General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[lonetraveler]

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Lonetraveler, for a minute there I thought you were saying that it may have been Chelsea there with GMS that evening. LOL Wouldn't that be something. Anything is possible I guess. Did anyone besides Misty say who it was that was with GMSykes that evening? I think I've only heard the name of the "aunt" that was with GMSykes, from Misty. And we know how she lies.:furious: What if Chelsea was there with Misty when GMSykes showed up? Chelsea claim she ate dinner with Misty that night and GMSykes says that when she showed up, they were eating dinner. Misty had the blue van earlier that day and Chelsea ended up with it that night. The blue van ended up being damaged during the course of that night. Chelsea said that the van wasn't the way that "she" parked it. So IMO, at some point Chelsea and Misty crossed paths Monday. Just a thought.

Who was it that mentioned that TN or Misty offered to pay the other to babysit? Was it Chelsea?

I thought it was Lindsey who said that she ate dinner with Misty, but she also said that Tommy cooked dinner before she left for school. :waitasec:

 

[lonetraveler]

Interesting. What if TN did have that particular phone? And those 20+ calls from Ron were to contact his mother? What if Ron's call to Hank was his FIRST call looking for Misty? What I mean is, if Misty didn't have a phone, maybe that's why Ron called Hanks phone...Ron knew Misty didn't have a phone but thought Hanks house was the first place to look for her. It was said that TN may have offered Misty money to babysit and Misty said she would if it was ok with Ron. What if that was what Ron was calling Misty about...they said the argument was about babysitting around 8:30p, right after GMSykes supposedly left the mh. IMO, the plan was already in motion to cover up what happened to Haleigh...So TN contacted Misty somehow (if Misty didn't have a phone, how did Teresa contact her?) Did Teresa call Hank's house looking for Misty? Did Ron give Teresa the number? Did Teresa try to lure Misty to the mh and was unsuccessful (Misty wanted to make sure it was cool with Ron first.). Did Teresa call Ron and tell him to call Misty? Did Misty get out of dodge before Ron called? Maybe Hank knew that Misty had already talk to Teresa about babysitting Ron's kids. So when Misty left, Hank assumed that Misty did go around to the mh to babysit. So when Ron called Hank looking for Misty, Hank explained to him that Misty was already gone...Whatever the conversation was about-Hank went to the mh less than a hour later. This could also point to Misty not having a phone. Hank couldn't call her so he went to where he thought she was...Ron's house.

I just have so many questions..LOL

Sorry:innocent:

Teresa could have been at the MH with the phone that had been Misty's.
Teresa could also have been the babysitter of the children after Ron left for work. It was imperative that Misty show up at the MH to babysit before Ron returned home from work in order for the plan to work. Teresa could have left the cell phone there at the MH in an obvious place for Misty to use as soon as she arrived and found that Haleigh was not in the Mh.

 

[suspicious1]

Looks like you caught on to my train of thought. Teresa would still have her own personal cell phone and could have used that one to contact Misty. The many, many calls could have been Teresa and Ron concocting the story and the plan to get Misty over to that MH. I have another theory I'm chewing over too. Maybe Teresa parked near the PDM plant and used Ron's cell phone to call the phone that Misty had used so that Ron's phone would ping from the PDM area. Meanwhile, Ron skips out from the plant, unnoticed so that he could relocate Haleigh's body from the dumpster area to a burial place. This could explain a lot about the phone business......I'm still working on this one.

ETA: Maybe Misty found the phone, that Ron took back, at the Mh turned off when she arrived at around 2:15 am and turned it on when she found that Haleigh was gone or dead. A neighbor reportedly saw Misty crying and talking on a cell phone at about that time, right?

Hey Lone, didn't they say that "Misty's" phone had been turned off after the "argument" at 8:30p? Then turned back on right before Ron "got home"? Remember Ron said police had him on surveilance at the top of the hill? And LE seemed baffled by how long it took him to get home, then Ron told them about the stop at the store, then LE wanted to know how he got home so fast? This has always confused me. What if Ron and Teresa switched vehicles at some point that evening? Just a thought. I can't wait to hear your theory!

 

[Flow]

Teresa could have been at the MH with the phone that had been Misty's.
Teresa could also have been the babysitter of the children after Ron left for work. It was imperative that Misty show up at the MH to babysit before Ron returned home from work in order for the plan to work. Teresa could have left the cell phone there at the MH in an obvious place for Misty to use as soon as she arrived and found that Haleigh was not in the Mh.

At first I read your post and I thought it was crazy. However now that I think about it it would fit. I like it. You have done a great job thinking outside the box.

Whatever happened would have to be something as "crazy" [and sneaky and clever] as this. Nothing else seems to work.

 

[Flow]

Hey Lone, didn't they say that "Misty's" phone had been turned off after the "argument" at 8:30p? Then turned back on right before Ron "got home"? Remember Ron said police had him on surveilance at the top of the hill? And LE seemed baffled by how long it took him to get home, then Ron told them about the stop at the store, then LE wanted to know how he got home so fast? This has always confused me. What if Ron and Teresa switched vehicles at some point that evening? Just a thought. I can't wait to hear your theory!

Oh my gosh, the part about the phone being turned off during that time would fit right in with LoneTraveler's theory. Someone could have turned it off to keep it from pinging and tracking the cell phone's location!

The surveillance and tracking of how long it took him to get to his house hasn't sunk in yet but overall I am starting to think you guys are on the right track.

 

[Snowbunny]

Just a thought. Could Ron have taken the phone that Misty used when the big blowup occurred and he threw her out? Could that phone have been on Teresa's phone plan so she took it back and Ron was actually calling his mother that night instead of Misty? I really would like to know if this is what really happened and maybe Misty had borrowed a phone from her family to use after she was kicked out. Any thoughts?

I do know that Misty stated that she gave back Ron her keys to the house, but I do not know who's phone plan she was on. NayNay stated on her interview with Art Harris that Misty was talking to Ron on the phone at while she was with NayNay and WBG so was she on a phone plan with her parents or one of her brothers? She obviously had a phone when she was with NayNay and WBG because I recall NayNay saying that Misty said that Ron wanted her to bring a condem.

 

[cluciano63]

You have to remove the battery to keep a phone from pinging, not just turn it off. A phone will periodly check in with the nearest tower, even if turned off. This is from web research, anyway. That is why some believe Morgan Harrington's battery was taken from her phone and not the story about it always falling out. (But of course they could have taken it out in this case.)

OT a little bit, but I just read Mark Fuhrman's book "Murder Business" and he talks about Haleigh and how her family background and parents, etc hurt her, as opposed to Caylee, as he was told that the media did not exactly find Haleigh's family and friends to be "telegenic", to say the least and many people they wanted to interview were not in any condition to be put on TV, if you know what I mean. So she was not "chosen" by mainstream media to be a poster child case...he indicates that her biggest handicap was being born on the wrong side of the tracks (his words) and that is why she only got sporadic coverage and would not even get that if not for the later arrests, etc...pretty sad situation. He stressed how Caylee was a media dream...and how they (media) had to make it seem as though she were "missing" to keep public interested, but that everyone really assumed she was dead from the start.

 

[suspicious1]

I do know that Misty stated that she gave back Ron her keys to the house, but I do not know who's phone plan she was on. NayNay stated on her interview with Art Harris that Misty was talking to Ron on the phone at while she was with NayNay and WBG so was she on a phone plan with her parents or one of her brothers? She obviously had a phone when she was with NayNay and WBG because I recall NayNay saying that Misty said that Ron wanted her to bring a condem.

Could it be possible that Misty used NayNay's phone that weekend to call Ron? didn't Ron know Nay? Maybe Ron called her phone to contact Misty? That is where Ron left all Misty stuff out on the lawn..Nays house. So Ron figured Misty would be with Nay that weekend.

If Misty had her "own" phone, I think it would be a prepaid phone and not on a plan. JMO though

 

[dodie20]

You have to remove the battery to keep a phone from pinging, not just turn it off. A phone will periodly check in with the nearest tower, even if turned off. This is from web research, anyway. That is why some believe Morgan Harrington's battery was taken from her phone and not the story about it always falling out. (But of course they could have taken it out in this case.)

OT a little bit, but I just read Mark Fuhrman's book "Murder Business" and he talks about Haleigh and how her family background and parents, etc hurt her, as opposed to Caylee, as he was told that the media did not exactly find Haleigh's family and friends to be "telegenic", to say the least and many people they wanted to interview were not in any condition to be put on TV, if you know what I mean. So she was not "chosen" by mainstream media to be a poster child case...he indicates that her biggest handicap was being born on the wrong side of the tracks (his words) and that is why she only got sporadic coverage and would not even get that if not for the later arrests, etc...pretty sad situation. He stressed how Caylee was a media dream...and how they (media) had to make it seem as though she were "missing" to keep public interested, but that everyone really assumed she was dead from the start.

That sounds like a really good book & I agree with everything you quoted Mark on. Even though I thought Caylee was a little angel, more of my heart belongs to Haleigh, because of all the things, you stated. I remember very well, when it was reported that Haleigh suffered from Turner's Syndrome, a light went out with the media. an immediate drop off, in interest.

 

[Whisperer]

Lots of people w/o credit get those disposable phones. Can they be traced? My gut tells me rc had more than one phone. I would take a guess and say he is/was on his mother's plan. rc would never be able to keep up with the payment responsibility..imo.

When the LE interviewed them at the house, only one phone number was given. So either misty didn't have her own phone or they were covering something up. rc may have had an extra phone he let misty use and only with his permission at certain times.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Lots of people w/o credit get those disposable phones. Can they be traced? My gut tells me rc had more than one phone. I would take a guess and say he is/was on his mother's plan. rc would never be able to keep up with the payment responsibility..imo.

When the LE interviewed them at the house, only one phone number was given. So either misty didn't have her own phone or they were covering something up. rc may have had an extra phone he let misty use and only with his permission at certain times.

:waitasec: Ron was on TN plan and there was an extra phone that Misty used from the same plan. I now wonder if maybe Ronald took the phone and that is why Misty did not answer it. Maybe she started making calls after Ron got home from that phone? Maybe they switched phones in cover up mode. Seems like Ron knows his way around the law. The fact that Misty and Ron listed the same number in the police report was something else that I found suspicious early on. If they each had a phone, why did they list the same number? I would like to know who's phone is the one listed. Misty's or Ron's?

 

[Whisperer]

I wondered if she had a phone with her at home that night. rc may have controlled the phones since he owned them...it's possible, knowing rc. She could have had a family member's on her...don't know.

This case is a mess. I wonder when rc got in the fight with misty on the 9th. He said it was 8:30 from work....I just wonder. Everything these two say is the wrong time, day, place. The only time rc nails a time is when LE has the record and proof (like the 911), otherwise, he spins a story.

The fact that LE has a problem with their tracking, tells us something if off. Either they didn't get the phone to track it or the phone company didn't have the records or they were destroyed before LE got the d#$m phones.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/092209_haleigh_cummings

 

[Whisperer]

There could also be a problem out there because it is so rural, the cell towers are spaced far apart. That also is not helpful in trying to pinpoint location.

 

[bessie]

I wondered if she had a phone with her at home that night. rc may have controlled the phones since he owned them...it's possible, knowing rc. She could have had a family member's on her...don't know.

This case is a mess. I wonder when rc got in the fight with misty on the 9th. He said it was 8:30 from work....I just wonder. Everything these two say is the wrong time, day, place. The only time rc nails a time is when LE has the record and proof (like the 911), otherwise, he spins a story.

The fact that LE has a problem with their tracking, tells us something if off. Either they didn't get the phone to track it or the phone company didn't have the records or they were destroyed before LE got the d#$m phones.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/092209_haleigh_cummings

LE didn't have to have physical possession of the phones to get the records or to place a wiretap on them. What I find puzzling is the fact that they apparently have Ron's records because they know of the 20-90 unanswered phone calls to Misty, but claim technical problems interfered with getting Misty's phone records. Why would there be a problem if Ron and Misty were on the same plan? Sounds like a LE snafu to me. It was likely Ron's number noted on the incident report, and since Misty's number was not on file, they failed to request the records.

 

[1Chump]

I thought it was Lindsey who said that she ate dinner with Misty, but she also said that Tommy cooked dinner before she left for school. :waitasec:

Add that with Misty saying that Tommy and her cooked dinner around 5 pm while the kids were playing.

IMO, both Lindsay and Misty are saying the thing.

IMO, the lie is the place not that story. Both Lindsay and Misty's story is the same if it happened at Tommy/Lindsay's house. But if it happened at the MH, then one of them is lying.

Obviously, Misty had to move it to the MH to place herself there with Haleigh/Junior after Ron left for work. But when and why did Misty say it?

Did Misty from the first time she told the story state that they were at the MH or have to be asked where they were? Did Misty possibly change it to the MH after GGma Sykes said she stopped by the MH and Misty was there?

Because we do know that the inconsistency over the eating time happened because of GGma Sykes stating they were eating when she came by after 7 pm.
If you remove GGma Sykes, Misty cooking/eating with Tommy is not inconsistent with Lindsay's version.

 

[1Chump]

Hey Lone, didn't they say that "Misty's" phone had been turned off after the "argument" at 8:30p? Then turned back on right before Ron "got home"? Remember Ron said police had him on surveilance at the top of the hill? And LE seemed baffled by how long it took him to get home, then Ron told them about the stop at the store, then LE wanted to know how he got home so fast? This has always confused me. What if Ron and Teresa switched vehicles at some point that evening? Just a thought. I can't wait to hear your theory!

Why would Ron need to be on camera at the store when he would have been on camera leaving work?

IMO, Ron went into that store to be on camera because he was not the one who drove his vehicle from work. Ron knew the work camera would not show his face, only the vehicle. Ron needed his "face" on camera in a place on the route home from work to firm up his alibi in case anyone saw someone else driving his vehicle.

 

[azwriter]

Why would Ron need to be on camera at the store when he would have been on camera leaving work?

IMO, Ron went into that store to be on camera because he was not the one who drove his vehicle from work. Ron knew the work camera would not show his face, only the vehicle. Ron needed his "face" on camera in a place on the route home from work to firm up his alibi in case anyone saw someone else driving his vehicle.

You know Chump, this is what we need - some deep thinking and sleuthing in regards to Ron's activities and whereabouts the night his daughter disappeared. Your post makes for some interesting reading and reasoning.

We all have a list of what we don't know: was Haleigh in school that day; what hours did Ron work; how did his mom make the trip to the MH so quickly; was Misty at the MH that evening; why did Ron make a record number of calls to Misty that night; why didn't she answer; did Misty make calls to Ron that he didn't answer; was there a fight between them at 8:30 and what was the argument about; was GgmSykes really at the MH when she claims she was? And the list goes on, and on.

If we could find out the concrete answers to these, we could have a good start in trying to put together what might have happened.

I think you have provided a stong possible answer for Ron's visit to the store before he went home to the MH.
jmo

 

[dodie20]

Add that with Misty saying that Tommy and her cooked dinner around 5 pm while the kids were playing.

IMO, both Lindsay and Misty are saying the thing.

IMO, the lie is the place not that story. Both Lindsay and Misty's story is the same if it happened at Tommy/Lindsay's house. But if it happened at the MH, then one of them is lying.

Obviously, Misty had to move it to the MH to place herself there with Haleigh/Junior after Ron left for work. But when and why did Misty say it?

Did Misty from the first time she told the story state that they were at the MH or have to be asked where they were? Did Misty possibly change it to the MH after GGma Sykes said she stopped by the MH and Misty was there?

Because we do know that the inconsistency over the eating time happened because of GGma Sykes stating they were eating when she came by after 7 pm.
If you remove GGma Sykes, Misty cooking/eating with Tommy is not inconsistent with Lindsay's version.

& even though I can't see GGS involved in a murder, I never bought her story. It felt like a convenient alibi for Ron. Now helping out Ron, is something I CAN see her do. so, I'm tempted to do as you say, & remove GGS from the equation.

 

[1Chump]

You know Chump, this is what we need - some deep thinking and sleuthing in regards to Ron's activities and whereabouts the night his daughter disappeared. Your post makes for some interesting reading and reasoning.

We all have a list of what we don't know: was Haleigh in school that day; what hours did Ron work; how did his mom make the trip to the MH so quickly; was Misty at the MH that evening; why did Ron make a record number of calls to Misty that night; why didn't she answer; did Misty make calls to Ron that he didn't answer; was there a fight between them at 8:30 and what was the argument about; was GgmSykes really at the MH when she claims she was? And the list goes on, and on.

If we could find out the concrete answers to these, we could have a good start in trying to put together what might have happened.

I think you have provided a stong possible answer for Ron's visit to the store before he went home to the MH.
jmo

Every time Ron knows he is on tape, he tells us. The 911 call, the jailouse tapes, the jailhouse interview. Ron always lets us know that he is being "recorded." Right after he lets us know he is on tape, he says something to make us believe he had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

Ron obviously did not know Cobra was taping him because Ron never told us. However, Ron did tell Cobra about being on tape in that store. Ron not only told us but it was out of place when he told us. He back tracked to make sure Cobra knew he was on tape.

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ron: my daughter come up missing feb the 10th… feb. the 10th, at about
threeee 27, 28… i was there for about three minutes turning the house
upside down and then told misty, call 911, call 911. call 911.

cobra: i heard ya , i heard the tapes. i heard em off the tv.

ron: at 3:26 is when the 911 call was made. so, i must have pulled in at
about 3:23. they also have ummm surveilance videos from the top of the
hill where it goes from two lanes to 4 lanes…

Revisiting the cobra & ronald tapes - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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IMO, The non-logical progression of the conversation from 911 to video to store says that video is the most important part to Ron. Otherwise the video would not be the important part, the first part, of the stop at the store.

IMO, just like all the other times, when Ron knows he is being taped, Ron tells. Ron going back to bring up the "surviellance tape"is Ron letting us know he knew he was being taped. The only reason to "know" you are on tape in a store is because you went there to be on tape.

IMO, with Ron's history of mention tape, do something to show you had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, how can this tape be seen as anything else but Ron setting up an alibi?

 

[suspicious1]

Add that with Misty saying that Tommy and her cooked dinner around 5 pm while the kids were playing.

IMO, both Lindsay and Misty are saying the thing.

IMO, the lie is the place not that story. Both Lindsay and Misty's story is the same if it happened at Tommy/Lindsay's house. But if it happened at the MH, then one of them is lying.

Obviously, Misty had to move it to the MH to place herself there with Haleigh/Junior after Ron left for work. But when and why did Misty say it?

Did Misty from the first time she told the story state that they were at the MH or have to be asked where they were? Did Misty possibly change it to the MH after GGma Sykes said she stopped by the MH and Misty was there?

Because we do know that the inconsistency over the eating time happened because of GGma Sykes stating they were eating when she came by after 7 pm.
If you remove GGma Sykes, Misty cooking/eating with Tommy is not inconsistent with Lindsay's version.

I thought it was Lindsey who said that she ate dinner with Misty, but she also said that Tommy cooked dinner before she left for school. :waitasec:

Ok guys, I am trying to keep up. So Lindsay says that she ate dinner with Misty. And wasn't it Lindsay who said that Teresa talk to Misty about babysitting and Misty said she would if it was ok with Ron? If that is the case, was Lindsay around to hear that call? That's what it sounds like to me. I agree with you 1Chump, the lie is the place and not the story. The one thing that breaks that story up is GMSykes saying she went by the mh and saw Misty and the kids together. Misty had to rearrange the true story to fit with GMSykes being there, therefore, turning the story into a lie.
If Lindsay was around to hear the call between Misty and Teresa, what time did Lindsay leave for school? Wouldn't the call had to take place before Lindsay left? That could give us an idea of what time Teresa contacted Misty. I think I am starting to confuse myself again!
LE thought that Misty may not have been home (Ron's house:waitasec that evening but the hours they were interested in was 10p-2a. Another poster mentioned maybe LE knew where Misty was up until 10p and after 2a, but they couldn't account for Misty between those hours. Maybe they know that Misty was not there at all that evening up until 2am, or at least 10p.

Just rambling again...sorry