General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[kant]

She married him because she was a dumb young teen in love, and sadly Ron was better stability than her own parents and family. She probably also feels very sorry for him and has guilt because the child died as a result of her actions that made Ron mad, imo.

I have to go with..well.. imo if Misty hurt Haleigh and Ron knew it, Misty would not be alive to tell anyone beans about anything.

moo

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[kant]

I believe Misty would implicate Ron if she knew for certain he played a role in his daughter's disappearance. Misty said Ron never answered her question and explained why he didn't answer her phone calls before he suddenly showed up at the door. Was Ron lurking outside watching her freak out after she woke up and found the door open and HaLeigh gone? Possibly. The timing of his appearance is impeccable. If Ron was asked while under oath why he never answered Misty's calls, this case might be further ahead than it is today. Another good question to ask Ron on a LDT or under oath is: Do you want your daughter to come home? AFAIK, Ron had a key to the backdoor so he could have opened it and placed the brick there to make it appear like his daughter was abducted.

And I'll add to that, that the brick at the door screamed "Staged" to me... screamed, I tell you. It's like, "hey let's prop it open cuz that proves some malicious intruder opened it and bricked it." And I'm Mary Queen of Scots.

 

[azwriter]

Thanks Az. We definitely need to find Orlando. I say we all go and hunt him down. I'm about 12-14 hours away from Florida....you bring the snacks and I'll bring the No-Doz. LOL

Oh, and we'll need beer for Whisperer. LOL

suspicious 1, they have beer in Florida, I've been there. So, Whisperer is taken care of. I'm clear on the other side of the country so it will take me a while to get to Ron and Misty land. Wait for me. lol

Do you by any chance, know Orlando's full name? Does anyone? Seriously?

 

[azwriter]

IMO, Misty KNOWS Ronald had something to do with Haleigh being missing because she witnessed it first hand. Shes in love with him, I mean how many women do you know 2 months after a divorce go and get their ex husbands name on their lower back in big permanent letters?

Nothing personal Chablis, but I'm sorry I read your post. Just the thought of that tat makes my skin crawl.
I must be really old or old fashion. In my day as a teenager when you really liked a guy, you wrote his name all over your notebook.

Misty's family didn't do her any favors in raising her. She's still a kid and look what has happened in her short life.

I still can't grab onto the reason for her silence. Is she protecting Ron or herself? I really doubt she would protect TN or Sykes. What deal did she strike with the Cummings family in order to go along with the story Haleigh was taken by an outsider on her watch?

She marries Ron, and yet seems unfazed with a divorce only a few months later after which she's snuggling up with her "Baby" in some drug deals. Those two never left each other's side IMO>

As time goes by in this case, I am beginning to believe Misty wasn't at the MH the night Haleigh met her fate. But she was brought in later to help set up what Ron and family thought was a reasonable story about Haleigh's disappearance.

jmo

 

[dodie20]

Nothing personal Chablis, but I'm sorry I read your post. Just the thought of that tat makes my skin crawl.
I must be really old or old fashion. In my day as a teenager when you really liked a guy, you wrote his name all over your notebook.

Misty's family didn't do her any favors in raising her. She's still a kid and look what has happened in her short life.

I still can't grab onto the reason for her silence. Is she protecting Ron or herself? I really doubt she would protect TN or Sykes. What deal did she strike with the Cummings family in order to go along with the story Haleigh was taken by an outsider on her watch?

She marries Ron, and yet seems unfazed with a divorce only a few months later after which she's snuggling up with her "Baby" in some drug deals. Those two never left each other's side IMO>

As time goes by in this case, I am beginning to believe Misty wasn't at the MH the night Haleigh met her fate. But she was brought in later to help set up what Ron and family thought was a reasonable story about Haleigh's disappearance.

jmo

actually, I think they did leave each other's sides, during that time that Misty went nuts-the road rage with Donna Brock, calling the cops, while buying dope, etc...Didn't she also go stay with her grandmother for awhile? That girl was busy. IDK if Ron started missing her, or was bored, or got worried that he couldn't control her, but whatever the reason, he wanted her back. When they shared their own road rage experience, I got the distinct feeling, that he was trying to one-up, Donna Brock. kind of an 'anything you can do, I can do better' thing. IMO, Ron was trying to win her back. & that's when I realized that there was a little more to Misty, than I previously thought. Yeah, I bet Ron had a hard time controling her, & keeping her entertained.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

:waitasec: Did I miss something? I thought the reward has been $30,000 for a while now? IMO LE needs to take a closer look at Ron and Fam. Odd that the media would just report that the reward has increased when I thought that was the reward already. They also report that LE may only need one more tip to solve this case, how can one tip keep this case from moving forward? Someone should of already been charged with something. I say start with child neglect and child endangerment. Misty and Ron did neg/endanger Haleigh and Jr. IMO

Haleigh Cummings Reward Tops $30,000
Created: 7/28/2010 3:57:35 PM
"Snip" http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...storyid=161123


SATSUMA, Fla. -- With so much attention, and law enforcement, focused on Ronald Cummings and the Croslin family in recent months, the search is still continuing for Haleigh Cummings.


The PCSO and the FDLE are still searching for Haliegh Cummings, Sheriff Hardy has told her family to prepare for the possibility that she is dead.

The search for answers continues, and there is a very large reward being offered for information leading to Haleigh.

Crime Stoppers $1,000 reward, the Justice Coalition added $8,490, and residents have contributed $21,377.

There is more than $30,000 for the person with the key piece of information leading to Haleigh Cummings.

Having sifted through thousands of tips, investigators know a lot, but it could be as simple as one more clue that lets them put the full story together.


If you know anything that could help, call Crime Stoppers at 888-277-TIPS (8477). You will remain anonymous.

Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin, and three other family members were arrested in Jan on drug charges.



Hank Sr. and Lisa Croslin, were also arrested on drug charges last week.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Madj, I thought at one time it was $35K or abouts? So a bit disapointed here and have never understood the NG's amount or non amounts stated on her show.

$30K. Someone knows and hopefully that will help them. But no biters so far.

 

[Emeralgem]

suspicious 1, they have beer in Florida, I've been there. So, Whisperer is taken care of. I'm clear on the other side of the country so it will take me a while to get to Ron and Misty land. Wait for me. lol

Do you by any chance, know Orlando's full name? Does anyone? Seriously?

Orlando Traylor..JMO

 

[SoSueMe]

Hello LT, I hope your daughter is recovering well from her injuries.

Since LDT results aren't admissible in Court, the prosecution can't use them so, Mr. Fields shouldn't be concerned about what the media thinks, it's irrelevant. The media is not a Court of Law.

Yes Misty is caught on tape selling drugs to an UC cop, but that is a one-sided attempt by LE to make everyone believe Misty is guilty in the court of public opinion and sway her from having her say in Court. To serve and protect the rights of others, we have the Justice System which allows those charged with a crime the opportunity to speak up in their own defense. Then it is up to an impartial Judge or Jury to reach a verdict.

Therefore, Mr. Field's has a duty to go to Court prepared to speak on behalf of his client and present facts which defend her version of the truth. If Mr. Field’s withholds this opportunity from Misty, he is guilty of obstructing Justice. According to Misty, she was manipulated into purchasing drugs for LE and therefore she has to explain HOW LE set her up in order to save herself from being convicted of a crime LE instigated to frame her. AFAIK, LE have no evidence to prove she was selling drugs to anyone else and IMO, she has a very strong chance of winning this case IF her lawyer would willingly collaborate with her. If he decided to help Misty rather then silence her, it would bolster Misty’s chances of being charged as a youth offender. Mr. Field’s has the power to either make or break her and unfortunately it appears Mr. Field's is content to obstruct justice and confine his client to a life behind bars.

Being that the drug charges and HaLeigh's case are separate issues, the only thing Misty has to tell right now is how LE manipulated her into selling illegal drugs, which she has, but unfortunately Mr. Field's has decided to frame her too. JMO

Mr. Fields is silencing his client? Framing Misty? Obstructing justice? Those are some pretty strong accusations there Bluesky. Mr. Fields can only take this as far as his client is willing to go and weighing that against the possible outcome.

 

[azwriter]

I believe Misty would implicate Ron if she knew for certain he played a role in his daughter's disappearance. Misty said Ron never answered her question and explained why he didn't answer her phone calls before he suddenly showed up at the door. Was Ron lurking outside watching her freak out after she woke up and found the door open and HaLeigh gone? Possibly. The timing of his appearance is impeccable. If Ron was asked while under oath why he never answered Misty's calls, this case might be further ahead than it is today. Another good question to ask Ron on a LDT or under oath is: Do you want your daughter to come home? AFAIK, Ron had a key to the backdoor so he could have opened it and placed the brick there to make it appear like his daughter was abducted.

To my knowledge Blue, I can't recall a time when Ron was questioned under oath in the last year and a half. Unless there is a deposition of Ron I don't know about. Can you cite an instance when he was questioned under oath?
Just want to catch up on something I may have missed.
azwriter

 

[1Chump]

I wonder if that holds true for Misty's videotaped LDT and hypnosis tests, since they were privately administered and publicly distributed.

IMO, The results absolutely cannot be used.

IMO, the statements themselves are another story. I could see potential arguments to keep them out as direct testimony. However, if Misty testified to another version, I could also see them allowed for "credibility" purposes.

IMO, the tapes could potentially be most damaging if Ron and/or TN was charged. Not because of Misty's statements but because they forced her to take those tests. I would think the SA could use them to show the lengths they went to in covering up Haleigh's disappearance.

 

[Justin Tyme]

This may have been brought up before, I don't know. MC and ToC may be afraid that RC and TN have REAL connections with the LE that they are afraid to talk about what happened to HC, Who knows? Maybe RC & TN threatened them they if they talked they would know OR maybe they just have fear because of "just knowing" that RC and TN had connections with LE. Who knows what stories RC may have told them about his past connections with the LE or even stories perhaps TN has related to them. Being true or not could put a REAL FEAR in MC & ToC not to talk. These are just my thoughts. I'm trying to connect the dots.
My 1st EX of twenty years was a SGT for the FDOC. He use to beat the HELL-O out of me. When I tried to call the law he would say, "I'm a SGT for the department, you're nobody, who do you think that they're going to believe, me OR you?" I finally after twenty years (20 yrs -that's a l-o-n-g time, got the courage to call the law and he was arrested.) Even though he was arrested he still was on the "good old boy" terms with another department. He was given a smack on the hand and released the next morning so he could get to work on time. I was like. WHAT??? So. spoken or not there is a real fear I think for MC & ToC not to talk. These are just my thoughts on the matter. My heart aches with the thoughts that HC's REAL MOM and family may never have closure and never be able to lay her loving child to rest.

 

[dodie20]

I've been trying to put myself in Misty's shoes, & walk through this, step by step, to try to understand her behavior. Who would she cover for? Tommy? Herself? Let's say that she & Ron did argue over babysitting, but instead of it being over her wanting to sit with her brother's kids, it was over her wanting her brother to sit with Ron's kids. Ron wouldn't have wanted her out, without him, but for argument's sake, say she left the kids with Tommy, anyway. She goes off & meets up with WBG or NayNay, or whoever, & Tommy either takes the kids to his house, or stays at Ron's with them. Lindsey is at class. If she got home, & the kids were there, would she be mad? IDK, but if Joe & others were over, she might be. Say, she got mad, told Tommy to get everybody out, & then went to bed. How long could Tommy have been gone, without her being suspicious? If he took the kids home, & then something happened there, but he rushed back to Lindsey, she might have been none the wiser, if he waited til she was asleep, to get back to Ron's. This may be when he called Joe for help, & maybe Timmy. Or something could've happened at his own house, but he quickly got Haleigh out, or it could've happened at his parent's empty house, but then he hightailed it back home, before Lindsey got home from school. I don't think Haleigh died in her own home. Some kind of forensics or death scent, should've been picked up. & except for the dumpster hits, which LE shot down, there's nothing. Misty would've then come home, right before Ron, to a gone Haleigh. Tommy could've lied & said that he dropped both kids off & they were fine, so a stranger must have broken in & gotten her... but, Misty would've known exactly what happened. or maybe Tommy called her, told her a semi truth, & she went home, to help with the cover-up. (which is likely). But, then again, maybe she didn't leave the kids with Tommy, but he knew they were home alone, so he took advantage of the situation. That would explain Jr's man in black story. But whatever happened, I think that Tommy committed the act, went home to keep from rousing Lindsey's suspicion, & finished with the disposal, after she went to sleep. & I think it's possible that Misty helped with that disposal. This is my number 1 theory, involving Tommy. But if he hadn't put himself at the trailer, then in the trailer, then seeing a dead Haleigh, then at the disposal site...I might never have suspected him. His wild tales & failed lie detector test, point to his guilt.

 

[dodie20]

I guess this is my number 2 theory, even though I've never wanted to believe that Misty killed Haleigh. She gets home, after a weekend of drug binging, feeling hungover, grouchy, & resentful. After Ron goes to work, she has trouble with Haleigh, so she calls Ron for advice, (or maybe decided on her own, this time), he tells her to spank her, so she does...& can't stop herself, & beats her almost to death-maybe even bashing her head with a board. As she's dieing, Misty calls Tommy, he comes over, takes Haleigh from the bed, (Jr's story), puts her in the dumpster, & comes back later with help, another vehicle, rope, cinder blocks, whatever, & then disposes of her.

 

[dodie20]

This is my number 3 theory, & if it weren't for Ron's behavior, after Haleigh came up missing, I might never have suspected him. He was in trouble with the school, had CPS breathing down his neck, was having major problems with Misty, so, he was most definantly, feeling the pressure. Misty wasn't answering his calls, that night, & if he went home earlier than we've been told, & found her gone, & the kids alone, Haleigh could've been on the recieving end of his bad temper. She was a sick little girl, needed a lot of care & attention, & he may have blamed her for most of his problems. After disposing of her, (with Tommy's help?), he could've hung around outside, waiting for Misty to get home, & call 911. & then again, he may have told her a semi truth, or that he got home to a dead Haleigh, blamed her for leaving them, & made her help with the cover-up.

 

[lonetraveler]

:waitasec: Did I miss something? I thought the reward has been $30,000 for a while now? IMO LE needs to take a closer look at Ron and Fam. Odd that the media would just report that the reward has increased when I thought that was the reward already. They also report that LE may only need one more tip to solve this case, how can one tip keep this case from moving forward? Someone should of already been charged with something. I say start with child neglect and child endangerment. Misty and Ron did neg/endanger Haleigh and Jr. IMO

bbm: MADJGNLAW, as bad as this sounds, I would not be a bit surprised if Ron gets out and files to get custody of Jr. back and gets it. Remember, DCF found him the most fit parent to raise Jr., if he is cut loose from jail due to a deal that he has made, then that will probably be enough for DCF to once again, find him a fit parent. Enough to make you bite through a nail, isn't it?

 

[lonetraveler]

IMO, The results absolutely cannot be used.

IMO, the statements themselves are another story. I could see potential arguments to keep them out as direct testimony. However, if Misty testified to another version, I could also see them allowed for "credibility" purposes.

IMO, the tapes could potentially be most damaging if Ron and/or TN was charged. Not because of Misty's statements but because they forced her to take those tests. I would think the SA could use them to show the lengths they went to in covering up Haleigh's disappearance.

One of your statements match my own reasoning for GGMS, Ron and Teresa forcing Misty to take the LDT. That is that they knew that she would fail and suspicions would be cast upon her. Part of the overall plan, I think. And, it worked.

 

[4Jacy]

One of your statements match my own reasoning for GGMS, Ron and Teresa forcing Misty to take the LDT. That is that they knew that she would fail and suspicions would be cast upon her. Part of the overall plan, I think. And, it worked.

Sorry, but I don't think any of them are that bright. MOO

 

[Whisperer]

I thinik they wanted her to take it and was hoping she would pass. As long as she looks good, rc looks good....people won't think he is so bad on his choice of babysitters/gf. It is always about ron.

 

[Peliman]

One of your statements match my own reasoning for GGMS, Ron and Teresa forcing Misty to take the LDT. That is that they knew that she would fail and suspicions would be cast upon her. Part of the overall plan, I think. And, it worked.

I also think what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If anything to help move this case forward. Not that they legally have to but I'm still waiting to hear about TN and GGMS taking a LDT. I do think it's a moral responsibility.