General Discussions #4

[newkid]

The stuff being sold on ebay was computer equipment, and new stuff at that. This was back in Raven's HP days.

forgot to add that my husband doesn't think Raven was involved in ebaying the HP stuff.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

For Raven???

BTW, I don't know or remember ... does Janet have family in Utah? Whose family put together the funeral service? This memorial fund is bizarre in that it is located in Utah, and I guess I just assumed that Janet's family arranged the funeral. But maybe Raven did with the help of his family since he was her husband. Still, if Raven is still on the East Coast, I don't know why this fund would be set up in Utah in the first place. Maybe I'm just making too much of this.

Kinda goes back to the possibility of Raven's family in Utah helping out with the attorney's expenses for Raven and wants to be reimbursed????

 

[golfmom]

The stuff being sold on ebay was computer equipment, and new stuff at that. This was back in Raven's HP days.

You made me sputter all over the screen!
:slap:

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

No, I believe Rooster stated a laptop was taken....nothing stated by LE (as we all know)!!!

I actually meant to ask if we know that there was a desktop. :doh: Not quite as easy to grab one of those on the way out.

 

[golfmom]

I actually meant to ask if we know that there was a desktop. :doh: Not quite as easy to grab one of those on the way out.

Sure looked like one in the picture at ravenstree.com

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

I heard something that the company was famous for a big yard sale and sold older merchandise at a substantial discount. Do you think that's what was being sold on ebay?

THAT is exactly what I heard. They have an annual "yard sale" where they sell all sorts of discontinued items, overstock, etc. And people can buy whatever (even the public is invited, although I THINK it's open initially to employees only)....and often, people would buy "stuff" and then resell on eBay. In truth, I don't think there's any crime or misdoing in this whatsoever...as long as the employee purchased and PAID for the items, then it would seem to be theirs, to do then whatever they chose...

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I actually meant to ask if we know that there was a desktop. :doh: Not quite as easy to grab one of those on the way out.

Didn't Rooster post that the desktop was possibly pawned?

Which could be the reason why it wasn't on the search warrant??

 

[golfmom]

THAT is exactly what I heard. They have an annual "yard sale" where they sell all sorts of discontinued items, overstock, etc. And people can buy whatever (even the public is invited, although I THINK it's open initially to employees only)....and often, people would buy "stuff" and then resell on eBay. In truth, I don't think there's any crime or misdoing in this whatsoever...as long as the employee purchased and PAID for the items, then it would seem to be theirs, to do then whatever they chose...

I didn't mean to imply there was anything wrong with the employees doing this. It's actually pretty smart. If I worked there, I'd be saving my pennies all year to do that!

 

[golfmom]

Didn't Rooster post that the desktop was possibly pawned?

Which could be the reason why it wasn't on the search warrant??

No, I suggested it as a possibility when Rooster brought up the fact that *something* was pawned to feed the family.

But I just don't think that was the pawned item ... but if it was, LE has it and then we wouldn't see it on the items seized list.

So just where is this laptop that Rooster is convinced is missing? I'm not convinced in any way shape or form that it was *stolen*.

 

[Jesstexas]

All the following is total speculation on my part - please feel free to poke holes in my theory:

Some of the intial reports said that it was a friend/coworker of Janet's who first alerted police that something was wrong because Janet hadn't responded to an (e-mail? instant?) message online. The only plausible way that makes sense to me is if Janet had told the co-worker, THAT day at work, that she had found something out (total guessing here, but something along the lines of he promised to be faithful when we reconciled and now he's carrying on with someone in the office?) and that she intended to tell him something that she knew would anger him (that she was leaving and taking the baby, perhaps?) that night. That she was concerned for her own safety, prompting the co-worker to be concerned as well.

Janet worked in an office, so I assume she arrived home in the evenings around 6:00 or so? I doubt something of the magnitude of "I'm leaving you" could wait very long after she arrived home. She tells him the jig is up, he tells her she's crazy, and she goes into the office - where the laptop is on the desk - to show him her proof. She's sitting in front the computer when he stabs her in the shoulder. She gets up and fends off another blow with her hand before he stabs her in the chest, fatally.

Her husband supposedly left the house at 7:30 to go play soccer (as someone on here has suggested)? That time would fit - off he goes to play soccer as if nothing at all is wrong, establishing his alibi. Her co-worker sees that she's online, tries instant messaging her to see how it went and gets VERY concerned when Janet won't answer.

If Kaiden was asleep when all this happened, I don't think it totally implausible that the husband would leave him alone.

If Janet was using a laptop that night, and the laptop was in the bedroom/office where her body was found, and that laptop is now missing (either hidden away somewhere by her husband or taken in an actual burglary), isn't there some way law enforcement can track whether or not it's being used?

And why hasn't the concerned co-worker come forward (assuming there is one, of course)?

 

[NCBanker]

I don't mean to offend, but you're way off on your diamond values. There's suggested retail or appraised value, which no one EVER pays, and then there's street value, which is actually more accurate. IF Raven pawned her diamond, I can promise you he got less than $1000 for it.

Jerseygirl, in one of the portraits of the little family on the page of Raven's site where he tells of their visit to his relatives in Utah, Janet is holding Kaiden and it appears that last Christmas, at least, she had a diamond or other clear stone ring on. I enlarged the photo because of the pawn shop ticket.. IF it was genuine ( A big if in Raven's case) then it would have been a $15,000 or so diamond retail. Probably $4,000 pawned... not sure how that works but I know they don't give much for anything.

 

[golfmom]

Who are we to say that the concerned co-worker hasn't come forward? They may very well be working very closely with LE at this time.

BTW, I think you did an excellent job laying out how this murder could have possibly occured.

 

[golfmom]

Everyone run over to the crime scene thread so NCB can tell us what house he was at! :woohoo:

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

On another topic entirely, more or less..

I went over and drove by the house today on Ferrand Drive (no, didn't stop, just slowed a looked around a little).

I would not call this some high-end expensive neighborhood. BUT, it's a nice average middle class neighborhood. Very neat. Tended years. People out walking around, etc. It actually does not look like a neighborhood necessarily, IMO, where you would even find a rental property. I did a little checking on that, and that Greijn (sp?) guy who owns the house bought it a few years ago, maybe in 2002 or 2003, one or the other. From the history I could tell, he does that a lot. Buys houses, then rents them.

My point is, as referenced by someone earlier, this is NOT some derelict run down neighborhood. Certainly not a place you could imagine being overrun with drug dealers, etc. NOW, that said, of course I realize that anything can happen anywhere. But, just as far as generalities go, this doesn't fit the bill, in the least.

 

[Moxie]

For Raven???

BTW, I don't know or remember ... does Janet have family in Utah? Whose family put together the funeral service? This memorial fund is bizarre in that it is located in Utah, and I guess I just assumed that Janet's family arranged the funeral. But maybe Raven did with the help of his family since he was her husband. Still, if Raven is still on the East Coast, I don't know why this fund would be set up in Utah in the first place. Maybe I'm just making too much of this.

Hi JerseyGirl,

No, you are not making too much of it at all. You are asking very valid questions.

Moxie

 

[golfmom]

On another topic entirely, more or less..

I went over and drove by the house today on Ferrand Drive (no, didn't stop, just slowed a looked around a little).

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Can you confirm for us on the sat. picture which house we're supposed to be looking at? It's in the crime scene thread.

 

[newkid]

My point is, as referenced by someone earlier, this is NOT some derelict run down neighborhood. Certainly not a place you could imagine being overrun with drug dealers, etc. NOW, that said, of course I realize that anything can happen anywhere. But, just as far as generalities go, this doesn't fit the bill, in the least.

What I meant by the house somehow being involved in drugs is that it's a rental and may sit empty at times. Also it's not easily seen from the road (at least it appears that way in pictures).

From what I've read about him, I wouldn't think Raven would willingly move into a run down neighborhood.

 

[golfmom]

What I meant by the house somehow being involved in drugs is that it's a rental and may sit empty at times. Also it's not easily seen from the road (at least it appears that way in pictures).

From what I've read about him, I wouldn't think Raven would willingly move into a run down neighborhood.

Newkid, did you see the archive version of pocketpcguy? He was writing to Shiloh about a bunch of properties and started talking about rats, but he wasn't worried because it was nothing a couple of good dogs couldn't take care of.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Can you confirm for us on the sat. picture which house we're supposed to be looking at? It's in the crime scene thread.

Ok, here goes, I'll try and be clear. First of all the street Cohnwood is the street running perpendicular to the pic (running west to east). It end in the curve and suddenly become Ferrand Drive. Just past the white car there is a driveway on the right. That is NOT the drive. IT IS THE NEXT DRIVEWAY.....

Hope that helps??

 

[NCBanker]

Thanks for backing me up on that, neighbor!

On another topic entirely, more or less..

I went over and drove by the house today on Ferrand Drive (no, didn't stop, just slowed a looked around a little).

I would not call this some high-end expensive neighborhood. BUT, it's a nice average middle class neighborhood. Very neat. Tended years. People out walking around, etc. It actually does not look like a neighborhood necessarily, IMO, where you would even find a rental property. I did a little checking on that, and that Greijn (sp?) guy who owns the house bought it a few years ago, maybe in 2002 or 2003, one or the other. From the history I could tell, he does that a lot. Buys houses, then rents them.

My point is, as referenced by someone earlier, this is NOT some derelict run down neighborhood. Certainly not a place you could imagine being overrun with drug dealers, etc. NOW, that said, of course I realize that anything can happen anywhere. But, just as far as generalities go, this doesn't fit the bill, in the least.