General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[krkrjx]

OK...how about this?

Going with the scenario that there was a party and Haleigh met with an accident there--OD or whatever.

If all or most of the players were in attendance: Misty, Tommy, JO, NayNay, WBG, and maybe others...they all clammed up to protect each other because if the truth came out they would all go down. RC could have been there also, since we don't know for sure that he was at work for his entire shift. But even if he was at work and not at the party, they could have told him the drugs Haleigh ingested were his.

It would explain all the lies, all the weird behaviors, the attempts to cover up and to derail the investigation, etc. And if they all knew for a fact that Haleigh would never be found, they could all be pretty sure there would never be the evidence needed to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[krkrjx]

Another OD scenario:

They had all used Haleigh's nebulizer to do drugs. Maybe they did it during a party at the MH. And maybe RC's weird behavior is because he had done this on occasion himself. At any rate, residue in the machine got into Haleigh's system and she became ill, and they panicked.

This would probably be some kind of negligence charge...not murder. But maybe in their panic they did not think of that. And now they are in so deep that the charges would be greater, so they can't admit to anything now.

In this scenario, fewer people could be involved. It could have been a small party, just Misty and Tommy, maybe JO and a few others. But for nothing to have leaked, I would go with the fewest people being involved. JMO.

Ignore me, folks--I'm wide awake tonite and thinking out loud

 

[Whisperer]

There is always the possibility that Haleigh died any number of ways including the unthinkable and rc was told she died of an overdose and it was his fault. I used this theory before when I said Haleigh could have drowned in the bath tub and misty told rc she od'd.

 

[4Jacy]

BBM: Bolded above. This comment jarred my memory a bit. Have we ever heard a description of the "special" outfit that Haleigh insisted on wearing and prompted the rushed, morning trip to GGMS' house to fetch? I'm just wondering if this "special" outfit was ever found by LE. This story has always made me think that part of the story was true and that maybe this outfit was really brought over by GGMS and that Haleigh was buried in it. I do believe that there are parts and pieces of the stories that are true; the timeline and situation told may not be true but little tid bits are true. You just have to pick it out with the tweezers sometimes. For instance, Tommy was suppose to have failed the LDT but LE is out searching with divers and boats at that boat ramp immediately after the LDT. Obviously LE believed at least one of the answers that Tommy gave them. That search cost quite a bit to conduct, same as draining the pond.

Ron does not have the patience to rush to GGS house because Haleigh insisted she wear a certain outfit to school. No way! So, LT, your theory could possibly be a very plausible one. txs

 

[1Chump]

Ron does not have the patience to rush to GGS house because Haleigh insisted she wear a certain outfit to school. No way! So, LT, your theory could possibly be a very plausible one. txs

IMO, Haleigh and Jr. stayed with GGma Sykes on Sunday night. Ron had to rush over to take Haleigh to school. They knew that they had to cover why Haleigh was not on the bus and Ron rushed by the bus stop. They could not tell the truth about Haleigh/Jr because they would also have to admit that Ron and Misty had not made up.

IMO, the lies started Sunday night with Misty coming home to the MH. If they admitted that Misty/Ron were still fighting, LE would then ask why would Ron allow Misty to stay with the kids. That might make LE question if Misty was the person with the kids and who did have the kids.

IMO, Misty was brought in AFTER they realized they needed a fall girl. I still say Misty did not just go along with it but was forced to go along with it. I think Misty was told about Haleigh. Then she was told that TN and GGma Sykes were going to back Ron that he left the kids with Misty. Misty knew LE was NEVER going to believe her over TN and GGma Sykes. Misty distraught over Haleigh was given the choice, either we help cover for you or we tell LE that you were watching Haleigh when she died. I even think the marriage was to get Misty away from her parents both physically and legally.

These are just my opinions.

 

[cluciano63]

I just read a (true) book about a very twisted family (incest, abuse, etc.) in which at one point, a toddler was killed; the family was in the habit of giving the children Nquil at night so as not to be bothered and on one night, the child woke up crying and would not take more Nyquil, so the mother suffocated him to shut him up. (she ended up only being charged with manslaughter, as she was able to make a deal as they really wanted the father.) Anyway, many things about the people in this family are much like the people in Haleigh's case (also the child's death and another murder took place in Fla.) It just made me think of Haleigh and if this sort of Nyquil-dosing would be something they might do. Though of course, they probably would not want to waste the Nyquil on a child, but it is possible.

 

[Whisperer]

Not only have we not heard what the "special" outfit was that Haleigh had to be driven to Welatka before school but we never heard the description of the shirt GMA put on Haliegh while she visited on Feb 9 between 7:30 and 8:00pj. That is strange because it could be the last thing she wore and what she was wearing when she vanished...

If gma always did their laundry, how difficult would it be to figure out the clothes that were missing It looks like she took great care because those clothes were spotless.

 

[kant]

I just read a (true) book about a very twisted family (incest, abuse, etc.) in which at one point, a toddler was killed; the family was in the habit of giving the children Nquil at night so as not to be bothered and on one night, the child woke up crying and would not take more Nyquil, so the mother suffocated him to shut him up. (she ended up only being charged with manslaughter, as she was able to make a deal as they really wanted the father.) Anyway, many things about the people in this family are much like the people in Haleigh's case (also the child's death and another murder took place in Fla.) It just made me think of Haleigh and if this sort of Nyquil-dosing would be something they might do. Though of course, they probably would not want to waste the Nyquil on a child, but it is possible.

I wondered about this scenario and it might not even have to be at night. If you (not you, you - but the collective "you" ) think about the supposed 3 day bender or what have you, the supposed ardent arguing, the likely stress and short tempers from partying, arguing, lack of sleep etc that idea doesnt seem entirely implausible to me; If you have a certain kind of personality and views on things, (dosing kids to shut them up being one thing) animated kids could be considered too much and a dosing episode may seem like the remedy at the time to get folks quiet... even in the day... for a nap -- or in the morning, if the parent has been up all night and the kids wake up too early. IDK. Maybe the older child gets more - and too much - and doesnt wake up.

moo

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[leslie1960]

I wondered about this scenario and it might not even have to be at night. If you (not you, you - but the collective "you" ) think about the supposed 3 day bender or what have you, the supposed ardent arguing, the likely stress and short tempers from partying, arguing, lack of sleep etc that idea doesnt seem entirely implausible to me; If you have a certain kind of personality and views on things, (dosing kids to shut them up being one thing) animated kids could be considered too much and a dosing episode may seem like the remedy at the time to get folks quiet... even in the day... for a nap -- or in the morning, if the parent has been up all night and the kids wake up too early. IDK. Maybe the older child gets more - and too much - and doesnt wake up.

moo

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I have often considered this possibility myself. What if each child was given a dose in a cup of juice, a can of soda - something that the children consider a treat, increasing the likelihood that it will be totally consumed? Junior, at 3-going-on-4, starts playing and forgets his drink. Haleigh finishes her drink, notices that Junior has walked away from his, and decides to "share" it with him. She ends up taking far more than a single dose...

 

[Chablis]

I have often considered this possibility myself. What if each child was given a dose in a cup of juice, a can of soda - something that the children consider a treat, increasing the likelihood that it will be totally consumed? Junior, at 3-going-on-4, starts playing and forgets his drink. Haleigh finishes her drink, notices that Junior has walked away from his, and decides to "share" it with him. She ends up taking far more than a single dose...

But then you can lie and say the child got into it in the bathroom and drank it, it would have been a true accident, they could lie. Thats more explainable than lets say a bullet wound.

 

[leslie1960]

True, IF the medication was Nyquil, Benadryl - something you could justify having in the home. But what if the kids were given Xanax, or even Oxycontin, mixed into their juice? If you don't have a prescription for that medication, you'd have some explaining to do. If the drug is found in BOTH children, and one of them DIED as a result, you're in big trouble!

This is just speculation on my part; truth is, I have NO IDEA what might have happened. IF Haleigh died of an overdose, I have the feeling the drug wasn't an over-the-counter medication, because like you, I think that could've been explained.

 

[dodie20]

True, IF the medication was Nyquil, Benadryl - something you could justify having in the home. But what if the kids were given Xanax, or even Oxycontin, mixed into their juice? If you don't have a prescription for that medication, you'd have some explaining to do. If the drug is found in BOTH children, and one of them DIED as a result, you're in big trouble!

This is just speculation on my part; truth is, I have NO IDEA what might have happened. IF Haleigh died of an overdose, I have the feeling the drug wasn't an over-the-counter medication, because like you, I think that could've been explained.

but, since they're blaming Joe anyway, they could've said that he either gave it to the kids, or dropped one, that they must've found & shared. I'm thinking that either Haleigh's body has proof of no accident, (bullet? bashed skull?), or they did something so horrible during the disposal, (cremation?), that they don't want to own up.

 

[Chablis]

True, IF the medication was Nyquil, Benadryl - something you could justify having in the home. But what if the kids were given Xanax, or even Oxycontin, mixed into their juice? If you don't have a prescription for that medication, you'd have some explaining to do. If the drug is found in BOTH children, and one of them DIED as a result, you're in big trouble!

This is just speculation on my part; truth is, I have NO IDEA what might have happened. IF Haleigh died of an overdose, I have the feeling the drug wasn't an over-the-counter medication, because like you, I think that could've been explained.

No, I see what you are saying, and yes, it could be something that was something the child should not have had access to.

 

[leslie1960]

Poor little Haleigh! There are so many possibilities, and so few "facts". One lie after another from the players, deception from the families...it's truly heartbreaking. I can't imagine how these people can live with themselves. My conscience would destroy me, if I were in their shoes. Of course, I guess that's because, like everyone here, I HAVE a conscience.

 

[dodie20]

Poor little Haleigh! There are so many possibilities, and so few "facts". One lie after another from the players, deception from the families...it's truly heartbreaking. I can't imagine how these people can live with themselves. My conscience would destroy me, if I were in their shoes. Of course, I guess that's because, like everyone here, I HAVE a conscience.

I didn't have great childhood, in fact it was pretty crummy, at times, but we kids never told lies, & we always fessed up to our wrongdoings. Once, while in the 10th grade, I got caught skipping school. When questioned by the principal, I didn't even try to lie, because my mind didn't work that way. So, where all of my friends got caught lieing, & were suspended, the principal, floored by my honesty, just let me go. & no, I didn't rat out my friends. a truant officer had spotted us, lol. But, I would no more have lied to an authority figure, even in an attempt to save my hide, than, well, IDK. I just wouldn't have done it, still wouldn't do it, & I've raised my kids not to do it. These people & their lieing, really throw me, because I'm always looking for that hidden truth. It's hard to accept that there might be no truth, because they are all just a bunch of liars.

 

[cluciano63]

These people remind me so much of the ones I read about with the Nyquil, etc. They never even considered calling the police, even before they found out that the mother had put her hand over the child's mouth until he stopped breathing. They went right into cover up mode and buried the child themselves, as is he never existed. So it doesn't seem that far-fetched a scenario. However Haleigh died, they would be likely to want to put it off as a child-missing case rather than have to try to explain anything. Look how good they are at explaining things.

 

[kant]

But then you can lie and say the child got into it in the bathroom and drank it, it would have been a true accident, they could lie. Thats more explainable than lets say a bullet wound.

Good point. So if that were the case, hypothetically, then the logical, likely scenario would be to call 911 and get help for the child who truly and accidently got into this medicine (OR if someone gave it to her/them, one could still try to argue, "they got into it.") So for me that speaks to the notion that if it were an OD situation that maybe it was not a common OTC substance, not an OTC substance at all, or even not a legally obtained substance.

moo

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[Chablis]

Good point. So if that were the case, hypothetically, then the logical, likely scenario would be to call 911 and get help for the child who truly and accidently got into this medicine (OR if someone gave it to her/them, one could still try to argue, "they got into it.") So for me that speaks to the notion that if it were an OD situation that maybe it was not a common OTC substance, not an OTC substance at all, or even not a legally obtained substance.

moo

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If it was an OD, I believe it would be something that no one had a script for, so blaming it on accidental, even if it wasn't, wasn't an option. I dont feel this was OD. I tend to believe this child died over violence intended for Misty, be it a gunshot or a blow to the head.

 

[lonetraveler]

IMO, Haleigh and Jr. stayed with GGma Sykes on Sunday night. Ron had to rush over to take Haleigh to school. They knew that they had to cover why Haleigh was not on the bus and Ron rushed by the bus stop. They could not tell the truth about Haleigh/Jr because they would also have to admit that Ron and Misty had not made up.

IMO, the lies started Sunday night with Misty coming home to the MH. If they admitted that Misty/Ron were still fighting, LE would then ask why would Ron allow Misty to stay with the kids. That might make LE question if Misty was the person with the kids and who did have the kids.

IMO, Misty was brought in AFTER they realized they needed a fall girl. I still say Misty did not just go along with it but was forced to go along with it. I think Misty was told about Haleigh. Then she was told that TN and GGma Sykes were going to back Ron that he left the kids with Misty. Misty knew LE was NEVER going to believe her over TN and GGma Sykes. Misty distraught over Haleigh was given the choice, either we help cover for you or we tell LE that you were watching Haleigh when she died. I even think the marriage was to get Misty away from her parents both physically and legally.These are just my opinions.

I agree with your theory. I think that Misty has been repeating exactly what she was told to say. This situation could also explain some of the answers she gave during the Poly and LVA.

 

[lonetraveler]

There is always the possibility that Haleigh died any number of ways including the unthinkable and rc was told she died of an overdose and it was his fault. I used this theory before when I said Haleigh could have drowned in the bath tub and misty told rc she od'd.

Just the fact that no one seemed willing to watch them that night makes me think that Ron may have drugged them and then locked them inside so that he could go to work, meanwhile Teresa was suppose to have shown up but something kept her from showing up so she sent GMS over to check on the children. I think one of the children was unresponsive. Maybe GGMs took Jr. and went to get the nurse in the family. The nurse found that Haleigh had died. GGMS took Jr. home with her and called Teresa. Teresa came up with a plan. Someone in the Cummings family was to come by boat to the dock close to Ron's house and pick up Haleigh. I think that Ron called Tommy to get him to take the illegal drugs, guns and probably pot plants out of the home prior to the 911 call being placed. Tommy got Timmy (and maybe Joe) to come by and pick him up in the van. The pot plants were dropped off near the Mondex pond and at least one of the guns were hidden in the culvert where Ron could pick it up later. Misty finally showed up at around 2:15 am. Tommy and whichever one helped him was there and told her Haleigh was missing. Misty screamed out, neighbor heard it. Misty was seen by a neighbor around that time walking outside and crying on the cell phone. Teresa and Ron forcefully got Misty to go along with the plan. Ron left so that he could stop by the store, supposedly on his way home and Teresa left and parked near the train tracks until she was "officially" called to appear at the home.