General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[krkrjx]

MM...was this event prior to 2/28/09? I see the date on the report from AH but there are two different vehicles being described here. One being a pickup and the other being a pathfinder. I think AS had a pathfinder (red, of course) and I know darn well she has a red pickup whick rc always used.

Isn'at a pathfinder an SUV? I think the Pathfinder was traded on 2/28/09. So did she see a red pickup or a red SUV...GADs that woman loves the color red.

In my original post about the offering of $50 to the woman by RC and/or his dad I didn't know if ToC was present. I could not remember offhand and had not found an article prior to posting my question about the event.

It had been said that RC and ToC had at one time tried to find WBG. And also reported RC and his dad had tried. And then this woman saying she was offered $50 for WBG's address.

Possibly the mix-up about the vehicles is because there were separate incidents where WBG was being sought, with a different vehicle used each time and different players going each time? It's possible one or both events never even happened but I would not put it past RC (and maybe others along for the ride) trying to find WBG and offering cash for info in the process. It could have been during the weekend while Misty was AWOL. Or it could have been once she came home. Both events could have happened on the same day or not...I don't really know.

Since the report came from AH I am not as ready to believe it as I would be if it came from elsewhere or was at least corroborated by someone. That's JMO, however.

 

[Whisperer]

For the record, I believe it happened. I was attempting to pin it down by a definite identity of the vehicle.

This wouldn't be the first time, rc solicited help in going after somebody, usually a relative.....he would never do it alone..

 

[Crosby87]

Well, Ron and Misty didn't have to steal HaLeigh because they had her way more than Crystal did. And I dont think revenge on Crystal was on Mistys mind, if she was going to be vengeful and hateful toward any of Rons ex's it was going to be Amber Brooks, imo.
I tend to wonder, did Ron kill HaLeigh to keep Misty around? Maybe he had never dealt with a defiant in your face I will do what I want kinda gal like Misty before. Crystal seems very passive, I am not sure of the dynamics of his relationship with Amber, but maybe Misty blew his mind by going out and having sex and not caring what Ron thought. I have in the back of my mind thought Ron hurt HaLeigh to get Misty home, or to never make her leave, It could go anyway at this point. imo

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"Life with Cummings was difficult, Sheffield said. He was controlling and could be erratic, sometimes with guns." "I've watched him put a gun in his mouth in front of me and Haleigh," she said. Crystal was living with Ronald when he was charged in 2001 and 2004 for drug possession & in October 2001 when he was arrested after a Crescent City man said he was threatened at a stoplight and told he would be killed and this comment Crystal made about Ron's behavior raises a red flag, "He just didn't like my family," Sheffield said. He just kind of kept me away." What goes around comes around and it isn’t a stretch for me to believe Ron would purposely keep HaLeigh from Crystal if he felt justified in doing so. This is typical behavior from Ronald IMO.

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"They had also talked when Croslin baby-sat Cummings' youngest son, who lived with a former girlfriend. Croslin warned Cummings he needed to gain custody of the baby because she said the child's mother was a drug abuser who would sometimes disappear and abandon the boy with whoever had him."

Ron is a drug abuser & AFAIK, Ron wasn't paying child support to Amber and Ron attempted to steal Jordan from Amber one evening using Junior as his decoy.

Amber didn't owe Ronald money, Crystal did, to the tune of $12,000 and Misty saw Crystal regularly when Ronald and her exchanged the children for visitations.
In the video Misty's friend posted on YouTube after Misty was incarcerated, she said Misty told her Crystal didn't care about her children and CS wasn't a good mother so Misty was trashing both Amber and Crystal; but after Misty started dating Ron and living with him and caring for Crystal's children, Misty would have forgotten about Amber and Crystal would become her main attraction. Misty never said anything nice about Crystal and Misty saw Crystal as her enemy. Misty claimed HaLeigh was "our daughter" during the 911 call and she claimed Crystal's children loved her more than her. Misty stated on the Today Show I believe it was, she suspects Crystal may have had something to do with her daughter's disappearance and Ron made the same accusation. Hank Croslin Sr., Misty's father, he said his daughter was the most unruly of his three children and IMO, Misty's attitude is similar to that of Granny Hollers who tells everyone to go kiss my *** where the sun don't shine when she disagrees with someone. JMO, but I feel this debt Crystal owed Ron might have played a role in HaLeigh's disappearance. Weren't Crystal and Ron scheduled to appear in Court over the child support Crystal owed Ron?

Ron received all the money Crystal owed him in a lump sum after his daughter went missing which is what Ron would have wanted IMO at perhaps HaLeigh’s expense. Who wouldn't be upset if they were owed this amount of money and they didn't think they were ever going to see any of it? This is pure speculation on my part, but because Ron was legally entitled to this money and he knew Crystal couldn't come up with the cash she owed him, I suspect he took matters into his own hands and stopped Crystal's visits with HaLeigh. JMO

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...ed_ronald_and_misty_lost_their_way_long_ago_1

 

[Chablis]

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Ron received all the money Crystal owed him in a lump sum after his daughter went missing which is what Ron would have wanted IMO at perhaps HaLeigh’s expense. Who wouldn't be upset if they were owed this amount of money and they didn't think they were ever going to see any of it? This is pure speculation on my part, but because Ron was legally entitled to this money and he knew Crystal couldn't come up with the cash she owed him, I suspect he took matters into his own hands and stopped Crystal's visits with HaLeigh. JMO

But Haleigh going missing was not a for sure bet that some kind soul would pony up the money in one large sum, and pay Ronald off. Crystal could have gotten in trouble, a new amount would have been agreed on she pay monthly, and the the rest would go into arrears.

And HaLeigh going missing had no impact on her visits with Junior, so why dispose of one child?

 

[Whisperer]

I wonder how much disabled children affects ron cummings..........? He is an ego-based hypermanic type individual. I just don't see him having the selfless ability it requires to parent any kind of a child with a disability.

IMO...ron couldn't handle that sort of thing.

 

[Whisperer]

I wish we had a crime scene. I still can't come up with a theory w/o one.

 

[Whisperer]

Who has motive to hurt this child? The only one with motive is misty. Anyone else is going to be somebody who is enraged and completly out of control. That would be rc or JO (if JO is insane)

To keep it simple, it still appears the entire case revolves around misty rc being the perp. rc is covering because he is indirectly responsible. If misty did this alone, she panicked and called her brother/s to help her. Tommy may or may not have had a car at the time. The vehicle is important because I don't think misty would have buried haleigh. Misty would have put her in the water and likely in a bag.

I believe if misty is the perp and Haleigh died while with her, misty would have called the last person she was with and told them about it and tell them to get there quickly. Her fear of ron would be paramount. However I run into a problem with this because rc had to know what happened that evening because he was too quick to forgive and very fast to mingle with misty. He was protective of her by morning.....then he ups and marries her. He later keeps her hidden at Grandma's and doesn't go to LE to talk. This behavior equates with rc and misty both knowing or causing Haleigh's demise.

I cannot take misty out of the equation because she would have spilled if she wasn't involved. tommy was either there or has knowlege of what happened and it had to involve misty or he would have sent rc up the river eons ago.

We need a crime scene. This speculation is driving me crazy.

 

[Whisperer]

We have heard from two different people (I think) that rc has said that when driving over the Dunn's Creek Bridge that would be a perfect place to dump a body.

Funny that he puts those words in JO's mouth and changes the location.

Did rc use this place to dispose of Haleigh and did he do it when he stopped at the Kangaroo right in that area in the early morning hours of Feb 10?

 

[dodie20]

Who has motive to hurt this child? The only one with motive is misty. Anyone else is going to be somebody who is enraged and completly out of control. That would be rc or JO (if JO is insane)

To keep it simple, it still appears the entire case revolves around misty rc being the perp. rc is covering because he is indirectly responsible. If misty did this alone, she panicked and called her brother/s to help her. Tommy may or may not have had a car at the time. The vehicle is important because I don't think misty would have buried haleigh. Misty would have put her in the water and likely in a bag.

I believe if misty is the perp and Haleigh died while with her, misty would have called the last person she was with and told them about it and tell them to get there quickly. Her fear of ron would be paramount. However I run into a problem with this because rc had to know what happened that evening because he was too quick to forgive and very fast to mingle with misty. He was protective of her by morning.....then he ups and marries her. He later keeps her hidden at Grandma's and doesn't go to LE to talk. This behavior equates with rc and misty both knowing or causing Haleigh's demise.

I cannot take misty out of the equation because she would have spilled if she wasn't involved. tommy was either there or has knowlege of what happened and it had to involve misty or he would have sent rc up the river eons ago.

We need a crime scene. This speculation is driving me crazy.

oh, I think Tommy was involved, alright. Didn't LE get the yellow rope from his house? but, I have to ask...if Tommy was involved, why didn't he get rid of that rope? He could've just thrown it out. It's looking like a crime may have taken place at his house, unless he went back home, because he knew right where everything was, & thought it would be quicker than searching Ron's?That may be when Haleigh was put into the dumpster...if she even was. but I have a real hard time, ignoring those hits. I wonder how thoroughly LE checked Tommy's house. & I remember from a lie test, the interviewer asked Misty if Tommy left with the kids. She denied it, but I do wonder if Tommy babysat, somewhere that night. The report of Misty & Ron arguing because she wanted to babysit her bro's kids, may have actually been over her wanting her bro to babysit Ron's kids. That's made even more believable, if you factor in that Misty reportedly didn't want to babysit at all. So, if she didn't want to babysit Ron's kids, why would she want the burden of more kids? That argument never rang true to me. But an argument about Misty NOT wanting to babysit, does...because Ron wouldn't have wanted her on the loose. So, after thinking about this today, I think I feel comfortable saying that Tommy IMO, was directly involved. I doubt very seriously, that he's in the dark, & has been making up complete fabrications. I think there is some truth to his tales.

 

[Whisperer]

Why didn't the LE check Hank and Lisa's house if they indeed lived at 130 Magnolia adjacent to the dock? The house was empty that night....perfect?

I think if r & m were fighting over babysitting at 8:30pm, it was about getting misty to watch his kids. She was probably protesting. Tn was begging her to babysit. If TN lived close by, why didn't she go over? Because she didn't live close by so she sent her mother over to check and see if misty showed up. Whether misty was there or not is up for grabs.
Seems to me RC was frantic. Where were those kids and where was misty? At some point one or all three of them were not together in that MH.

If the MH was cleaned and beds were made, it is possible that tommy cleaned up....however one of them goofed because they made the bed according to rc.

Misty could have taken the ride with JO and hid the body. tommy at the mh gatheirng all the pills, drugs, guns, etc. For JO"s part, he would have demanded some sort of payment for his services and perhaps misty promised him the gun he wanted. JO may have taken it with him.

It was said that JO threw his clothes in some trash can on the way to TN. It was also stated that LE recovered them. LE had searched the caddilac he was riding in and have his clothes. The question is why did JO toss them and if he did, why didn't LE find anything on them?

IMO JO should have been the easiest person to include or exclude in this crime....yet nothing.

 

[Whisperer]

But the strangest part of this case is the fact that rc denied JO being at the MH. He denied he had a fight with him also. Ron insisted the door was locked. How the heck would he know if he were at work? ron seems to be the type that wants total control and call the shots even if is about the life or death of his own daughter. No normal person would insist the door was locked IF they weren't there and were at work and another person was in the house. Normal would be to press the person for the truth and still not believe them. Ron is strange.

Now why would ron not want to say he was fighting with JO? JO would be the perfect perp yet rc makes no attempt at including him on camera. Later when he talks to Cobra, he sounds convinced JO is the person who took Haleigh. Even later, after this last arrest, he suggest Crysal took her. Why weren't the police convinced about JO? Ron is strange....real strange.

Ron of course speaks out of both sides of his mouth. He tells the camera one story and does a total 180 when he talks privately. Which is the truth? neither. He is very, very strange.

 

[Maryann123]

Dodie, I don't think yellow rope being found at the river is strange. Tommy and several others have said he was at the river at least one time before Haleigh went missing, and I'd be willing to bet, he was there more than one time. I think the yellow rope was always in the back of his van, maybe used in his job. (when the van was sold, it was cleaned out and items stored at Tommy's house) The rope could have been something he used when fishing at an earlier time. It could have been used for setting turtle hooks. If LE actually found rope tied to a cinder block, it could be someone used it to anchor a boat. Let's say the yellow rope is an exact match to what Tommy kept in the back of his van. Next, you have to know who drove Tommy's van the night Haleigh went missing. The van was parked at Timmy's house, so if it was used to dispose of little Haleigh, you can't rule out anyone. In order to transport a body, you would need something like a van, or use the trunk of a car. I don't see using an open truck for this deed. Too much risk with being pulled over for whatever reason. According to Chelsea, the van had been moved, and a fresh scratch was put on it. It sure sounds like this was the means of disposal. I'm still confused about Chelsea or Misty saying "please tell me you did/didn't (not sure which) put the scratch on the van. If it was Misty asking Chelsea, why is she concerned, it's not her van. If it's Chelsea asking Misty, then she has to know Misty had the van at some point while it was in her possession. Somebody straighten me out on who asked who this question. Or am I totally off, and it was a conversation between Chelsea and Lindsy? This is the only way this would not be a suspicious conversation.

 

[Maryann123]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc61AO1APc4&feature=related


From Chelsea's own mouth......Misty calls it her van. I'm convinced it was Misty that took the van that night, and probably has her own set of keys. I would be certain Misty was the one, if the Cummings didn't act so strange. Misty knows what happened, she was in on the disposing of Haleigh's body......at least the short term disposal, and can tell it all if she wants to. Bottom line, if Misty won't talk, I don't think this will ever be over. MOO

 

[1Chump]

Why didn't the LE check Hank and Lisa's house if they indeed lived at 130 Magnolia adjacent to the dock? The house was empty that night....perfect?

I think if r & m were fighting over babysitting at 8:30pm, it was about getting misty to watch his kids. She was probably protesting. Tn was begging her to babysit. If TN lived close by, why didn't she go over? Because she didn't live close by so she sent her mother over to check and see if misty showed up. Whether misty was there or not is up for grabs.
Seems to me RC was frantic. Where were those kids and where was misty? At some point one or all three of them were not together in that MH.

If the MH was cleaned and beds were made, it is possible that tommy cleaned up....however one of them goofed because they made the bed according to rc.

Misty could have taken the ride with JO and hid the body. tommy at the mh gatheirng all the pills, drugs, guns, etc. For JO"s part, he would have demanded some sort of payment for his services and perhaps misty promised him the gun he wanted. JO may have taken it with him.

It was said that JO threw his clothes in some trash can on the way to TN. It was also stated that LE recovered them. LE had searched the caddilac he was riding in and have his clothes. The question is why did JO toss them and if he did, why didn't LE find anything on them?

IMO JO should have been the easiest person to include or exclude in this crime....yet nothing.

I seriously question Joe throwing his clothes away. What are the chances that LE found the trash can with the clothes in them somewhere between Florida and TN before the trash was picked up? I just don't believe it.

But after LE talked to Joe and had his clothes, LE cleared Joe. Joe is the only person LE has publically stated was ruled out and is not a suspect, not a person of interest. LE has NEVER stated that they changed their position on Joe.

The media are the ones who are insisting Joe is involved. However, it is interesting that some of the same media that have stated Joe is involved defend Ron as an innocent father who passed his poly. However, look at how they determined Joe is guilty while Ron is innocent.

Joe is guilty because his cousins, Misty andd Tommy, say he is guilty. Joe is guilty because his own Gma, Gma Flo, says she feels he is guilty. Gma Flo feels Joe is guilty because he changed when he came back from Florida. Joe is angry and stays close to home. The media always points out that Gma Flo is credible because Joe is her grandson. A Gma would NEVER throw her own grandson under the bus unless she truly believed he did it.

However, when those same cousins and Gma Flo suggest Ron is involved, we are told why they cannot be believed. The cousins are known liars. Ron, according to Ron, has passed his poly. My favorite is GGma Sykes is a credible witness who says she was at the MH after Ron was at work. The media always points out that Ron is angry because people are falsely accussing him of being angry and being involved with drugs.

If the cousins cannot be believed about Ron, they cannot be believed about Joe. If Ron saying he passed his poly is a fact, then LE saying Joe has been cleared, is not a suspect or a person of interest is a fact. If Gma Flo cannot be credible about Ron because she is trying to protect the granddaughter she raised for about 3 years, then Gma Sykes cannot be credible about Ron because she is trying to protect the Grandson she raised for about 13 years.

If Ron's anger is excused because of false accussations, wouldn't Joe have the right to be angry for the same reasons. Especially when you consider Ron's anger is over false accussations of drug involvement which we now know is true. While Joe's anger could be at being publically outed as a sex offender which we now know is false.

I just find it interesting that the very same information that is used by the media to support Joe's involvement is discredit for Ron's involvement.

IMO, Joe's planned departure from Florida that day made Joe the perfect scapegoat from the very beginning. Even after LE cleared him, the Cummings/Croslin clan refused to stop pushing it and those in the media who have stated they thing Ron is innocent have kept it alive.

 

[1Chump]

But the strangest part of this case is the fact that rc denied JO being at the MH. He denied he had a fight with him also. Ron insisted the door was locked. How the heck would he know if he were at work? ron seems to be the type that wants total control and call the shots even if is about the life or death of his own daughter. No normal person would insist the door was locked IF they weren't there and were at work and another person was in the house. Normal would be to press the person for the truth and still not believe them. Ron is strange.

Now why would ron not want to say he was fighting with JO? JO would be the perfect perp yet rc makes no attempt at including him on camera. Later when he talks to Cobra, he sounds convinced JO is the person who took Haleigh. Even later, after this last arrest, he suggest Crysal took her. Why weren't the police convinced about JO? Ron is strange....real strange.

Ron of course speaks out of both sides of his mouth. He tells the camera one story and does a total 180 when he talks privately. Which is the truth? neither. He is very, very strange.

IMO, Ron is a classic abuser and/or sociapath who charms people in public while manipulating/controlling people in private. I think Ron's private talks when he believes his words cannot be proven are mostly truthful. If you listen to the actual Cobra tapes, Ron's misspeaks several times. Ron's words tell us a lot more about that day.

IMO, by Ron's own words the fight happened that day and Hank Sr. was thrown in to distract because we know Hank Sr. was in the hospital that day. Ron also talks about Haleigh's driving as someone Ron was following, not someone sitting on his lap. Ron talks about the blinkers first the right blinker than the left as somenthing he saw as he was following. The anger at people thinking he was bad to let Haleigh drive on his lap was another distraction. Even the store tape story, Ron tells it as driving from the MH not work.

IMO, Ron talks truthfully in private because he knows it will be his word against someone else's words...they cannot prove it. Just as Ron not only lies in public but tells us he knows he is being taped to try to distract us with his lies, ie....Ron knows he is being taped but must be innocent because he is making death threats on tape.

 

[dodie20]

I don't know who did what, but I do believe that Misty, Tommy, Joe, & Ron are all involved. & because of the van being scratched, & also because Misty said, in a lie test, that if she needed help, she'd call Timmy, I think Timmy was involved.There is no way Ron doesn't know what happened. & him being chummy, (selling dope), with Tommy, confuses the heck out of me. Ron isn't stupid or passive, & if he wasn't involved, it's my opinion, that he has had enough information to either figure this out, or get the answers out of Misty. Unless he just doesn't care. Personally, I don't see how Joe wasn't involved. If there was a big disposal going on, I don't see how he could've been kept out of it, because I doubt he just quietly slept through everything. Also, I'm thinking that the scratch conversation was between Chelsea & Lindsey. Now why did Chelsea get so emotional, over a scratch, & why did she call Lindsey? She knew Haleigh was missing, & she knew the van was damaged. 2+2. If there's one consistent in this case, besides the drugs & lieing, it's that the females cover for their men. All of these men are bossy & domineering, so I wonder if any of the women, knows everything. probably not. After watching Tommy work on Lindsey, I imagine Timmy has done the same to Chelsea. It took Tommy being locked up, failing a LDT, & refusing to cooperate, to get Lindsey to turn her back. The story about Joe wasn't enough to get her to stick around, so I have to wonder what she has pieced together. I think the only thing that would keep her from supporting Tommy, is knowing that he's doomed. But for the life of me, I can't see why somebody hasn't cracked & just told the truth, because surely the truth isn't as bad as some of the speculation. & why would so many people protect one killer? Do they all love Misty that much? Ron? Tommy? NO. so, I have to conclude, the reason is a combination of the snitch honor code, & the women not knowing much, (the men made a point of keeping it that way). Lindsey & Chelsea haven't cracked because they don't know much, Timmy hasn't cracked, because he's out of pocket, (& free), Ron hasn't cracked, because it was his daughter, & he doesn't want to be judged for not doing a thing to avenge her death, (& for becaming a willing participant in the cover-up), Misty hasn't cracked because it's her family, & she owes Ron for protecting her & them, & Tommy hasn't cracked because he's deeply involved, & it's in his best interest not to, & Joe hasn't cracked because he's a free man & wants to keep it that way. Hearing Misty's dad, in one breath, ask her why she hated her brother, & then in the next, tell her that he & Lisa might be moving, convinced me of Tommy's involvement. Misty's reaction was instant, & it was one of the few times, that I've felt true emotion from her. She broke down crying, professed her love for Tommy, & then in a very fearful voice, asked something to the effect of, 'you guys aren't gonna come see me, anymore?' I felt like her dad was reminding her that family comes 1st. total manipulation. He wants the truth, but only if it doesn't bring down Tommy. & since he doesn't seem to be quite as worried about Misty, I think he has a pretty good idea of what happened. I'm not saying this is what happened, because my theories change from day to day, but right now, it feels right, to me.

 

[Whisperer]

Maryanne, The tape with Chelsea talking about the van and misty has been edited. They snipped it at the wrong time (as usual). If you look closely you will see the snip. Chelsea was actually relating a conversation she had with Lindsy about the damage. That part was edited out and it appeared like she was discussing the damage with misty and misty was the owner...not so.

I am very frustrated with the reporting. What ever happened to Editors? There is no accountability anymore.

 

[cluciano63]

Oh, why does the Kyron case continue to have more and more in common with this one...no crime scene, no body, some people thinking the child is alive, others thinking child has been dead since the beginning, stepmom or girlfriend last in charge of child, a hasty divorce, other child custody issues, a bio-mom who is convinced her child is still alive, a police force who is either working brilliantly behind the scenes or does not have a clue...both cases a nightmare to make any sense of.

 

[Chablis]

Oh, why does the Kyron case continue to have more and more in common with this one...no crime scene, no body, some people thinking the child is alive, others thinking child has been dead since the beginning, stepmom or girlfriend last in charge of child, a hasty divorce, other child custody issues, a bio-mom who is convinced her child is still alive, a police force who is either working brilliantly behind the scenes or does not have a clue...both cases a nightmare to make any sense of.

Well, except in this case, Ron married the person last known to be with his daughter. Actually that case does remind me of this one. Kaine Horman did what Ronald should have done after being briefed by cops about Misty. In this case, cops told Ron Misty passed her tests, when we know now she did not. One has to wonder why. Why would the cops lie to Ron? They had an obligation to tell Ron if they truly thought Misty was the culprit, as to not expose her to the remaining child. Kaine got his remaining child away from the step mom, that was smart.

 

[Whisperer]

How is it known that LE told rc that misty passed her poly?