General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[justus4all]

another one of those inconsistencies. The earliest story I heard, was that Ron woke Misty up,when he got home. IDK if LE confronted them with phone records or what, but that version quickly changed, & it appears that they changed the story because they had to. At the time, my gut said it was because Ron didn't want to place himself in the trailer, with a sleeping, so therefore unaware, Misty.

I agree with your statement...Bolded by me...

If I am correct...(correct me if I am in error)..R does not place himself in the MH AFTER he picks H up at the bus stop (that day) and lets her drive home..he then kisses then all ..OUTSIDE the MH..and then leaves for work...and does not place himself at the MH UNTIL Misty is AWAKE and making the 911 call....

IMO..He appears to say Misty is phoning him as he pulls in the driveway..and he DOES NOT answer the phone..Why??? IMO..He does APPEAR..to..NOT WANT TO KNOW ANY INFORMATION ...until . HE IS COMING INTO THE MH..And Misty tells him that H is missing...then HE has HER make the 911 call...IMO..he is completely distancing himself from..whatever took place in the MH and to H....He can then say...I didn't know anything /have any idea about that night..I wasn't there................all in my own opinion..
IMO...R KNOWS...the whole family C/C have STOPPED looking/searching for little Haleigh...they KNOW where she IS...and they are just waiting for the public/LE to lose interest and the WHOLE THING..just...GO AWAY...all in my own opinion

 

[Emeralgem]

I'm not sure why it is assumed that Crystal & her attorney are the sources for the attendance record. It was printed out on Feb. 24.

Art and Cobra were interviewing Teresa before Kim Picazio was hired according to everything I can find. [I don't know what date she actually came to Satsuma.] This video of Teresa being interviewed is from 3/14/09 according to Art Harris - the day after the Today Show interview of Ron & Misty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_Eku0Vuww&feature=player_embedded

Everything in this case is so much harder than it ought to be, IMO. Why can't I find the date that Cobra arrived and the date that Kim came up? Is it just my ineptitude?

What interview are you talking about? I know for certain TN did not lure Cobra into those woods on March 14th the day after Ron and Misty were on the Today Show.. It was several weeks after Cobra came to town .. The video you posted was after Cobra attended that vigil and they agreed Misty would do a re-enactment.. Ron C showed up at Memaws and told Cobra Misty didn't trust Cobra and refused to do the re-enactment.. .....Cobra was on to Ron C and thats when TN decided to lure Cobra into the woods instead of contacting LE after she claimed she had been searching out there in the woods by herself for four hours...JMO

 

[Flow]

What interview are you talking about? I know for certain TN did not lure Cobra into those woods on March 14th the day after Ron and Misty were on the Today Show.. It was several weeks after Cobra came to town .. The video you posted was after Cobra attended that vigil and they agreed Misty would do a re-enactment.. Ron C showed up at Memaws and told Cobra Misty didn't trust Cobra and refused to do the re-enactment.. .....Cobra was on to Ron C and thats when TN decided to lure Cobra into the woods instead of contacting LE after she claimed she had been searching out there in the woods by herself for four hours...JMO

Art H said in his article [that has the interview with Teresa] that it was recorded on 3/14. [It being the interview with her where she said that Misty was wonderful.]

IIRC, Art H was there in Satsuma for less than 5 days so that would mean all of his videos were done between 3/9 and 3/19.

All of which is completely beside the point I intended to make about the school records being printed 2/24, but I don't remember what my point was supposed to be. I'm sorry for the confusing.

 

[lonetraveler]

SoSueMe, I think the plan was to NOT tell that part...that's why Misty didn't mention it and Ron knew he was not to mention it also. I agree that GMS would have told Ron that she went by that night, but because her visit plays a part in what happened to Haleigh, IMO, Ron and Misty both were in on the script and was specifically told not to mention GMS visit to nobody...So they did as they were told. It wasn't until what? August that Misty revealed that GMS was actually there? IMO, it was only because TN came out with the information first...and of course Misty had to back up THEIR story...they couldn't appear to be the liars...But yet they felt Misty could...JMO of course

Annette Sykes's "That's a crock" video was when she mentioned that "we went by that night", when "we drove up, Haleigh and Jr. were eating on the porch"..................that is the first time I remember reading or hearing that she (we) went by the MH that night, to supposedly drop off laundry. Teresa is the one who said that she "sent family over" to "check on the children".

 

[bessie]

I'm not sure why it is assumed that Crystal & her attorney are the sources for the attendance record. It was printed out on Feb. 24.

Art and Cobra were interviewing Teresa before Kim Picazio was hired according to everything I can find. [I don't know what date she actually came to Satsuma.] This video of Teresa being interviewed is from 3/14/09 according to Art Harris - the day after the Today Show interview of Ron & Misty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_Eku0Vuww&feature=player_embedded

Everything in this case is so much harder than it ought to be, IMO. Why can't I find the date that Cobra arrived and the date that Kim came up? Is it just my ineptitude?

When in doubt about a date or specific fact, try a search in the Media/Links thread in the Stickies section. It took me less than two minutes to locate the posts that show Cobra and Kim P. came on the scene during the same week in March.

P.I. Searches for Haleigh
Last Update: 3/13 10:44 pm
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There's a new investigator on the Haleigh Cummings case. He calls himself Cobra. He's a private investigator from Fort Lauderdale, who is in Satsuma at Haleigh's mother's request.
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Haleigh's Mother's Attorney Gives First Local Interview
Created: 3/13/2009 6:41:29 PM
Updated: 3/14/2009 9:43:38 PM
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Attorney Kim Picazio says she first came to Putnam County this week to help Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh Cummings' mother, handle the media.
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[Emeralgem]

Art H said in his article [that has the interview with Teresa] that it was recorded on 3/14. [It being the interview with her where she said that Misty was wonderful.]
IIRC, Art H was there in Satsuma for less than 5 days so that would mean all of his videos were done between 3/9 and 3/19.
All of which is completely beside the point I intended to make about the school records being printed 2/24, but I don't remember what my point was supposed to be. I'm sorry for the confusing.

Excuse me, what I found confusing was you didn't post the interview of TN praising Misty, you posted the one of TN luring Cobra into the woods...
And IIRC Cobra and Ron C were introduced to each other after Ron C and Misty returned from New York..And IF my memory continues to serve me correctly, I believe that introduction took place on the same day AH interviewed TN..
Also, IF AH was ONLY in Satsuma for 5 days how do you figure his videos were filmed between 3/9 and 3/19.. Unless I can't count 3/9 to 3/19 adds up to 10days not 5. However, IF you are certain AH left on the 19th and AH claims his interview was on the 14th, thats about five days..Perhaps he interviewed TN immediately when he arrived in Satsuma..I suspect Cobra must have arrived around the same time too since he introduced Ron C to him...One thing for certain Ronald Cummings, TN and LE didn't want Cobra snooping around in Satsuma...JMO

 

[Flow]

Excuse me, but you didn't post the interview of TN praising Misty, you posted the one of TN luring Cobra into the woods...
And IIRC Cobra and Ron C were introduced to each other after Ron C and Misty returned from New York..And IF my memory continues to serve me correctly, I believe that introduction took place on the same day AH interviewed TN..
Also, IF AH was ONLY in Satsuma for 5 days how do you figure his videos were filmed between 3/9 and 3/19.. Unless I can't count 3/9 to 3/19 adds up to 10days not 5. However, IF you are certain AH left on the 19th and AH claims his interview was on the 14th, thats about five days..Perhaps he interviewed TN immediately when he arrived in Satsuma..I suspect Cobra must have arrived around the same time too since he introduced Ron C to him...One thing for certain Ronald Cummings, TN and LE didn't want Cobra snooping around in Satsuma...JMO

I'm sorry if I offended you. I had no intention of doing so.

My window of opportunity for Art H's time in Satsuma was based upon

March 14 - date Art H said he interviewed Teresa.
5 days - max. days Art H said to be in Satsuma.

Allow 5 days before and 5 days after to determine largest reference time frame.

Subtract 5 days and you get earliest possible date he was in Satsuma. 3/9

Add 5 days and you get the latest date he was there. 3/19

Thus 3/9 - 3/19 is the window of time during which Mr Harris's 5 or fewer days in Satsuma occurred.

Again, that it beside the point I so pitifully tried to put forth.


ETA - But please, do excuse me. Thank you.

 

[4Jacy]

I agree with your statement...Bolded by me...

If I am correct...(correct me if I am in error)..R does not place himself in the MH AFTER he picks H up at the bus stop (that day) and lets her drive home..he then kisses then all ..OUTSIDE the MH..and then leaves for work...and does not place himself at the MH UNTIL Misty is AWAKE and making the 911 call....

IMO..He appears to say Misty is phoning him as he pulls in the driveway..and he DOES NOT answer the phone..Why??? IMO..He does APPEAR..to..NOT WANT TO KNOW ANY INFORMATION ...until . HE IS COMING INTO THE MH..And Misty tells him that H is missing...then HE has HER make the 911 call...IMO..he is completely distancing himself from..whatever took place in the MH and to H....He can then say...I didn't know anything /have any idea about that night..I wasn't there................all in my own opinion..
IMO...R KNOWS...the whole family C/C have STOPPED looking/searching for little Haleigh...they KNOW where she IS...and they are just waiting for the public/LE to lose interest and the WHOLE THING..just...GO AWAY...all in my own opinion

Just, what a superior post. I am in touch with everything you have said, wish I could have said it better. I have, however, believed from the beginning RC knew exactly what happened to little Haleigh.

There are no winners here, except that Haleigh is now in a much better place then she had ever been in her life with either her MOTHER OR FATHER.

And, yet, the (unusual persons) squirm in their cells to save their own (unusual) lives.

Thanks for your post.

 

[Emeralgem]

I'm sorry if I offended you. I had no intention of doing so.

My window of opportunity for Art H's time in Satsuma was based upon

March 14 - date Art H said he interviewed Teresa.
5 days - max. days Art H said to be in Satsuma.

Allow 5 days before and 5 days after to determine largest reference time frame.

Subtract 5 days and you get earliest possible date he was in Satsuma. 3/9

Add 5 days and you get the latest date he was there. 3/19

Thus 3/9 - 3/19 is the window of time during which Mr Harris's 5 or fewer days in Satsuma occurred.

Again, that it beside the point I so pitifully tried to put forth.

There is no need for an apology on your part, I was not offended, just confused about the video you posted and AH claiming it was taken on March 14th, 2009..

 

[1Chump]

BBM.

This is even more evil (the idea, not you, 1Chump) than even I imagined. What do you think these women could have held over Misty's head to make her do this? I am not doubting that your scenario could very well be true; I am just wondering if these women and Ron could be so cold and so lacking in conscience that they would not have had to hold anything over this 17 year old's head ~ just the pure terror of being told they were going to tell a story and she'd take the fall unless she went along. God, I feel sick at the thought.

I have always thought it went something like this:

Misty and Ron and Haleigh all back at the house after HaLeigh was picked up from the bus. (and maybe Jr, if he wasn't with Annette still. I kinda have thought that the kids were with her that weekend because Ron may very well have been very irate and upset after telling Misty to leave and then not being able to find her; thus having Annette take the kids. I've thought his rushing that Monday morning past the bus stop and the claim it was for an outfit for H. at GGM Sykes was, in actuality, Ron and Misty rushing to get HaLeigh and take her to school, and then not bringing Jr. back home with them. Misty's whole account of she, Ron, and Jr. sleeping away Monday just didn't ring true. Imagine that!)

That Monday afternoon I would guess Ron had no intention of going in to work. Nothing more to base that assumption on then the sense that a man with his personality would blow off work in order to settle things with his girlfriend. They were probably worn out, Haleigh could have been feeling the tension, and vied for some attention. She could have been trying to protect Misty, or just gotten in between them. If, as people have attested to, that Ron would smack his kids, he could have smacked HaLeigh too hard. It could have been even uglier. I do believe that he immediately blamed Misty, by telling her if she hadn't of made him angry he wouldn't have had to hurt HaLeigh. (This just based on how many abusers act and ways they manipulate their victims into feeling guilty and responsible).

I see Ron immediately calling his mom and she calling HER mom...and then the entire cover up began.

I do not believe that anyone else was involved in the cover-up. I believe that Ron WAS frantically calling the two women and Misty and, in desperation he did call Tommy, looking for Misty. I believe Tommy took it upon himself to go check on his sister and the kids and found the house deserted.

At some point Tommy was told and threatened. I am not sure what I think about who in the Croslin family were told, if any of them were. I feel certain that they knew Misty was being used and threatened, though, and I believe that their lives have been shattered by this.

Just some thoughts and opinions.

I agree with most everything you say up until picking Haleigh up at the bus stop minus Misty. I do think Jr. was with GGma Sykes until they took him to the MH for the staging of Misty alone with the kids. Junior was alseep so did not realize anything was going on with Haleigh. Junior was probably asleep when Misty arrived. IMO, GGma Sykes was there when Haleigh died.

"He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=3

The way I read her statement, "10 minutes after I got there, we noticed Haleigh was gone (dead)." Because if it was 10 minutes after they noticed Haleigh missing, why is GGma Sykes not mentioned in the Police Report? They mention TN arriving after them and GGma Sykes should have arrived around the same time or close to it.


Several reasons I do not think that Misty was with Ron on Monday. LE asked if anyone has information on Misty's whereabouts between 10 pm and 2 am. I think that is the only time period that LE cannot account for Misty's whereabouts. If Misty was with Ron during the day, LE could not "account" for her whereabouts. Ron would not be a reliable witness.

The lies started Sunday night. Why the need to start the lies Sunday night and continue them into Monday unless they wanted LE to believe that everything between Ron/Misty was settled over 24 hours before Haleigh disappeared. Because Ron's anger towards Misty is what led to Haleigh's fatal injuries.

According to AH, who first reported the babysitting call between Misty and TN, "sources" told him the call happened Sunday night.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/02/03/exclusive-misty-croslin-balked-at-babysitting-haleigh/

Why would Ron need a babysitter when he was home? Misty would know Ron did not work on Sunday night. IMO, that was a lie because TN did not want to be seen as having any involvement with Haleigh on Monday. Ron wasn't the only one who kept himself out of the MH on Monday. TN and GGma Sykes did also. GGma Sykes brought the laundry over but never puts herself inside.

IMO, the babysitting phone call happened Haleigh's last day. TN called Misty and asked her to p/u Haleigh at the bus stop and babysit. That is when Misty saw Haleigh in the pink shirt. I don't think Ron knew TN had Misty pick up Haleigh. I think the story of Haleigh driving on Ron's lap was Ron following Misty to get Haleigh. IMO, that is why he explains she turned her left blinker than her right. Strange to remember that much detail for the kid on your lap. Not as strange if you are seeing those blinkers yourselfr. Something happened then that caused Haleigh's injuries. I think Ron wrapped Haleigh up in Misty's blanket and took Haleigh somewhere.

From that point, Ron's family was involved. Misty may have told Tommy that Ron got angry and hurt Haleigh but Misty did not realize how serious it was.

Later, I think Haleigh was used to get Misty to the MH. One call to Misty that Haleigh wanted her. I think that was why Ron was calling Misty frantically...to get her back to the MH to force her to call 911. Misty knowing that Haleigh was hurt went to Haleigh. I think that Misty did call her Mom and/or Tommy to tell them what they were making her do. I think that was the first call to LE to report Haleigh before Misty made her call to try to help Misty.

Look at all Misty's inconsistencies at the beginning. They all started with Ron, TN or GGma Sykes. Those three are the ones who changed Misty's story. IMO, Misty to keep them from turning against was told to just follow them not realizing she was being set up as the fall girl.

The minute that LE did not clear Ron, Misty was done. I do think that in the planning, they believed that LE would concentrate on after Haleigh disappeared, not before. However, the quickly realized that LE was checking into the before story and that is when, Misty was done.

IMO, the last time Misty saw Haleigh, Haleigh was wearing the pink shirt. the shirt was found which showed Misty was inconsistent.

Misty never mentioned GGma Sykes coming over to drop off laundry. How did we find out this inconsistency.....TN and GGma Sykes.

Misty told the police that Misty, Haleigh and Jr. were sleeping in the same bed. IMO, when Misty was home alone with the kids, they did sleep in the same bed. Only one person would know that, Ron. Who was the one that started the inconsistent stories on where Haleigh was sleeping.....Ron.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Misty said that Tommy and her smoked a joint and ate dinner together between 5 and 6. Another inconsistency because Haleigh/Jr. ate dinner by themselves on the porch around 7 pm. How doe we know this inconstistency...GGma Sykes

Obviously, Misty did tell lies. Misty put herself as the last one to see Haleigh alive. However, look at how easily Ron, TN and GGma Sykes made Misty look inconsistent at the very beginning.

Because when it comes down to it, who is giong to be believed a 17 year old kid who used drugs and her druggie brother or Ron, TN and GGma Sykes.

IMO, Misty's family knew that Misty was lying about being at the MH with Haleigh and Jr. But they could not prove anything and knew LE would believe TN and GGma Sykes over them. Especially when Misty's blanket possible with Haleigh's blood was missing and Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus stop and Ron was at work.

 

[justus4all]

1 Chump....I believe you have accurately described what actually happened...

My question then becomes...IF Misty KNOWS..she is being used to be the one taking the fall by Ron, TN, GMS............WHY is she ........STILL.....PROTECTING....RON???

 

[Emeralgem]

=justus4all;5268285]1 Chump....I believe you have accurately described what actually happened...

My question then becomes...IF Misty KNOWS..she is being used to be the one taking the fall by Ron, TN, GMS............WHY is she ........STILL.....PROTECTING....RON???

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I suspect she didn't know for a long time that she was being set up since the Cummings were talking out of both sides of their mouths in reference to what they were saying..Their MO, for certain from the beginning has been to keep the left hand from knowing what the right hand was doing... But hopefully she knows now, and hopefully, she isn't still protecting him or them..

 

[doobiedoo52]

I know if I were Jeff Hardy, now would be the perfect time to pull off a new plan. Media and online sleuthers are mostly preoccupied with the Stephany Flores murder and the search for Stacy Petersen. Go for it LE.

 

[Emeralgem]

I know if I were Jeff Hardy, now would be the perfect time to pull off a new plan. Media and online sleuthers are mostly preoccupied with the Stephany Flores murder and the search for Stacy Petersen. Go for it LE.

IMHO... PCSO has proven they aren't interested in going for the truth in reference to what happened to Haleigh or the truth ever being revealed..If they were they would have applied some real pressure on Ronald Cummings and his family rather than all the Croslins...IMHO..LE is covering their own rears just as much as they are covering for Ronald Cummings... JMO

 

[CN2Souls]

I agree with most everything you say up until picking Haleigh up at the bus stop minus Misty. I do think Jr. was with GGma Sykes until they took him to the MH for the staging of Misty alone with the kids. Junior was alseep so did not realize anything was going on with Haleigh. Junior was probably asleep when Misty arrived. IMO, GGma Sykes was there when Haleigh died.

"He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=3

The way I read her statement, "10 minutes after I got there, we noticed Haleigh was gone (dead)." Because if it was 10 minutes after they noticed Haleigh missing, why is GGma Sykes not mentioned in the Police Report? They mention TN arriving after them and GGma Sykes should have arrived around the same time or close to it.


Several reasons I do not think that Misty was with Ron on Monday. LE asked if anyone has information on Misty's whereabouts between 10 pm and 2 am. I think that is the only time period that LE cannot account for Misty's whereabouts. If Misty was with Ron during the day, LE could not "account" for her whereabouts. Ron would not be a reliable witness.

The lies started Sunday night. Why the need to start the lies Sunday night and continue them into Monday unless they wanted LE to believe that everything between Ron/Misty was settled over 24 hours before Haleigh disappeared. Because Ron's anger towards Misty is what led to Haleigh's fatal injuries.

According to AH, who first reported the babysitting call between Misty and TN, "sources" told him the call happened Sunday night.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/02/03/exclusive-misty-croslin-balked-at-babysitting-haleigh/

Why would Ron need a babysitter when he was home? Misty would know Ron did not work on Sunday night. IMO, that was a lie because TN did not want to be seen as having any involvement with Haleigh on Monday. Ron wasn't the only one who kept himself out of the MH on Monday. TN and GGma Sykes did also. GGma Sykes brought the laundry over but never puts herself inside.

IMO, the babysitting phone call happened Haleigh's last day. TN called Misty and asked her to p/u Haleigh at the bus stop and babysit. That is when Misty saw Haleigh in the pink shirt. I don't think Ron knew TN had Misty pick up Haleigh. I think the story of Haleigh driving on Ron's lap was Ron following Misty to get Haleigh. IMO, that is why he explains she turned her left blinker than her right. Strange to remember that much detail for the kid on your lap. Not as strange if you are seeing those blinkers yourselfr. Something happened then that caused Haleigh's injuries. I think Ron wrapped Haleigh up in Misty's blanket and took Haleigh somewhere.

From that point, Ron's family was involved. Misty may have told Tommy that Ron got angry and hurt Haleigh but Misty did not realize how serious it was.

Later, I think Haleigh was used to get Misty to the MH. One call to Misty that Haleigh wanted her. I think that was why Ron was calling Misty frantically...to get her back to the MH to force her to call 911. Misty knowing that Haleigh was hurt went to Haleigh. I think that Misty did call her Mom and/or Tommy to tell them what they were making her do. I think that was the first call to LE to report Haleigh before Misty made her call to try to help Misty.

Look at all Misty's inconsistencies at the beginning. They all started with Ron, TN or GGma Sykes. Those three are the ones who changed Misty's story. IMO, Misty to keep them from turning against was told to just follow them not realizing she was being set up as the fall girl.

The minute that LE did not clear Ron, Misty was done. I do think that in the planning, they believed that LE would concentrate on after Haleigh disappeared, not before. However, the quickly realized that LE was checking into the before story and that is when, Misty was done.

IMO, the last time Misty saw Haleigh, Haleigh was wearing the pink shirt. the shirt was found which showed Misty was inconsistent.

Misty never mentioned GGma Sykes coming over to drop off laundry. How did we find out this inconsistency.....TN and GGma Sykes.

Misty told the police that Misty, Haleigh and Jr. were sleeping in the same bed. IMO, when Misty was home alone with the kids, they did sleep in the same bed. Only one person would know that, Ron. Who was the one that started the inconsistent stories on where Haleigh was sleeping.....Ron.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Misty said that Tommy and her smoked a joint and ate dinner together between 5 and 6. Another inconsistency because Haleigh/Jr. ate dinner by themselves on the porch around 7 pm. How doe we know this inconstistency...GGma Sykes

Obviously, Misty did tell lies. Misty put herself as the last one to see Haleigh alive. However, look at how easily Ron, TN and GGma Sykes made Misty look inconsistent at the very beginning.

Because when it comes down to it, who is giong to be believed a 17 year old kid who used drugs and her druggie brother or Ron, TN and GGma Sykes.

IMO, Misty's family knew that Misty was lying about being at the MH with Haleigh and Jr. But they could not prove anything and knew LE would believe TN and GGma Sykes over them. Especially when Misty's blanket possible with Haleigh's blood was missing and Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus stop and Ron was at work.

Outstanding Post!!!

I have also have vision of the frontal lobe of her head back to over her right ear being involved.

I also believe that in the attempt to clean the house and set up the crime scene as a kidnapping, they wiped away most of the surfaces of their normal dirt and grime. Nevertheless, did not realize that they also made a perfect surface for their fingerprints to show up and the lack of one small person not showing up, as they should have, being she lived there. LE realized at that point that someone went to all the trouble to clean before LE got there.

 

[lil momma]

Outstanding Post!!!

I have also have vision of the frontal lobe of her head back to over her right ear being involved.

I also believe that in the attempt to clean the house and set up the crime scene as a kidnapping, they wiped away most of the surfaces of their normal dirt and grime. Nevertheless, did not realize that they also made a perfect surface for their fingerprints to show up and the lack of one small person not showing up, as they should have, being she lived there. LE realized at that point that someone went to all the trouble to clean before LE got there.

ITA CN2Souls!

Hence- LE making the statement that the evidence at the MH doesn't match what LE was being told.

 

[Chablis]

IMHO... PCSO has proven they aren't interested in going for the truth in reference to what happened to Haleigh or the truth ever being revealed..If they were they would have applied some real pressure on Ronald Cummings and his family rather than all the Croslins...IMHO..LE is covering their own rears just as much as they are covering for Ronald Cummings... JMO

No, I totally see the opposite, I think they have had Ronalds number from day one. They know what Ronald is all about. And its not just Ronald. They have been dealing with his (unusual)family probably for decades. If there is no physical proof, and Misty wont roll on Ronald, well, their hands are tied, like it or not. Now dont get me wrong, I wish they were water boarding them all in their cells now, but now its the waiting game and how long Misty can hold out and show how loyal she was to Ronald and his family.

jmo

 

[1Chump]

1 Chump....I believe you have accurately described what actually happened...

My question then becomes...IF Misty KNOWS..she is being used to be the one taking the fall by Ron, TN, GMS............WHY is she ........STILL.....PROTECTING....RON???

We don't know that she is now. We have no idea what Misty is saying to LE.

IMO, a big part of getting Misty and Ronald in jail was to separate Misty from Ron and his family. LE had to get Misty away from them to break the manipulation, control and abuse. Misty finally admitting that Ron ahd his family used her is a huge breakthrough. Now that she has admitted it, I would bet she has started talking and telling everything now.

 

[1Chump]

IMHO... PCSO has proven they aren't interested in going for the truth in reference to what happened to Haleigh or the truth ever being revealed..If they were they would have applied some real pressure on Ronald Cummings and his family rather than all the Croslins...IMHO..LE is covering their own rears just as much as they are covering for Ronald Cummings... JMO

LE applied pressure to the Croslins because they could. LE was stopped from applying pressure to the Cummings by the Cummings. LE cannot force anyone to talk to them. If LE asks you to answer questions, you have the right to refuse.

Misty cooperated with LE and did not refuse to answer their questions even after she had an attorney.

However, Ronald hired a criminal attorney early on. From that point forward, Ronald and his family stopped cooperating. LE cannot apply pressure if they cannot even get them in the door.

IMO, Ronald's attorney made a point of stating that they were not representing Misty. However, I find it strange that Misty was never told that she could refuse to answer any questions and kept speaking with LE after that. Ron himself said he stopped talking to LE because he could only say that he did not know anything, he was at work so many times. Ron also said that anything that LE was wrong to focus on Misty and him. So why did Ron never tell Misty she did not have to speak with LE?

IMO, the main purpose of the drug sting was to be able to apply pressure on Ronald. They could not force him to talk but they could get him in jail and hope he would be willing to talk. It also took Ron away from the protection of his family.

Since the arrests, both Misty and Tommy's attorneys have stated publically that Misty and Tommy have cooperated with LE and told them everything they know regarding Haleigh. I don't remember hearing Ronald's attorney saying anything close to that.

 

[dodie20]

LE applied pressure to the Croslins because they could. LE was stopped from applying pressure to the Cummings by the Cummings. LE cannot force anyone to talk to them. If LE asks you to Tanswer questions, you have the right to refuse.

Misty cooperated with LE and did not refuse to answer their questions even after she had an attorney.

However, Ronald hired a criminal attorney early on. From that point forward, Ronald and his family stopped cooperating. LE cannot apply pressure if they cannot even get them in the door.

IMO, Ronald's attorney made a point of stating that they were not representing Misty. However, I find it strange that Misty was never told that she could refuse to answer any questions and kept speaking with LE after that. Ron himself said he stopped talking to LE because he could only say that he did not know anything, he was at work so many times. Ron also said that anything that LE was wrong to focus on Misty and him. So why did Ron never tell Misty she did not have to speak with LE?

IMO, the main purpose of the drug sting was to be able to apply pressure on Ronald. They could not force him to talk but they could get him in jail and hope he would be willing to talk. It also took Ron away from the protection of his family.

Since the arrests, both Misty and Tommy's attorneys have stated publically that Misty and Tommy have cooperated with LE and told them everything they know regarding Haleigh. I don't remember hearing Ronald's attorney saying anything close to that.

Ronald lawyering up, made me madder than anything, in this case. (& a criminal defense attorney, at that). The Cummings had taken Misty under their wing, & it was obvious she was doing as they told her, but they left her without a lawyer. Ron got one, but she didn't. That completely blew my mind. If they had cared one fig about that girl, they would've gotten her a lawyer. That was selfish beyond comprehension, & I felt it was a deliberate ploy to put Misty at a disadvantage. & didn't Ron's lawyer say something to the effect, of not touching Misty with a 10 foot pole? I wonder how he feels about Ron, now. She was a kid, who most obviously needed representation, & that lawyer, (a so called professional), took a real cruddy attitude towards her. It made me wonder what bunk Ron was telling him. It must have been a real doozy, but whatever he said against Misty, can also hurt him, because it shows, at the very least, that he has been withholding information. At that time, I felt that the Cummings were going all out in trying to implicate Misty. I wonder how they felt, when she wasn't immediately charged? But for Ron to hire a criminal defense attorney, said a lot. He was gonna be ready for whatever came his way. I truly wish, that every single person involed, had taken his cue & lawyered up that same day.