.88$0.001$15,140.00

Displayed Data Current as of: 6/2/2005​

Owner ID/ Account Number8263296Owner Name & AddressABAROA RAVEN SAMUEL
2606 FERRAND DR
DURHAM, NC 27705-1738
Tax YearReceipt NumberRate YearParcel Ref. NumberDate DueDate Last PaidTotal OwedCollected AmountAmount DueTax DistrictTaxable Value200443706952004PERSONAL03/01/2005$41.13$0.00$41.131$2,530.00200443829412004PERSONAL04/01/2005$132.59$0.00$132.591$8,670.00

 

[ewwwinteresting]

If you'll notice, Janet's Durham tax has been in paid in full. Raven's, at least currently, remain in arrears.

NOW THAT'S A SURPRISE!

Welcome and great information.....thank you! So......do you think you could go to the court house and pull the court file for more info...???????? pretty please!!