General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[Whisperer]

PBG...I like reading your posts, they are logical and you put forth a convincing arguement.. What would be the reasons for ron and misty both lying before Haleigh has even disappeared? There is a conflict about the day, starting at 7:00am, when it was time to get Haleigh to school.

One would think they would get the story straight. Ron tells Cobra he took Haleigh to the bus stop; misty tells Hart, she walked Haleigh into the classroom. At many turns in this story, ron is conflicting fact that have been told. After hearing there was a fight between him and JO, rc denies it; then tells Cobra all the sorded details of how rc had threatened him with mutilation for stealing his gun. We have the beds, etc, etc.

Misty was sleeping with the kids; rc agrees; tn changes it; rc changes it and then misty changes it. Then rc tells Miller misty was never in the bed that night...WTH?

RC and Misty are very immature and the gmas should have stepped up and never let them have those kids but that is water over the bridge now. I am of the opinion that both ron and misty suffer from mental illness and have personality disorders on top of it. I think they both use alcohol and drugs to reduce their overactive racing minds. Many perps have committed horrendous crimes on children under the influence of alcohol. In fact, I can't think of a case of an inmate I had ever seen where alcohol wasn't involved when the victim was a child. That was a time ago; maybe times have changed but I doubt it.

 

[krkrjx]

I have considered how pizzed Ron likely was over the weekend prior to Haleigh's disappearance. Misty was not there and that left Ron on his own with the kids for probably a longer time period than usual, so likely they alternated between TN and AS that weekend. This could explain why AS was angry with Misty for having left Ron without a babysitter. And could explain why TN begged Misty to babysit Monday night; TN had had enough of the kids over the weekend.

I have no trouble believing that both Haleigh and Junior were swatted or smacked on a regular basis by Ron and TN, and likely AS and Misty as well. Add to that the likelihood that tempers were short that weekend due to Misty's absence and the situation was ripe for a violent outburst if a child as much as whined or acted up 'kid style.'

Fast forward to Monday when Misty returned to the MH. I assume Misty did return prior to Ron leaving for work since for now I have to go along with the AC man having seen her there around 5 PM.

Ron and Misty probably were arguing right up until he had to leave for work. He could have smacked Haleigh and left. And maybe Misty was so stressed from all that was going on she also struck Haleigh for whatever reason. If Haleigh was injured and died later, they might not know for sure who was responsible. OK...I know that sounds a bit over the top but, with these people anything is possible, IMO.

I believe all these adults loved Haleigh, but a stressed or angry adult can lash out in the heat of the moment, and I have no doubt that there were many heated moments in the lives of these people...especially over that weekend and into Monday night.

If Haleigh did not die of an inflicted injury, she may have died of a drug overdose and, if so, the situation was such that both Ron and Misty share the guilt. Whichever it was, something happened to Haleigh that implicates both Ron and Misty because, if it implicated just one, I believe the other would have talked by now.

All JMO.

 

[Whisperer]

It boggles my mind that ron and misty are in conflict about the events of the day and evening, yet got married and never matched up their stories. Ron stated over and over that misty did not harm haleigh and he was standing by her. YET, he told different stories than she did...

 

[Whisperer]

Nobody is covering for JO though. Many in his family think he did kill Haleigh. If he did, misty should talk. The only thing that comes to mind is that misty wasn't in the MH when JO took Haleigh.

But if so, misty should have told that she wasn't there. Ron should have jumped in his car and found JO by 3:40am. That to me would make sense. I know I would have done that instead of sitting out front of my house crying. This was a time for action not grieving. Grieve later...go find your child...Good Grief! I get #$#$ when I think about it!!:banghead:

 

[Whisperer]

I bet misty was gone from at least the previous Wed, the 4th. Haleigh didn't make it to school on Thursday, so something was coming down.

I think these druggies get their days confused and have no idea what they were doing. First of all, Nay's accident was the 28th of Jan and misty was with her then...it was reported as a hit and run and is on record. LE caught up with her and they happened to be standing outside of WBG's mom's house and she invited them inside and that is where misty saw WBG's pic.

I doubt their stories of just meeting on the weekend of the 6th.

 

[krkrjx]

Nobody is covering for JO though. Many in his family think he did kill Haleigh. If he did, misty should talk. The only thing that comes to mind is that misty wasn't in the MH when JO took Haleigh.

But if so, misty should have told that she wasn't there. Ron should have jumped in his car and found JO by 3:40am. That to me would make sense. I know I would have done that instead of sitting out front of my house crying. This was a time for action not grieving. Grieve later...go find your child...Good Grief! I get #$#$ when I think about it!!:banghead:

IMO, Ron never acted as if he even suspected JO. Even with the Croslins putting little tidbits of info out that JO stole the van or was acting weird, or had a violent history, etc., Ron did not appear to suspect him. Ron acted guilty of something, IMO, and his behavior from the get-go is why I cannot let go of him or his clan being involved somehow.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Ron to me sounded impaired. Drugged or drunk on the 911 call and the first video's of him were no better. JMO

 

[Whisperer]

Within a few weeks or less, we should have some answers. If not, it may be years before we know. If everyone says JO did it and there is no evidence to back the story up, I don't see how it can be solved with him as the perp.

Ron drives me nuts, he is crazy like a fox.

We will all see what misty is up to soon. Pretty obvious, that LE believes Tommy is involved up to his eyeballs. I just checked Jerom's record, oh Lordy. He has served half of his life in prison. He has at least seven prison terms. This last time he pleaded out on three drug trafficking charges of 14-28gms. (fifteen yrs minimums). He got 15 yrs total. Great Deal for him. Tommy had one charge of 5 gms and got 15 yrs. That shows me they believe he is guilty of kge or the act itself.

What are misty and ron going to get? They have lots of charges, even more than Jerome..it's getting close to the time we will all know what the State thinks.

 

[doobiedoo52]

I just can't get past the fact that Misty has NEVER put herself at the bus stop to pick up Haleigh on that Monday. I still think that Mr S was mistaken and that it was Chelsea. Chelsea had the van, Chelsea says the last time she saw Haleigh she climbed in her dad's car and waved at her, and when I look at that picture of Misty and Joe hanging up posters, I see a real resemblance from the side view and the ponytail between Misty & Chelsea's faces. Also, that van went in the opposite direction from the MH. Chelsea would be heading towards the highway and back to Crescent City that way after picking up Austin. I really think she was babysitting Lindsy's kids while Lindsy went to school. Lindsy was probably with her carpool driver when they stopped. The kids' stuff was all back in Crescent City so she would be heading back there to wait for Lindsy to come pick them up. This is the only way I can see for everyone's claims to be right--other than a case of mistaken identity by Mr S. Take a glance at that picture of Joe & Misty again and see what you think.

 

[lonetraveler]

I just can't get past the fact that Misty has NEVER put herself at the bus stop to pick up Haleigh on that Monday. I still think that Mr S was mistaken and that it was Chelsea. Chelsea had the van, Chelsea says the last time she saw Haleigh she climbed in her dad's car and waved at her, and when I look at that picture of Misty and Joe hanging up posters, I see a real resemblance from the side view and the ponytail between Misty & Chelsea's faces. Also, that van went in the opposite direction from the MH. Chelsea would be heading towards the highway and back to Crescent City that way after picking up Austin. I really think she was babysitting Lindsy's kids while Lindsy went to school. Lindsy was probably with her carpool driver when they stopped. The kids' stuff was all back in Crescent City so she would be heading back there to wait for Lindsy to come pick them up. This is the only way I can see for everyone's claims to be right--other than a case of mistaken identity by Mr S. Take a glance at that picture of Joe & Misty again and see what you think.

How far along was Chelsea's pregnancy at the time the fliers were put on the storefront? I think with her arms up to tape the fliers that a pregnant woman would be easy to identify from Misty.

 

[lonetraveler]

Within a few weeks or less, we should have some answers. If not, it may be years before we know. If everyone says JO did it and there is no evidence to back the story up, I don't see how it can be solved with him as the perp.

Ron drives me nuts, he is crazy like a fox.

We will all see what misty is up to soon. Pretty obvious, that LE believes Tommy is involved up to his eyeballs. I just checked Jerom's record, oh Lordy. He has served half of his life in prison. He has at least seven prison terms. This last time he pleaded out on three drug trafficking charges of 14-28gms. (fifteen yrs minimums). He got 15 yrs total. Great Deal for him. Tommy had one charge of 5 gms and got 15 yrs. That shows me they believe he is guilty of kge or the act itself.

What are misty and ron going to get? They have lots of charges, even more than Jerome..it's getting close to the time we will all know what the State thinks.

LOL, you are right. There is a lot of disparity in the "usual" sentencing for the grams of drugs, or there is a lot of disparity in the discretion of the judge on what he decides to give as sentencing. Fifteen seems to be the magical number. I guess it comes down to "who" you know.

 

[lonetraveler]

Ron to me sounded impaired. Drugged or drunk on the 911 call and the first video's of him were no better. JMO

Yep, in the earlier videos it is difficult to figure out if Ron is holding onto Misty to keep her from having the opportunity to talk to someone or if he is holding onto her to keep from falling on his face.

 

[lonetraveler]

IMO, Ron never acted as if he even suspected JO. Even with the Croslins putting little tidbits of info out that JO stole the van or was acting weird, or had a violent history, etc., Ron did not appear to suspect him. Ron acted guilty of something, IMO, and his behavior from the get-go is why I cannot let go of him or his clan being involved somehow.

Yep, Ron made a few comments that "Cousin Joe" was not at his MH that night. That there was "no fight over no gun". Ron sounded as if he was actually giving an alibi for Joe in the beginning of the case.

 

[dodie20]

PBG...I like reading your posts, they are logical and you put forth a convincing arguement.. What would be the reasons for ron and misty both lying before Haleigh has even disappeared? There is a conflict about the day, starting at 7:00am, when it was time to get Haleigh to school.

One would think they would get the story straight. Ron tells Cobra he took Haleigh to the bus stop; misty tells Hart, she walked Haleigh into the classroom. At many turns in this story, ron is conflicting fact that have been told. After hearing there was a fight between him and JO, rc denies it; then tells Cobra all the sorded details of how rc had threatened him with mutilation for stealing his gun. We have the beds, etc, etc.

Misty was sleeping with the kids; rc agrees; tn changes it; rc changes it and then misty changes it. Then rc tells Miller misty was never in the bed that night...WTH?

RC and Misty are very immature and the gmas should have stepped up and never let them have those kids but that is water over the bridge now. I am of the opinion that both ron and misty suffer from mental illness and have personality disorders on top of it. I think they both use alcohol and drugs to reduce their overactive racing minds. Many perps have committed horrendous crimes on children under the influence of alcohol. In fact, I can't think of a case of an inmate I had ever seen where alcohol wasn't involved when the victim was a child. That was a time ago; maybe times have changed but I doubt it.

You're right about the lieing. The best plan would've been to tell the truth, up until Ron went to work, & then made up a little story about eating, sleeping, & waking up. even if they were buying/selling drugs before work. I don't get the lieing, except it was obviously done to hide something. & Ron is in on all of those lies. His lies don't stop, until he went to work, but even then, his input is still there. We can think, 'you weren't there, so shut up', but really, his input was huge, & never stopped. He had an answer for things, that he should've known absolutely nothing about. like...the doors being locked, where the beds were, where they all slept, Haleigh not wandering, Haleigh wearing her shoes, Misty being home all night, who was or was not not visiting, the man in black not being there...among other things. this stuff really makes you question Ron's motives, doesn't it?

 

[lonetraveler]

On a recent interview, GMA says she and misty DID take the clothes inside!!

She also said she changed the kids shirts...this bugs the heck out of me. Since she changed their shirts, why don't we know what haleigh was wearing? It was darn close to the time misty claimed to put Haleigh to bed. Wanna bet (if true) that she was put to bed with that particular shirt on. No evidence or statement that misty bathed the children. She went wherever wearing the same clothes she wore to school with possibly a clean newly laundered top from GMA who saw a dirty one on Haleigh when she arrived.

Why the problem with what Haleigh was wearing when she was removed from the house? At first, people were saying the perp changed Haleigh before they abducted her, well, GMA changed the top by her own admission. What happened after that change is where everything goes awry. LE says this is where the timeline starts. I want to know the description of the shirt GMA put on Haleigh.

Whisp, do you have the interview link handy where GMA was talking about the shirts? I wanted to refresh my memory (I have to do that often now, LOL). IIRC, GMA said that she put shirts on them, not changed shirts. I interpreted this to mean that she was a bit pizzzed that the children were outside eating in the cold and put shirts over what they were already wearing due to the chill in the air. I know, I know, I have an overactive imagination but I remember "put shirts on" instead of "change the shirts". Thanks in advance. I agree, the shirt issue is very critical to this case. And of course, I'm still wondering what the special outfit was and where it is that was so important that Ron drove over to GMA's house that morning before school. We have not seen, or at least I haven't seen or heard of any description of that "special outfit". Unfortunately, I'm thinking that Haleigh was laid to rest in that "special outfit" because it was her favorite.

 

[dodie20]

Within a few weeks or less, we should have some answers. If not, it may be years before we know. If everyone says JO did it and there is no evidence to back the story up, I don't see how it can be solved with him as the perp.

Ron drives me nuts, he is crazy like a fox.

We will all see what misty is up to soon. Pretty obvious, that LE believes Tommy is involved up to his eyeballs. I just checked Jerom's record, oh Lordy. He has served half of his life in prison. He has at least seven prison terms. This last time he pleaded out on three drug trafficking charges of 14-28gms. (fifteen yrs minimums). He got 15 yrs total. Great Deal for him. Tommy had one charge of 5 gms and got 15 yrs. That shows me they believe he is guilty of kge or the act itself.

What are misty and ron going to get? They have lots of charges, even more than Jerome..it's getting close to the time we will all know what the State thinks.

Thanks for this post. Ya know, there are times when I think Tommy is the perp, because a lot of signs, seem to lead down that path. but, then I try to figure out how Ron's behavior, fits into that theory, & well, logically, it just doesn't fit. Ron would not protect Tommy. The only thing that even kind of fits, is that Ron figured Tommy out, but kept quiet about it, for his own reasons. what could be more important than finding his daughter's body, & seeking justice for her? Did he just not care? maybe, that's the real answer. What's done is done, what's gone is gone...time to party.

 

[doobiedoo52]

How far along was Chelsea's pregnancy at the time the fliers were put on the storefront? I think with her arms up to tape the fliers that a pregnant woman would be easy to identify from Misty.

She was about 4 mo along, but remember she was sitting in a van--that wouldn't be noticeable. I'm talking about the facial side view only. Maybe it's just me, but when I looked at that picture, I looked twice--wasn't sure it looked like Misty at first

 

[doobiedoo52]

Whisp, do you have the interview link handy where GMA was talking about the shirts? I wanted to refresh my memory (I have to do that often now, LOL). IIRC, GMA said that she put shirts on them, not changed shirts. I interpreted this to mean that she was a bit pizzzed that the children were outside eating in the cold and put shirts over what they were already wearing due to the chill in the air. I know, I know, I have an overactive imagination but I remember "put shirts on" instead of "change the shirts". Thanks in advance. I agree, the shirt issue is very critical to this case. And of course, I'm still wondering what the special outfit was and where it is that was so important that Ron drove over to GMA's house that morning before school. We have not seen, or at least I haven't seen or heard of any description of that "special outfit". Unfortunately, I'm thinking that Haleigh was laid to rest in that "special outfit" because it was her favorite.

Put shirts on them is exactly the way I heard it too, Lone.

 

[doobiedoo52]

I found this from Nancy Grace transcripts: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

ANNETTE SYKES, HALEIGH`S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: I stopped by about 7:30 to drop off some laundry that I had done. I always did the children`s laundry just because it`s something I`ve always done. And the children were on the front porch with Misty. They were eating supper. And when we drove up, Haleigh jumped out of her chair and come running up and gave me a hug. And Junior came out and gave me a hug, and I gave them a kiss. And Misty walked out. She helped carry some of the clothes into the house and got the children`s shirts on, and they got back up to eat supper. I gave them a kiss, told them good-bye, and I got back in the car and left.

 

[Crosby87]

This has likely been discussed but if HaLeigh died after being hit by either Ron or Misty, why wouldn't they report her death to authorities and simply cover up the role they played in her death? If HaLeigh got in the middle of a physical fight between Ron and Misty, why wouldn't they use an excuse like "HaLeigh was jumping on the couch and fell and hit her head and she seemed okay, but later she died" or "HaLeigh fell off her bike and hit her head and was doing okay but later she died from internal head injuries" to exonerate themselves? If this was how and why HaLeigh died, I can see why Ron and Misty would want to cover up the truth and protect each other. Even if HaLeigh got caught in a physical altercation between Ron and Misty, unless her death was intentional, they don't have to fear reporting her death. Because it didn't happen this way, I don't think Ron and Misty were both in on what happened to HaLeigh and she did not die accidently from a blow by either Ron and Misty.

If HaLeigh died from an accidential drug overdose, why wouldn't Ron and Misty cover up the truth and simply say HaLeigh got into Misty's prescribed drug bottle when she was unattended?