General Discussion and Theories

[Archangel7]

BBM
I agree AA and question his intelligence. We have a few reported people saying DM was smart, well spoken, seemingly intelligent, well educated. First is his flying teacher. How well did she actually know DM? And she was making reference to kid she knew 14 years ago. A person can change over time and especially during puberty. Then we have the owner of the yacht club DM rented a yacht from. Some people can speak very impressively but are not book smart IMO. How many encounters did he have with DM? Next we have his lawyer. I would hope your lawyer would have a few good things to say about you. How does DP know his client is intelligent and well-educated? Is it because of the way DM speaks? So I guess someone who is humble, unassuming, intelligent, well-educated and financially well off is not capable of murder :floorlaugh: (Ted Bundy right away came to my mind). The last article is from his school peers reflecting back years ago. Former classmates describe DM as an awkward kid who had difficulty speaking and pronouncing words. He is remembered more than most of his peers because he stood out, several said. IMO there is a huge difference between book smart and life skills smart.

I mentioned way back in one of my earlier post about how only children tend to gain a lot of knowledge from being included in adult conversation. He may have learnt to speak maturely or intelligently but that IMO is different from schooling smart. If DM was so intelligent, I ask again, why did he quit school after only attending grade 10? IMO it's just a few peoples' opinions. Until I am shown the facts, I will remain believing DM is assumed to be intelligent only because of his aviation background, the private school he attended and he may have been someone who had a way with words. Just like some salespeople, they could sell ice cubes to Eskimos. They can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. All MOO.

His old flying teacher, Marilyn Daigle, said in an interview that, as a boy, the Toronto French School student was “sweet, smart, really lovely to teach.” She thought for sure he’d end up at an airline one day.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-sto...osma-disappearance-made-flying-history-at-14/

Mr. Millard rented a sailboat for a 10-day cruise of the popular North Channel waterway from Mr. Blodgett in 2011. He was well-spoken and seemed intelligent despite the aggressive look of his shock haircut: a brightly dyed Mohawk. Mr. Millard, 27, was a capable sailor, Mr. Blodgett told Ms. McCutcheon.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...ulin-yacht-allegedly-linked-to-bosma-suspect/

Millard's lawyer, Deepak Paradkar, told CBC News his client isn't the type of person to commit such crimes.

"He's a very unassuming, humble person. He's intelligent, well-educated and financially well off, so there's no motive here," Paradkar said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/05/13/f-dellen-millard-profile-bosma-case.html

Former classmates describe him as an awkward kid who had difficulty speaking and pronouncing words. He is remembered more than most of his peers because he stood out, several said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...riends-remember-him-as-attention-seeking-kid/

So true
It is a recognized phenomena that is seen repeatedly in the news. A Mass Murderer or Serial Killer is arrested and every single, down to the last neighbor says the same thing," he was such a quite and well spoken, friendly boy." He kept to himself and always waved at me as I left for work."

It takes a very LOW standard to be a good neighbor and there is a very LOW expectation from neighbors and such. All you have to do is appear intelligent, wave, and appear to be reasonably trouble free.

On the smart person v murderer see Leopold and Leob.

On the pilot intelligence thing. Yes there is a high standard demanded from the FAA and Transport Canada in knowledge and performance, yet 14 yo and grandmas do it every day. I attended fight school with a middle aged, stay home mother who wanted to learn and do something for herself after the kids were gone.

I ran into her at Peterborough Airport a few years later while I was enroute to Muskoka, she is an excellent pilot with no previous background in anything aeronautical other than kids. It "ain't" rocket science. Even DM could have pulled it off.
JMO

 

[meterclicks]

But stupid enough to keep this burner phone for 3 months! Typically, these phones are used for a short time and disposed of.

Sorry, my brain is mush over this case. Was it stated by LE that it was a burner phone? Or was it assumption due to not being active for long?


Nevermind. I see it now.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Do we know whether or not this cellphone was with DM when arrested? Or has it been identified by someone who believed it to be his? I don't remember seeing anything relating to this, but I may have missed it.

I don't believe we've heard that the phone has even been found, let alone which of the two may have purchased it. If I'm wrong and this has been confirmed, maybe someone who knows could post a link.

They found TB's phone, which gave them the number of the phone that had been used to contact him. That led them to the records of other numbers called from that phone and to the owner of the Ram from the previous test drive, who then gave them the details of the tattoo. All we know, to my knowledge, is that the phone was used in the Etobicoke area. It seems to me that, if MS was still in the habit of carrying drugs around, it could just as likely be him that bought the phone. It was reported that they were a close knit group of friends, so there's no reason why he wouldn't be in the Etobicoke area fairly frequently. It could even be that it was the phone that they were searching for around the area of MS's home.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/05/11/tim-bosma-case_n_3259690.html

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/tim-bosmas-murder-may-have-been-thrill-kill-source

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-to-charge-second-man-with-murder-in-tim-bosma-case/article12066002/

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/mark-smich-formally-charged-in-tim-bosma-murder-1.1293433

 

[expat cdn]

Burner Phone - We're not sure who was in the possession of the burner phone, DM or MS, my guess is DM. LE most likely have DM's "legit" cell phone's records, which have incriminated him.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Burner Phone - We're not sure who was in the possession of the burner phone, DM or MS, my guess is DM. LE most likely have DM's "legit" cell phone's records, which have incriminated him.

Just curious. If you think the burner phone was DM's, why do you think he would have anything on his legit phone that would incriminate him? If he used his legit phone for anything connected, it would defeat the purpose of having a burner phone, wouldn't it?

 

[expat cdn]

Just curious. If you think the burner phone was DM's, why do you think he would have anything on his legit phone that would incriminate him? If he used his legit phone for anything connected, it would defeat the purpose of having a burner phone, wouldn't it?

DM may have thought he was not a suspect, as he had used the burner phone to call TB, that the truck calls couldn't be traced back to him. There would be nothing stopping him from using his legit phone to call his friends for help. Those legit cell phone records now may show that following the murder DM may have made a bunch of calls. LE could also determine by the cell pings that DM was in fact at TB's, then Brantford, then the hanger, then the farm.

 

[Blomquist]

My train of thought yesterday when mentioning this article (thanks for locating it Althea ), was that Mr Penner was quoted as saying he spoke with DM, but did not meet with him, meaning DM was in fact the person inquiring about the incinerator, and at least initiated the process of purchasing it. However, now reading the article, it is not a quote from Mr Penner at all, rather a statement made by the writer.
None the less, IMO whether DM ever actually spoke to Mr Penner, or if it was an employee of Millardair, DM had knowledge of and was involved with the purchase, otherwise why would the machine be on his farm? Surely he had to have known it was there. All just MOO

If an employee posed as DM how would we know that DM actually knew this? In business sometimes buying power is given to an employee, who knows if an employee had suggested an item, whilst counting on the 'boss's' trust in said employee, to allow a purchase. So much is 'up in the air' in this case..... IMO JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

DM may have thought he was not a suspect, as he had used the burner phone to call TB, that the truck calls couldn't be traced back to him. There would be nothing stopping him from using his legit phone to call his friends for help. Those legit cell phone records now may show that following the murder DM may have made a bunch of calls. LE could also determine by the cell pings that DM was in fact at TB's, then Brantford, then the hanger, then the farm.

The pings would definitely help, IF he took both phones with him on that trip.

 

[Blomquist]

DM may have thought he was not a suspect, as he had used the burner phone to call TB, that the truck calls couldn't be traced back to him. There would be nothing stopping him from using his legit phone to call his friends for help. Those legit cell phone records now may show that following the murder DM may have made a bunch of calls. LE could also determine by the cell pings that DM was in fact at TB's, then Brantford, then the hanger, then the farm.

I am not an expert on 'pings' but wouldn't he have to be in a certain area for the ping to work? They apparently had no lead on DM when TB went missing, thats why they could ping Tb's phone. How can they ping DM's phone after the fact? I am not saying they can't, as I have no idea.

 

[CanuckSleuth]

Regarding DM's "smarts" that have been discussed - a person can be extremely intelligent yet lack common sense just as one can be extremely street savvy and be scholastically challenged. Of course there are many that have various combinations of both.

Not finishing high school is not an indication that he lacks intelligence as there are many successful people that are "drop outs" ala Thomas Edison, Bill Gates...
DM may have his GED (grade 12 equivalency), he may have been tutored, or he may not have done anything after he left TFS. JMO

 

[Annie1004]

Regarding DM's "smarts" that have been discussed - a person can be extremely intelligent yet lack common sense just as one can be extremely street savvy and be scholastically challenged. Of course there are many that have various combinations of both.

Not finishing high school is not an indication that he lacks intelligence as there are many successful people that are "drop outs" ala Thomas Edison, Bill Gates...
DM may have his GED (grade 12 equivalency), he may have been tutored, or he may not have done anything after he left TFS. JMO

But it does show he lacks Ambition. MOO.

 

[Archangel7]

I am not an expert on 'pings' but wouldn't he have to be in a certain area for the ping to work? They apparently had no lead on DM when TB went missing, thats why they could ping Tb's phone. How can they ping DM's phone after the fact? I am not saying they can't, as I have no idea.

There is a thing called time during an investigation. As that investigation progresses things become known which led them to DM and his phones, hanger, farm, properties, Yukon, trailer, etc.

 

[Snoofo]

But it does show he lacks Ambition. MOO.

But not on his wrists!

Actually Annie if your statement suggests dropping out of school shows DM lacks ambition then I think the Gates example can disprove you. The list of ambitious and successful dropouts is quite long. So far as DM goes, we don't know enough about him although most of us may feel his ambition was steering him in the right direction, based on the MSM reports, but they've told us very little so far.

 

[Blomquist]

But it does show he lacks Ambition. MOO.

I am not sure how one would come to this conclusion based on him possibly being tutored, having a GED or dropping out of school.

I actually think the school process is inadequate and leaves many intelligent young people wanting more. Being text book savvy is not the key to intelligence IMO...in fact thinking outside of the school curriculum box has shown to be far more rewarding to many 'drop outs' as has already been pointed out. Teachers I know are quite perturbed by the fact that they are not allowed to teach to the full extent....having been curtailed and boxed into what they are told to teach. Even professor friends say the same thing....so I think wanting to reach outside of the confines of structured education is quite ambitious IMO

 

[ArianeEmory]

While I won't deny there are successful drop-outs, we also don't have a ton of evidence of DM ever really working hard at anything in particular except playing with cars and trucks.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I would think he finished school somewhere if he was accepted at Humber. Just because that part is missing from the article or from what we know, doesn't mean he didn't do it.

 

[Archangel7]

Humber admission info
http://www.humber.ca/admission-requirements#Mature_Student_Eligibility_for_Humber_Diploma_Programs

Requirements:
Mature Student Eligibility for Humber Diploma Programs
Mature Student Eligibility for Humber Degree Programs
Transfer Student Eligibility Criteria for Humber Degree Programs

 

[Blomquist]

There is a thing called time during an investigation. As that investigation progresses things become known which led them to DM and his phones, hanger, farm, properties, Yukon, trailer, etc.

Yes I am aware of that. I was asking about 'pings' and whether a phone can be 'pinged' after the fact. Would you have any idea on how 'pings' work? TIA

 

[Blomquist]

While I won't deny there are successful drop-outs, we also don't have a ton of evidence of DM ever really working hard at anything in particular except playing with cars and trucks.

We don't have a ton of evidence on anything really IMO. I don't think we can even say DM worked hard on cars and trucks. I believe he liked flying, sailing and driving according to all the pics on FB...but the FB info and other info (which we cannot post due to the rules) suggests it was others who did the mechanics on cars/trucks not DM.

We actually don't even know that DM dropped out. JMO

 

[Snoofo]

But not on his wrists!

Actually Annie if your statement suggests dropping out of school shows DM lacks ambition then I think the Gates example can disprove you. The list of ambitious and successful dropouts is quite long. So far as DM goes, we don't know enough about him although most of us may feel his ambition was steering him in the right direction, based on the MSM reports, but they've told us very little so far.

My edit button is missing. I just noticed a big error. I meant to write most of us think DMs ambition was NOT steering him in the right direction!