General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[azwriter]

Some very interesting previous posts. You folks are cooking.
My comments involves Ron's part in the 911 call. When he announces his threat to kill whoever took his daughter, he adds that officials can record that threat.

In my thinking, that was Ron's first step to cover his involvement to whatever happened to Haleigh. He knew he was being recorded in the 911 call. But he wanted to make sure there was a record of him being very angry about his daughter's disappearance. By doing that he's setting up the I am innocent defense. I'm an angry father who couldn't possibly have anything to do with her demise.

Further, he adds another piece of information to the call "I was at work." This is his alibi and he puts it front and center.

Dodie 20 is right, Ron isn't a tough guy. But Ron does his hardest to appear that way possibly because by his actions, he's messed with a lot of people and he needs that image to protect himself.

When I consider Ron, I see him with a self image that he's King of the Hill. I think he has a fascination with the Godfather movie series. He uses a headless rat in a mail box as a warning. Remember the race horse's head in the guys bed, from a scene in the Godfather movie?

Also he uses a line from the Godfather "Keep your enemies close," in defense of him marrying the last person alleged to have seen his daughter before she went missing.

For all sense and purpose, Ron sees himself as the Godfather, a true untouchable gangster. He does his best to project that reputation.

However, unlike the rest of you, I believe LE is looking very closely at Ron and they are not about to let the waiting public know this until they have the whole bag of evidence in a row to nab all who took part in this little girl's fate.

It's all, just my opinion.

 

[krkrjx]

RC may be all hot air, but I believe he is responsible for his daughter's demise directly or indirectly, and is directly involved in the cover-up from the beginning.

I also believe there is a good chance he will get away with it.

And--ya'll know how good it feels to be right about something? Well, about this, I really want to be wrong.

 

[Whisperer]

I always the "man in black" was started by Crystal. Ron dismissed it altogether. When told his son said it, he responds, "I was at werk". That response had nothing to do with the question but rc always does this.

Recently I heard that the man in black was not first heard by Crystalj, but by a Cummings. I don't know which way to turn with these stories. Each time rc gets a chance for an out, he dismisses it. It is like if he doesn't tell the story or have the information, nothing is right.

 

[Maia]

I always the "man in black" was started by Crystal. Ron dismissed it altogether. When told his son said it, he responds, "I was at werk". That response had nothing to do with the question but rc always does this.

Recently I heard that the man in black was not first heard by Crystalj, but by a Cummings. I don't know which way to turn with these stories. Each time rc gets a chance for an out, he dismisses it. It is like if he doesn't tell the story or have the information, nothing is right.

BBM: I read the same thing here. Someone had posted it not too long ago. Am I correct in that LE had professionals speak with Jr in the first few days and it was said to them?

 

[twall]

BBM: I read the same thing here. Someone had posted it not too long ago. Am I correct in that LE had professionals speak with Jr in the first few days and it was said to them?

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[dodie20]

RC may be all hot air, but I believe he is responsible for his daughter's demise directly or indirectly, and is directly involved in the cover-up from the beginning.

I also believe there is a good chance he will get away with it.

And--ya'll know how good it feels to be right about something? Well, about this, I really want to be wrong.

I agree. I do believe that Ron is directly involved in the cover-up. TN too. & that's why I think he's sitting in jail, & can't make bond. He knows what happened & LE knows he knows what happened. I think LE is sick of Ron & TN & their manipulations. I think, (hope), that they realize, they're gonna have to weed through Ron's & TN's lies, cover-up, & actions, to get to the truth. These people can't be ignored or factored out...& treating Ron like a grieving father, just gets in the way of the truth. This LE really, really gets under my skin. I've felt like they've hounded a teenager to the ground, while deferring to an adult con man. & I wish if they had some evidence against her, they'd just go ahead & arrest her, & get this thing over with. My God, how hard can the Croslins be to crack? But then I think, (hope), that there's a method to this madness. & I'm betting that eventually, this case will be solved. I just wish that it could be solved with old fashioned police work, & not need an eyewitness, confession, body, or whatever it is they're waiting on.

 

[Snowbunny]

Here's a thought I will throw out there...why would Ronald Cummings call Misty in NY to let her know that Donna Brock was befriending her? If Ronald Cummings was not involved in his daughter's demise or coverup you would think he would want anyone to get Misty to talk rather than make sure that she watched what she said around Donna. That right there told me that Ronald wasn't keeping his enemies close but rather he was making sure he didn't get burned and that she didn't implicate him. Ronald has always tried to control what Misty said or did from the very beginning and the story Misty tells is the story that has been fed to her by the Cummings, but why? Why are the Cummings so scared of what Misty might say about the Haleigh situation? That right there is the question LE should be asking Ronald and company about. In all the public interviews that Misty ever did with Ronald by her side she looked at Ronald for the answers of what to say. The story she told wasn't Misty's story but rather Ronald's story. If Ronald was such a loving father then one would think he would want Misty to tell all that she knew in order to find his daughter rather than control what she said.

 

[dodie20]

the rat & the call? (text?) about Donna Brock, were 2 of the things that kept me thinking that Ron was guilty. But...I think by this time, Ron had moved on & had bigger fish to fry. Those 2 incidents may have had absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh-just Ron being paranoid & playing at espionage. also, I got the impression that Ron was jealous of Donna Brock & the attention that she & Misty, got together, so he may have, (in an immature way), been trying to seperate them. I also thought that the call, & some of Cobra's tapes, pointed to Ron protecting Misty. But why??? These were 2 of the things that really muddied the investigative waters. I wonder what LE thinks about them.

 

[Maia]

I absolutely agree that RC is involved in this up to his eyeballs, either directly or indirectly, and have from the very beginning. It is also MHO that TN and GGMS are involved as well. Those three have been the controlling factors since day one. TN and GGMS controlling RC and RC, TN and GGMS controlling MC.

I also believe that, as inadequate as LE seems because of their silence and lack of arrest(s) (as yet), they have known all along what happened. I believe LE took everyone’s DNA early on for a reason. The obvious reason would be that they found some evidence in the mh…but that is JMO. It is also JMO that they have targeted MC because she appeared at first to be the weakest link…a 17 yr old girl with a 6th grade education. I really think they thought that after being questioned at length by PCSO, FDLE and the FBI, she would crack. I don’t think they realized just how very scared she is of RC, TN and GGMS. Please understand I am in no way defending MC. She is in the middle of this but I’m not sure she put herself there…and then again, maybe she did. It just seems to me that everything MC has done and said has been scripted by one or all of the Cummings family.

I’m not saying LE has done everything right, or the way we would like for them to…I just have to have faith in them because at this point I have NO faith in any of the players in either family or anything they say. All JMO…

 

[dodie20]

Rn is a wanna-be-, billy-barney bad azz and he is nothing w/o a gun. All of his machismo lies within whatever gun he carries. He claimed to have a gun inside the residence.....the question is did he know where it really was? Safely stashed away at Tommy's? I say yes. When LE wanted it and couldn't find it; he told them it must have been stolen and he would get it. He did. We don't have a timeline on that though.

He knew instantly that Haleigh was not recoverable, imo. What made him come to that conclusion and resolve? I will never understand this if he wasn't involved. ANY person in his shoes would be questioning the heck out of misty and never letting up. ANY person would drive over to the last person they had a fight with and demand answers....but not him.

Logic brings normal people to say he must have harmed Haleigh. Logic has no place in this crime. If it did, it would be solved. These people are from a sub-culture that I do not understand and struggling to figure it out. Drugs, alcohol, sex and guns are their joys in life and they don't let much else get in their way. They don't have any rules. Women and children will do what they say or else! All of the men in this group have had an TRO or been charged w/assault. They think nothing of hitting their women or their children...IMO.

Did rc go too far? Possibly...but LE doesn't seem to look that way.
Did JO go into a rage and kill Haleigh? Possibly and it looks like LE is looking there
Did Misty kill Haleigh? Possibly...
Did Timmy kill Haleigh? possilbly but why? Strikes me as a person w/kge
Did tommy kill Haleigh? possibly but why? Strikes me as a person w/kge

LE has three of the four/five in jail and one more they are trying to put in jail. They have rc in there for a reason, I must remember that (though at times I forget). There is no way they would keep an innocent father of a murdered child locked up like this UNLESS he has information about that night. They apparently do not have much sympathy for Ronald Cummings.

I wonder if tomorrow will bring us any closer....

you're right. logic doesn't play into these people's lives. just because Ron said he'd go after whoever took Haleigh, doesn't mean he would. & just because his words match what we'd do, in a similar situation, doesn't mean he meant them. He didn't go after Misty, Joe, Tommy...nobody. But, what does that tell us? absolutely nothing. because we don't think like he does. To tell you the truth, I don't have any idea of why he didn't follow through with his threats. I can only guess. & I guess he just had better things to do, than confront the people, that he thought murdered his daughter. He didn't even bother reporting his suspicions to LE. But now...it seems he has something `to say. whatever.

 

[Concerned Papa]

you're right. logic doesn't play into these people's lives. just because Ron said he'd go after whoever took Haleigh, doesn't mean he would. & just because his words match what we'd do, in a similar situation, doesn't mean he meant them. He didn't go after Misty, Joe, Tommy...nobody. But, what does that tell us? absolutely nothing. because we don't think like he does. To tell you the truth, I don't have any idea of why he didn't follow through with his threats. I can only guess. & I guess he just had better things to do, than confront the people, that he thought murdered his daughter. He didn't even bother reporting his suspicions to LE. But now...it seems he has something `to say. whatever.

In one conversation with Cobra, RC said:

ron: if i had 75 percent, dude… i`d burn the other 25 percent, and i`d burn whoever it is and sit in prison thinking i was 75% sure i got that person
that had my daughter.

In another he said this:

ron: joe said the corridor would be the perfect **ing place to kill somebody…

cobra: bam

ron: dump them right in the water… let the alligators take care of the rest.

cobra: bam!

ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.

I'm wondering at what percentage point he considers "probable" to be?

 

[Whisperer]

So JO made those statements before Haleigh disappeared and ron made the connection and never went after JO. JO was a few miles from him when rc discovered Haleigh missing and rc sat in his driveway, crying...okiedokiethen.l

RC didn't drag misty down to the station to give more info on JO. He and misty stayed silent for five months while LE were begging ron and misty to talk with them....hmm.

 

[watchinginky]

Some very interesting previous posts. You folks are cooking.
My comments involves Ron's part in the 911 call. When he announces his threat to kill whoever took his daughter, he adds that officials can record that threat.

In my thinking, that was Ron's first step to cover his involvement to whatever happened to Haleigh. He knew he was being recorded in the 911 call. But he wanted to make sure there was a record of him being very angry about his daughter's disappearance. By doing that he's setting up the I am innocent defense. I'm an angry father who couldn't possibly have anything to do with her demise.

Further, he adds another piece of information to the call "I was at work." This is his alibi and he puts it front and center.

Dodie 20 is right, Ron isn't a tough guy. But Ron does his hardest to appear that way possibly because by his actions, he's messed with a lot of people and he needs that image to protect himself.

When I consider Ron, I see him with a self image that he's King of the Hill. I think he has a fascination with the Godfather movie series. He uses a headless rat in a mail box as a warning. Remember the race horse's head in the guys bed, from a scene in the Godfather movie?

Also he uses a line from the Godfather "Keep your enemies close," in defense of him marrying the last person alleged to have seen his daughter before she went missing.

For all sense and purpose, Ron sees himself as the Godfather, a true untouchable gangster. He does his best to project that reputation.

However, unlike the rest of you, I believe LE is looking very closely at Ron and they are not about to let the waiting public know this until they have the whole bag of evidence in a row to nab all who took part in this little girl's fate.

It's all, just my opinion.

BBM....ITA. And I think the big surprises are going to be TN and AS. That's why nothing is being said about any of them. JMO.

 

[LoveEndsWar]

Re: RC telling MC about DB. Well it is possible that he was telling Misty that Donna may be a snitch re: prescription pills..? But now Donna is in trouble too. Hmm. Anyone know what the text/call exactly said?
Also- My logic points me to Misty being the last one in charge of the care of Haleigh. I can't understand why any neglect charge etc. have been filed re: this, but I can say that if Misty had any info she would have blabbed to get out. She was desperate to get out! This is what confuses me so much. IMO So it points to her guilt. What she knows implicates her or she would talk IMO.

 

[loving mom of 2]

I am still sitting on the fence about all this. I want HaLeigh found but, if sending these people that they think is involved to prison for the 15 years is going to give them the answers they want, its not going to happen. Yes, Tommy's drug problems needed to be taken care of (true with all the players in jail right now) but, I don't think jail is going to do that. I have a feeling (and it has been with me since day 1) that all the ones in jail have nothing to do with HaLeigh missing. Yes, everything points to each other covering for the other but, could all the covering be for the drugs that they were dealing in and not HaLeigh? Tommy went with Misty's story about Joe to try and get less time in jail for him and his sister but, can anyone really blame him for doing that. If I was being questioned day in and day out and I didn't have anything to do with it, at some point I think I would just say yeah the story she is telling is true just to get them off my back. Yes, it is wrong to do but this is a family who is very young in the mind. I think when we all hear about who took and killed HaLeigh (I pray she is still alive) is not one of the players that we have been talking about at all. Matter of fact it will be someone we never even knew about.
Yes, all the players are showing guilt but, is the guilt over HaLeigh or is it over all the drugs they are all involved in?

 

[Whisperer]

I will have a better idea of what is going on whenever they decide to post WBG's outcome. I was hoping somebody who was at the courthouse would look on the calendar and see what happened.

WBG had one charge of traffiking with a minimum of 25 yrs.....let's see what they do with him.

 

[doobiedoo52]

One of the things that has always bothered me is this: Crystal said right away that she had not seen her kids for 2 weeks. If that was the case, shouldn't the weekend directly before the disappearance have been "her" weekend? Why did she not have them? Please, do not take this the wrong way. I have questions about both sides of the family. I just feel it is a valid question to ask without getting bombarded about which side I am on. Anyone know the answer? TIA

 

[azwriter]

BBM....ITA. And I think the big surprises are going to be TN and AS. That's why nothing is being said about any of them. JMO.

I think you and I should be having lunch together inky.

 

[twall]

One of the things that has always bothered me is this: Crystal said right away that she had not seen her kids for 2 weeks. If that was the case, shouldn't the weekend directly before the disappearance have been "her" weekend? Why did she not have them? Please, do not take this the wrong way. I have questions about both sides of the family. I just feel it is a valid question to ask without getting bombarded about which side I am on. Anyone know the answer? TIA

Do you remember when she said this?
My recollection is her weekend was Jan. 30 (FRI) to Feb. 1 (SUN) so the weekend before Haleigh disappeared would not have been Crystal's weekend.
My other recollection is that when she was asked when she last saw Haleigh it was towards the latter part of the week after Haleigh disappeared so it would have been almost 2 weeks from the date she was asked to the date she last saw Haleigh. She had Jr. for visitation the weekend after Haleigh disappeared, wasn't it Jr's birthday, too?

 

[Asti]

If a neglect charge had been filed against Misty or any charge then the details of what LE knows about this case can come out in court and they do not want anyone knowing what they know until they are ready to make an arrest for Haleigh's disappearance/death.