General Discussion Thread #4

[Estelle]

Thank you Whiterum. I had forgotten that. I cannot see that Botha would lie about tidiness of the house unless he had been told by the police not to mention it to anyone because it would obviously be a very important piece of evidence. He seems to have commented on virtually everything else, so the strewn awards story does seem unlikely.

You cannot trust Botha to tell the truth as the Prosecution did not want the Defence to know everything.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

BBM: This is the first time I have heard that she took the gift with her into the toilet (to use as a shield?). Do you have a link where you saw that? No, just searched for a long time, but not found.

I have seen a photo of the wrapped gift & valentine candies. The gift doesn't look like it has been handled very much. But it looks like the photo was taken with the gift lying on the floor on a towel. Looks like the bathroom tile wall & floor. ???

This photo of the gift I don't have seen before, but now it appears all over the articles I have checked.
When the scandal came up, there were several photos always with a single text and the description of what to see, ie on the toilet floor. I realized some journals and on top something undefinable, what didn't look like a wrapped gift. - But now all this is not to be found. :dunno:

 

[whiterum]

But isn't that a strange place for a present to be?

It is very strange. If I were given a gift I think it would be rude to leave in on the kitchen counter work top. I would show more appreciation by giving it 'pride of place ' in the house.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...us-shot-her-reveals-new-footage/1/277788.html

GIFT was found on the bedroom floor I guess.

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The pictures, which have been flashed by Sky News, show the trail of blood running through the house, from the loo-down the stairs, as Oscar carried Reeva's body. Another disturbing image is of unopened Valentine's gifts lying across the bedroom.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

This article is interesting...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=9831168

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A shop assistant at a party shop close to the Silver Woods Country Estate, where Pistorius resides, yesterday told Rekord that Steenkamp visited the shop last Wednesday, requesting special wrapping paper.

According to the shop assistant, Nellie Mokgabuda, she did not know who Steenkamp was when she walked through the doors. “She could have been any young woman busy with her late afternoon shopping, yet, I was struck by her beauty as she walked in with her loose blond hair and blue jeans.”
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http://www.looklocal.co.za/lookloca...etail&pid=4980311&Reeva’s-last-gift-for-Oscar

 

[whiterum]

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...us-shot-her-reveals-new-footage/1/277788.html

GIFT was found on the bedroom floor I guess.

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The pictures, which have been flashed by Sky News, show the trail of blood running through the house, from the loo-down the stairs, as Oscar carried Reeva's body. Another disturbing image is of unopened Valentine's gifts lying across the bedroom.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/feb/14/oscar-pistorius-golden-boy-edge-steel

Check the kitchen photo it appears to have the same small beige coloured wall tiles and brown coloured granite work surface where the Valentines gift is placed in the crime scene photo.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/feb/14/oscar-pistorius-golden-boy-edge-steel

Check the kitchen photo it appears to have the same small beige coloured wall tiles and brown coloured granite work surface where the Valentines gift is placed in the crime scene photo.

You're right Whiterum exactly the same as in the kitchen . I wonder if it was taken from the bedroom with the other evidences and photo was taken at another place i.e kitchen rather than where it was initially found. As in the first days of the case I remember it was mentioned to be found on the bedroom floor in many sources .It was even rumored to be broken but there was no mention of kitchen or bathroom

 

[whiterum]

You're right Whiterum exactly the same as in the kitchen . I wonder if it was taken from the bedroom with the other evidences and photo was taken at another place i.e kitchen rather than where it was initially found. As in the first days of the case I remember it was mentioned to be found on the bedroom floor in many sources .It was even rumored to be broken but there was no mention of kitchen or bathroom

Yes M_S, I remember too the numerous early reports some that her gift was found smashed on the floor but in that sky news photo it looks untouched and perfectly wrapped. There have been so many reports claimed to be from unnamed police sources, it is hard to tell what is true and what is false.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

This article is interesting...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=9831168

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A shop assistant at a party shop close to the Silver Woods Country Estate, where Pistorius resides, yesterday told Rekord that Steenkamp visited the shop last Wednesday, requesting special wrapping paper.

According to the shop assistant, Nellie Mokgabuda, she did not know who Steenkamp was when she walked through the doors. &#8220;She could have been any young woman busy with her late afternoon shopping, yet, I was struck by her beauty as she walked in with her loose blond hair and blue jeans.&#8221;
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http://www.news.com.au/world-news/last-interview-reeva-steenkamp-feared-lies


Reeva Steenkamp: "I don't want anything coming in the way of his career. He's such an amazing athlete."

As a considerate girlfriend you could have acted a little more discreet. Why do you need to take the Valentine's gift into the shop to wrap it there? I think Reeva was rather inconsistent in what she said and did. More often she talked like a grown woman, but acted like a teenager. I wonder if she was calculating or not.

Of course: - Justice for Reeva -

 

[whiterum]

You cannot trust Botha to tell the truth as the Prosecution did not want the Defence to know everything.

The report about the strewn trophies seems very believable the way it is written but Botha's interview was given in June 2013 quite a while after the newspaper report about strewn trophies in March 2013, so to lie about it in his interview would make no sense. Why would he try at that point to keep the DT in the dark about any strewn trophies since they would already be aware of it through the media and investigated it, in fact their client OP would obviously know all about this himself.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...rius-trophies-were-strewn-all-over-death-flat

This claim originated from the above newspaper article in 'The Daily Star Sunday ' as far as I'm aware. Although the wording in the report seems very believable and who on earth would be inclined to make up a story with such detail, actually quoting statements from a police source, what would be their reason. You would expect early witnesses on the scene such as OPs lawyer etc would also have seen these strewn trophies, that's if they were in the area of the trophy cabinet seen in the photos of his home at the bottom of the stairs or the kitchen. So unless this police source saw the strewn trophies in another area of the house unseen by the early witnesses and the area had been tidied up before Botha arrived or someone is a blatant liar.

In any case why did Botha mention the trophies and the neat and tidy house in his interview at all, maybe his intention was to dispel this report as a rumour.

 

[Interested Bystander]

If the story were true, OP's lawyer or friends surely would not mention it I but agree that at the moment it looks as though the story was untrue. 6 Months is a long time to wait to find out what really happened. I see already there is talk of a film about OP. I am unsure whether it is intended to include the RS murder.

Looking at the photos of the crime scene that were published there appears to be something on the floor on the right near the door. I am guessing it may be a pile of magazines, possibly a bag or forensic equipment but has anyone else have other ideas?

http://news.sky.com/story/1097557/pistorius-images-show-bloody-scene-of-killing

 

[whiterum]

If the story were true, OP's lawyer or friends surely would not mention it I but agree that at the moment it looks as though the story was untrue. 6 Months is a long time to wait to find out what really happened. I see already there is talk of a film about OP. I am unsure whether it is intended to include the RS murder.

Looking at the photos of the crime scene that were published there appears to be something on the floor on the right near the door. I am guessing it may be a pile of magazines, possibly a bag or forensic equipment but has anyone elsehave other ideas?

http://news.sky.com/story/1097557/pistorius-images-show-bloody-scene-of-killing

Yes I wondered what that could be but could not get a clear picture to determine what it was. It appears to be a of a see -through plastic material as you say could be a container of forensic material , as what appears to be a yellow rubber glove or cloth has been partly pulled out of a flap at the top. Also there is what appears to be white debris on the bathroom floor to the left behind the open toilet door. You can also see what looks like part of the broken off door panel just inside to the left of the toilet door propped up against the toilet wall.

 

[whiterum]

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/last-interview-reeva-steenkamp-feared-lies


Reeva Steenkamp: "I don't want anything coming in the way of his career. He's such an amazing athlete."

As a considerate girlfriend you could have acted a little more discreet. Why do you need to take the Valentine's gift into the shop to wrap it there? I think Reeva was rather inconsistent in what she said and did. More often she talked like a grown woman, but acted like a teenager. I wonder if she was calculating or not.

Of course: - Justice for Reeva -

IMO she did not expect to be giving it to him that evening as there was apparently no previous arrangement for them to meet on the 13th up until earlier that day . OP phoned and asked her if she was intending to go out with JD's girlfriend after JD had just informed him of Reeva's invitation to the movies, as was disclosed in JD's statement.

IMO OP phoned her and asked that they rather have a quiet dinner together and she agreed not the other way around as he claims in the first few lines of his affidavit. Seems to me he was miffed at hearing she was intending to go out, a typical controlling act to scupper any plans of going out she may have made for that evening. He had probably already arranged to meet his other party mates later that evening and could have been of the opinion Reeva would be sitting in.

Maybe she had everything ready but the wrapping paper for the present so she might as well have it quickly and expertly wrapped at the same time. Nothing unusual or sinister about that IMO, since mine usually end up crumpled and bent like a meat parcel straight from the butchers with a bow on top lol.

I think it is so very sad getting his Valentine present sorted and perfectly wrapped in light of the violence death she was about to suffer at his hands only hours later, it is unthinkable.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

IMO she did not expect to be giving it to him that evening .....................................

.......................... Nothing unusual or sinister about that IMO, since mine usually end up crumpled and bent like a meat parcel straight from the butchers with a bow on top lol. I seem to know exactly!

I think it is so very sad getting his Valentine present sorted and perfectly wrapped in light of the violence death she was about to suffer at his hands only hours later, it is unthinkable.

My link wasn't perfect because I couldn't find the better link, I had seen before (longer time ago). Now I have the more perfect (but not the total perfect) link, which made me thinking of "inconsistency":

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/06/oscar-pistorius-murder

Page 4 "In fact, Reeva, who referred to Oscar in her tweets as "my boo", didn't want to be known merely as Pistorius' girlfriend."

 

[whiterum]

My link wasn't perfect because I couldn't find the better link, I had seen before (longer time ago). Now I have the more perfect (but not the total perfect) link, which made me thinking of "inconsistency":

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/06/oscar-pistorius-murder

Page 4 "In fact, Reeva, who referred to Oscar in her tweets as "my boo", didn't want to be known merely as Pistorius' girlfriend."

IMO this is not a quote from Reeva, this appears to be the author's own thoughts judging by the fact she did not name him in her tweets but referred to him as "my boo". If she had named him in her tweets, she would then be accused of using his name for her own gain, IMO this was her reason, not the author's interpretation of it.

 

[whiterum]

I think WL reads WS ...He has hid his twitter acc..LOL

Never mind M_S we have your excellent record above LoL and may I add that WL is a very fit, good looking guy nline:

 

[Estelle]

I just read this report from Andy Murray in tennis about doping. As you already know my theory about why Reeva and Pistorius argued for 7 hours the night before he killed her is about doping as I can think of no other realistic motive to argue for so long and to kill the love of your life:

Doping is always a bad “thing” in every sport and there is always some embarrassment on talking about that. Andy Murray confirms to be a very straightforward person to openly criticize how the Cilic’s case has been handled.

Marin Cilic has “curiously” disappeared for… well whatever. Some were saying that it was an injury, but finally it came out the horrible word : Doping!

Apparently Marin has failed a drug test after he lost his opener against Ivan Dodig in Munich in April. Cilic has been informed about the ban when he was in Wimbledon to retire before playing De Scheppers citing a dubious injury. After a while everything came out and well Marin is still not playing and there is no official statement about it.

Murray: I don’t get it, “I think it’s about time everyone knew what was going on. I just don’t know why he’s not playing, it’s not that he’s injured.” Said Andy. “I don’t get it. Once it’s out in the open, then whether the hearing took two months or three or fourth months, so long as he isn’t playing in that period ... I think it’s too long for no one to say he has failed a drugs test.” He added. Well… can you ever say that Murray is wrong?

http://news.tennistonic.com/tennis-...es%20transparency%20in%20anti-doping%20regime

 

[Coldpizza]

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[MURDERER_SERVANT]

I noticed that Pisto said in a previous post that the talk was to be on the morning of 14 February. I had always assumed that it was going to be that night.

"On Steenkamp had been scheduled to give a motivational speech to students in Johannesburg. "It was about empowerment and inspiration and what inspires you and how to follow your dreams," said Tomlinson, who had Steenkamp's notes for the speech."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/14/reeva-steenkamp-friends-shock-at-loss

So why did Reeva feel the need to give OP his Valentine's Day present the night before?
I had assumed that she was going to be busy that night giving the talk so she could not see him. So going out with friends the night before makes sense now as they could then still see each other on the night of the 14th.

Surely Reeva would have wanted to practise her speech and go to bed early in preparation.

Perhaps Reeva wanted to talk to OP about his phoning her twice while she was with Warren Lahoud the day before initially. I think she must have had something on her mind she needed to talk about. Then later, I still predict that Reeva caught OP taking performance-enhancing drugs and she lost total respect for him then smashed his trophies. Her idol was exposed as a fake! What else could lead to a seven-hour argument? OP decided that RS had to go. What would be the most important thing to OP? His medals which, if exposed, he could lose. That was everything he had to live for!

I also think that they had planned or were expecting to see each other on the
14 th of Feb. prob for a dinner or so. We know that Reeva had a cinema plan with her friends on 13 th and then she would stay at GM's house that night as she texted CM that she was too tired to come. In the afternoon she chose the photos for the Valentines gift with CM and then went making it framed and wrapped to give OP the next day. I tend to believe that OP's call to meet at his house for a quite dinner was after she had made up her gift .So with a big possibility she knew or expected to stay at OP's house on 13 th. for a long romantic night and a nice Valentines day morning together and she brought the gift with her. She also might have thought to give her gift after 12 pm as a surprise .

As for OP 's gift to Reeva , maybe he would buy it on 14 th and give it at night when they see each other. and Reeva's staying with him on 13 th was not planned before and was decided in the afterrnoon/evening. There may be times these kind of gifts are bought at the very last moment however I dont see OP's that busy not having time before 14 th anyway.

 

[CanManEh]

If he is found guilty what is your thought about him being in prison Not that i feel sorry for the guy if indeed this was planned but do you think they would put him in the same prison as what a person with no disabillities would go to just wondering what ya all think.