General Discussion Thread #2

[Lola]

well, h e double toothpicks!

Bail conditions

Must hand over 1 million rand: 100,000 rand in cash up front, and proof that the rest is available
Must turn in passports and any guns that he owns
Cannot leave Pretoria without permission from probation officer, nor can he return to his home
Forbidden to take drugs or drink alcohol
Must report to police station between 07:00 and 13:00 every Monday and Friday

 

[ontariolynn]

Roux says he might challenge some of the bail conditions, including the one that bars Pistorius from drinking alcohol.

"He will be freed today. I think it is fair that he is granted bail," Roux says.

Why would he maybe challenge the drinking alcohol condition, if it were me, I would not bother with something like that, just to show that I could abide with what ever the conditions were, in order to show that I am willing to do whatever is required for my bail, that I truly wanted.

Also a question ,maybe Carol you can answer it, can his girlfriend's file a wrongful death suit against him, and file for x amount of money?

Thanks
meant can his girl friend' s family file etc... sorry about that

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm sick over this.
Life can be very unfair.

 

[Lola]

OscarPistorius stares straight at Nair. Nair: do you understand my order? #OscarPistorius: yes @eNCAnews
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Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
Nair bans #OscarPistorius from consuming alcohol or drugs. He orders random alcohol and drug tests @eNCAnews

#OscarPistorius gets a probation officer, who will assess his emotional state and suggest, if needed, that he get counseling @eNCAnews

Nair piles on list of bail conditions asked by state: #OscarPistorius must hand in all his guns, can't set foot in international departures


i'm betting he'll be in trouble over bail or something else before june 4

 

[Inobu]

It is true - A picture truly captures a moment.

Inobu

 

[Lola]

okay Gerrie Nel, pull your socks up and get this thing done!

 

[cityslick]

Take this for what you will

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...orius-granted-bail-ahead-of-murder-trial?lite

There was a cry of "yes" from the public gallery after his decision, and his relatives embraced, cried and prayed.

In contrast to the joy of his relatives, Pistorius looked upset.

 

[Lola]

andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH

Strange, flat mood now. Such a build up. Such a sense of drama. Now realisation that it was just bail hearing and a long battle lies ahead.
Short statement from uncle - relieved but mourning for Reeva.
#OscarPistorius says yes your worship when asked if understands by magistrate. His only words in court today.
No drugs or alcohol for #OscarPistorius
#OscarPistorius available on mobile phone at all times to probation officer
#OscarPistorius must get permission for any journey outside Pretoria.
#OscarPistorius to submit to probation officer and correctional officer.
#OscarPistorius not allowed near any airports. Surrenders all firearms. No communication with prosecution witnesses.
4th June next court appearance for #OscarPistorius
Magistrate ups bail sum dramatically. 100 thousand to be paid in cash.
Magistrate: asks #OscarPistorius to stand. Says bail 1 million rand.

 

[Carol70]

I know you guys are angry, thats why Ive pretty much remained silent. I still reiterate that I do believe this his story is plausible and until such time that there is evidence to the contrary, or a confession, i will remain on the defense...call me naive or whatever, considering my country's failure to protect its women...I have duly given Oscar the benefit of the doubt...that it was just was a horrible tragic accident. I havent ever forgotten that a woman, with her whole life ahead of her is dead and I feel deeply for her family. Nothing that anyone can do or say will bring her back.

There are alot of questions that need answering, and Im sure in time it will come to light.
Oscars failure to check if Reeva was in the bed or calling out...not done for reasons unknown but surely, questions that OP is asking himself...I do truly believe that sometimes people just do things that are unexplainable even to themselves when faced with situations that are the unknown, adrenalin, absolute fear etc etc. I have made my case over and over in this debate so not going to go all into it again. There is no concrete evidence that he is aggressively violent bar threatening to "break the legs" of someone who is of dubious character himself....hell, my teenage son has pissed me off enough that Ive threatened to break his little neck . Im an average woman of sound mind, easy going and of a happy and peaceful nature but if I were to feel threatened in the least in my own home, I wouldnt think twice to sink my husbands axe into someone's head. Shyte does happen...tragic horrible stuff and then the "why why why" comes out and there really are no answers.

Why didnt this father ask who was there before blindly shooting:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/may/25/southafrica.rugbyunion
Im sure he asks himself that every single day of his life.

Why didnt this father make sure his young daughter was safe while intruders were in their house:
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/dad-mistakes-daughter-for-burglar-1.1300063#.USe79B3bTzA
Im sure he asks himself that every day of his life.

Not the same I know, but there is every possibility that Oscar is telling the truth and I dont want to forget that.

 

[Carol70]

Also a question ,maybe Carol you can answer it, can his girlfriend's file a wrongful death suit against him, and file for x amount of money?

Thanks

They can most certainly file a civil claim but after the criminal case is over, I dont think he can have two cases run concurrently for the same thing.

 

[Carol70]

It is true - A picture truly captures a moment.

Inobu

Lol, lawd, if anyone is going to change my mind, it shall be you Inobu.
That picture is something hey....

 

[Carol70]

The alcohol things throws me abit, He is an athlete and cant imagine he drinks that much anyway...I dont understand why it would be an issue!

 

[Patticake]

3 hrs Nkululeko Ncana Nkululeko Ncana ‏@NkululekoNcana

Just had the drive of my life tailing #OscarPistorius to a Waterkloof mansion. Garage doors shut with heavy security asking for privacy.

 

[Patticake]

The alcohol things throws me abit, He is an athlete and cant imagine he drinks that much anyway...I dont understand why it would be an issue!

Wasn't it Botha who mentioned on the first day of the bail hearing that it was clear that Oscar and Reeva had been drinking heavily?

 

[Carol70]

Wasn't it Botha who mentioned on the first day of the bail hearing that it was clear that Oscar and Reeva had been drinking heavily?

Not that I recall??? In fact, if Oscar was drinking heavily on the night, Im sure he would have added it in his statement giving credibility to his irrational fear on the night??

 

[Patticake]

Not that I recall??? In fact, if Oscar was drinking heavily on the night, Im sure he would have added it in his statement giving credibility to his irrational fear on the night??

I will research that this afternoon when I get home from work. BTW, lots of athletes drink while they are not training.

I did see that he was supposedly drinking before the big boat bust up:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...rlfriend-reports/story-e6freon6-1226578161509

Pistorius had troubles in his personal life. In February 2009, he crashed a speed boat he was piloting on South Africa's Vaal River. Witnesses said he had been drinking before the crash and officers found alcoholic beverages in the wreckage, though they acknowledged at the time they hadn't conducted a blood test on the athlete. Pistorius broke his nose, jaw and several ribs in the crash, as well as damaged his eye socket and required some 180 stitches to his face.

 

[SyraKelly]

I would like to know what you all see in that pic Inobu postedTIA
I have read so many stories & most people are very angry he got bail!

The only thing I see,he is not crying!!

 

[Zinn]

The alcohol things throws me abit, He is an athlete and cant imagine he drinks that much anyway...I dont understand why it would be an issue!

I don't think we can assume it was a request from OP. Is it an unusual restriction? I have no idea. Maybe someone familiar with SA trials can tell us if that's an unusual condition of bail in a case like this.

As for any previous issues with drinking, hard to say. IIRC, when OP wrecked his speedboat and required 100+ stitches, they didn't test him for drugs or alcohol.

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

[Patticake]

Not that I recall??? In fact, if Oscar was drinking heavily on the night, Im sure he would have added it in his statement giving credibility to his irrational fear on the night??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...-reportedly-house-Reeva-Steenkamp-murder.html

His blood samples are being tested and a source told The Sun: 'Steroid drugs were found at Pistorius’s home together with evidence of heavy drinking. That’s why police have specifically ordered that he be tested for steroids.'

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I will try to find the statement [I think [not sure] it came from Botha] about alcohol evidence at the house

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[Zinn]

I'm still hoping we'll learn more about Reeva being dressed when she was shot. According to a journalist's live tweets from the courtroom this morning, the State (Gerrie Nel, I think) said they believe the bullet through Reeva's short pants tells a story.