General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[krkrjx]

The more important question is "Who told Lisa about the couch?" Lisa should be able to piece things together with what she has..

Whisp, when Lisa told Tommy she heard he and Misty were on the the couch, it sounded to me like she didn't believe or didn't want to believe what she had heard. To me, it sounded like Lisa wanting to hear Tommy say that it wasn't true. Tommy stifling her in mid-sentence the way he did makes me think that whatever it was, it's true.

 

[krkrjx]

:back:

I want this a/c guy to come forward. Why does he have to be secreted away?
I know ron likes him and mentions him, so there must be a darn good reason if rc speaks his name.

It seems like posters bring him up a lot too. Let's see this guy. Who is he? Didn't misty say during the LVA he was a relative of ron's?

I think Misty said a relative of Ron's worked or had worked at the AC place. The AC man being a relative grew out of that, IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

We heard there was a big fight on Tyler on Sunday night that wound up in the streets. This was said by a local and reported. LE didn't give any infor out to the person, just took report. Dollars to Donuts, rc was involved. Hank was in the hospital at this time and as far as we know, he hadn't moved in with tommy yet. Hank is released from hospital on Feb 11(per document). To my kge, he never returned to Magnolia after his discharge from the hospital. Were he and timmy moving his stuff out of Magnolia on the 7th when they got in the crash? Was Haleigh taken to Magnolia from Green Lane by any of the three. Was that house thoroughly checked on Feb 10? Magnolia and Smith Lane should have been checked on that day.

Some of the reports about Ron being in a fight over a gun are claiming that this fight happened the day before Haleigh disappeared. You would think that this story would have been proven or discredited by this time. :banghead:

 

[dodie20]

The more important question is "Who told Lisa about the couch?" Lisa should be able to piece things together with what she has..

GMaw Flo, I betcha, & I bet Chelsea told her, & she was either there, or Timmy or Joe told her. Didn't the cops take that couch? & Jr said it was bouncing, so the couch does keep coming up. I've wondered what could motivate Tommy to lie, to the point he has, (if they are lies), & the only thing I can come up with is that Misty has something so bad on him, that it would essentially, ruin his life. & from past experience, we've seen that Misty can pretty much say anything, without batting an eye. She's one of those people who can 'go there', & does. So, I can see how Tommy would be scared of her mouth.

 

[doobiedoo52]

I admit to still being bothered by the phone conversation where Lisa started saying to Tommy that she had heard that he and Misty were on the couch...and at that point Tommy effectively stops her from saying another word.

I do not like to let my imagination run wild but I cannot shake the thought that Lisa was totally oblivious to the importance of what she was about to say, but Tommy knew exactly what she was about to say and did not want it said on a recorded conversation.

WTH?

Can someone tell me where this conversation about the couch was? I have listened to them all and I read the one where Ronald & Misty were on the couch but can't find one about Tommy & Misty.

 

[Whisperer]

Can someone tell me where this conversation about the couch was? I have listened to them all and I read the one where Ronald & Misty were on the couch but can't find one about Tommy & Misty.

It was on a jail tape. tommy was talking to his mom and dad. Lisa and Hank were very upset on this call.

 

[krkrjx]

It was on a jail tape. tommy was talking to his mom and dad. Lisa and Hank were very upset on this call.

It was in the most recent tape release but that has been awhile. The conversation was after the Shell Harbor search but before Tommy pleaded out. It was around the time Tommy was talking to Hank about having done what he had to do (which I took to as admission that he had lied about Joe because he thought it was what LE wanted to hear).

 

[Searchfortruth]

I can't come up with anything new here. I keep going over the same thoughts, the ones in jail (Misty, Ron and Tommy) all know what happened and drugs are the ties that bind these people (that and the circumstances surrounding Haleigh's death). Not one of them would cover, this long, for the other if they were not involved.

I still think drugs were involved in Haleigh's death...Ron's drugs, in Ron's house. It's the only thing (I can think of) that would bond this group in silence this long. Maybe Tommy did help dispose of the body and that sealed his involvement and silence.

As for Joe, if he did have dirt on the others (knew what happened that night), why would they want to point the finger at him ?

 

[Crosby87]

In the Video titled, Missing HaLeigh Cummings - Neighbor heard Noises, the man who lived a few feet from HaLeigh’s home told a reporter two weeks after HaLeigh disappeared that the night HaLeigh disappeared he was woken up from a deep sleep and there was a lot of noise out back and stuff in this very quiet neighborhood. When he went outside he learned his next door neighbor’s little girl had disappeared. Mr. P said, “It is surprising more than anything because he can’t imagine anybody moving through the neighborhood without anyone hearing it and obviously somebody did. And it is a little creepy to have people with bad intentions running through the neighborhood." If it is true a woman screamed at 2:30 pm before 911 was called and LE arrived, why didn’t Mr. P, who lives right next door hear it? A woman's screaming at 2;30 am suggests Misty was involved in HaLeigh's disappearance, whereas Mr P's statement collaborates Misty's story that she was sleeping when HaLeigh disappeared and the rukus started when Ron came home and Misty called 911. Mr P said after he was woken up, he went outside and learned HaLeigh was gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&NR=1

 

[Chablis]

Tommy's sitting in jail for drug trafficking, I don't think saying they were smoking would be a problem. He was way to curt with that cutoff. That couch was very sensitive to him and I don't think it was because he was smoking pot.

Does anyone recall tommy's myspace from the beginning? All the falling marijuana leaves and other stuff on it really blew me away; I had forgotten about it till just now. The page is gone so unless everyone remembers, nothing can be linked.

I just wasn't shocked Tommy would pick a myspace theme that had falling pot leafs, I think he was primarily a pot smoker, until Misty hooked up with her pseudo pharmacist boyfriend Ronald, who is known to give pills to Hank Sr. I think Tommys silence was bought with the pills he ended up addicted to that got him in trouble, and he was paid off by Ronald. The whole Croslin family hadn't been in trouble with pills untill Misty hooked up with Ron, as far as I can tell.

 

[Skully]

Way back in the beginning I thought I knew what happened, but now, not so sure. I can't believe this isn't solved and over yet. I understand Tommy not wanting to say that he went to that trailer that night, putting yourself at the crime scene is bad, but saying he was at the dock was worse. I will never understand how the Cumming's rallied around Misty and Ron married her. Never. So I pray that one day when they are all sitting in jail, someone will get a conscience and tell what happened to give her Mother some closure and some peace. Is 15 years enough for any one who did this to a child? No. I guess it has to be for now.

 

[suspicious1]

You're right about the lieing. The best plan would've been to tell the truth, up until Ron went to work, & then made up a little story about eating, sleeping, & waking up. even if they were buying/selling drugs before work. I don't get the lieing, except it was obviously done to hide something. & Ron is in on all of those lies. His lies don't stop, until he went to work, but even then, his input is still there. We can think, 'you weren't there, so shut up', but really, his input was huge, & never stopped. He had an answer for things, that he should've known absolutely nothing about. like...the doors being locked, where the beds were, where they all slept, Haleigh not wandering, Haleigh wearing her shoes, Misty being home all night, who was or was not not visiting, the man in black not being there...among other things. this stuff really makes you question Ron's motives, doesn't it?

BBm

Dodie, this post made me think...why would there be a need to lie about the events that took place Feb. 9th starting in the early morning? This is what I think, fwiw........
I think Haleigh and Junior were not at the mh Sunday night. Whoever had those kids Sunday night, had them Monday morning. Teresa lies start Sunday night, claiming Misty and Ron were together and up all night talking. IMO, the plan was to make sure that Misty was placed with Ron starting Sunday night...why? Whoever had those kids Sunday night does NOT want to be apart of this equation...why? Since the plan was to involve Misty beginning Sunday night, it would only make sense for them to fabricate a story that involved Misty beginning the morning of Feb 9th too. Misty says she walked Haleigh into her classroom after driving to Welaka for that favorite outfit that Haleigh wanted to wear so desperately....Ron says he dropped Haleigh off at the bus stop.....the neighbor says Ron drove past the bus stop. IMO, Ron was on his way to pick up Haleigh wherever she was....:waitasec:
Ron and Misty do not have their lies together at this point. IMO, someone told Misty to say that she walked Haleigh into her classroom (remember someone was still trying to show Misty as a loving caregiver for those children). IMO, Ron was thinking more clearly and just chose to say that he dropped Haleigh off at the bus stop, because in his mind, whether Misty walked Haleigh to her classroom or not, could be verified. Ron didn't want that, because he knew it was a lie, so to clean that lie up.....he created his own....and claimed that he dropped her off. IMO, which is also a lie. IMO, Ron did drive past the bus stop that morning. Misty couldn't tell the truth about what she did Monday morning because IMO it would be revealed that she was not with Ron or those kids. IIRC, didn't GMSykes mention Misty getting there to the mh, right before Ron left for work? Why would she say that if the story all along was that Misty had been with Ron and them kids all day?
So my question is: Why haven't we heard about where those kids were over the weekend, particularly Sunday night? Maybe LE knows?:waitasec: If they don't, IMO, someone does not want to be placed with Haleigh Sunday night. Why? Which also makes me think that whoever had her Sunday night, had her sometime Monday as well. We know that Teresa called and asked Misty to babysit and even offered to pay her. IMO, whenever this call was made to Misty...something was already going on with Haleigh. What grandmother is so desperate to get rid of the kids that she'll pay the underaged, drugged out, girls gone wild, girlfriend of the kids father after being kicked out of his home just days earlier? It doesn't make sense to me.

This is all JMO of course

 

[Crosby87]

Way back in the beginning I thought I knew what happened, but now, not so sure. I can't believe this isn't solved and over yet. I understand Tommy not wanting to say that he went to that trailer that night, putting yourself at the crime scene is bad, but saying he was at the dock was worse. I will never understand how the Cumming's rallied around Misty and Ron married her. Never. So I pray that one day when they are all sitting in jail, someone will get a conscience and tell what happened to give her Mother some closure and some peace. Is 15 years enough for any one who did this to a child? No. I guess it has to be for now.

If the Cummings are certain Misty isn’t responsible for HaLeigh’s disappearance, that could explain why they rallied around her. Besides, they didn’t want the responsibility of caring for Ron’s children according to Misty and the children loved Misty. Ron struck out with Crystal and Amber due to domestic violence, so why wouldn’t they welcome Misty into the family if she was willing to put up with him? I don’t have the video handy where Misty tells her dad she tried to leave Ron on numerous occasions and TN and AS sent HaLeigh to her house to coerce her into coming back. We heard Misty say HaLeigh wanted Ron and Misty to marry so Misty could be their stepmom, so this could explain why Ron asked Misty to marry him and Misty was willing to put her feelings aside and agreed to marry him despite what he was putting her through.

 

[krkrjx]

If the Cummings are certain Misty isn’t responsible for HaLeigh’s disappearance, that could explain why they rallied around her. Besides, they didn’t want the responsibility of caring for Ron’s children according to Misty and the children loved Misty. Ron struck out with Crystal and Amber due to domestic violence, so why wouldn’t they welcome Misty into the family if she was willing to put up with him? I don’t have the video handy where Misty tells her dad she tried to leave Ron on numerous occasions and TN and AS sent HaLeigh to her house to coerce her into coming back. We heard Misty say HaLeigh wanted Ron and Misty to marry so Misty could be their stepmom, so this could explain why Ron asked Misty to marry him and Misty was willing to put her feelings aside and agreed to marry him despite what he was putting her through.

MOO is that Ron married Misty because he had to. She was underage, but it had never been an issue until Haleigh disappeared and their lifestyle was under scrutiny. I do not think Ron was a happy groom; in the wedding photos everyone is smiling, Misty is beaming, but Ron looks as if he has just sold his soul to the devil. He did not want to be at his own wedding, IMO.

As far as Ron marrying because it was what the kids wanted, I can't see it. I don't think Ron ever really cared what the kids wanted. Ron was all about Ron; he did what he wanted no matter who got hurt in the process, including his children.

I agree the kids probably loved Misty. Why wouldn't they? She was one of them.

 

[suspicious1]

I don't think it would be something they would tell their mama and there is nothing that says they did tell her. Lisa said she heard it; she said to Tommy... that she heard he and Misty were on the couch...

Personally I don't believe it either, but even if Haleigh might not be credible to some people, Ron might have believed her. Or at least T and M thought he might.

But it could be something as simple as Tommy did not want it brought to light that he had even been in the MH on the couch that night, even if he was just sitting there.


JMO

Or what if Lisa was about to say something about Misty and Tommy sitting on the couch when Ron called looking for Misty? It seems to be a little confusion as to WHY Ron called Tommy that evening of Feb 9th. Tommy supposedly showed up at the mh almost an hour later. Maybe if Lisa told that story for the world to hear, it would reveal that Ron called Tommy to help with the clean up.

There are just too many possibilities but I agree that whatever it was would be crucial to this investigation.

JMO of course

 

[Snowbunny]

Every time Misty was interviewed about Haleigh going missing she would stop roll her eyes and have to think about what she was suppose to say. You can't tell me she wasn't scripted. Any other conversation she had she didn't have to stop and think about what she was going to say. She would be very blunt in her conversation then and very as a matter of fact, but not when it come to telling the story of what happened to Haleigh. She always had to begin the story at the same place, just like she had to remember how it went. It is obvious that she was told what to say period.

 

[krkrjx]

Or what if Lisa was about to say something about Misty and Tommy sitting on the couch when Ron called looking for Misty? It seems to be a little confusion as to WHY Ron called Tommy that evening of Feb 9th. Tommy supposedly showed up at the mh almost an hour later. Maybe if Lisa told that story for the world to hear, it would reveal that Ron called Tommy to help with the clean up.

There are just too many possibilities but I agree that whatever it was would be crucial to this investigation.

JMO of course

Yep, Tommy did not want Lisa to continue because he knew exactly what she was talking about and he didn't want the info out. It was imperative to him that the words not be spoken because he knew that once it was out, even if he denied it, it would still be open to speculation.

I doubt it was something minor such as they smoked pot or that Tommy had been at the MH earlier in the evening--people were already thinking that was the case. I think Tommy stifled Lisa because she was about to ask him about something he did not want known EVER, or she was about to place Tommy inside the MH during the critical time period (after 7 PM).

JMO.

 

[Whisperer]

Yep, Tommy did not want Lisa to continue because he knew exactly what she was talking about and he didn't want the info out. It was imperative to him that the words not be spoken because he knew that once it was out, even if he denied it, it would still be open to speculation.

I doubt it was something minor such as they smoked pot or that Tommy had been at the MH earlier in the evening--people were already thinking that was the case. I think Tommy stifled Lisa because she was about to ask him about something he did not want known EVER, or she was about to place Tommy inside the MH during the critical time period (after 7 PM).

JMO.

Were misty and tommy on the couch when JO showed up? Don't you get the impression that some kind of action/movement/incident:waitasec: was taking place when they were on the couch?

 

[Whisperer]

In the Video titled, Missing HaLeigh Cummings - Neighbor heard Noises, the man who lived a few feet from HaLeigh’s home told a reporter two weeks after HaLeigh disappeared that the night HaLeigh disappeared he was woken up from a deep sleep and there was a lot of noise out back and stuff in this very quiet neighborhood. When he went outside he learned his next door neighbor’s little girl had disappeared. Mr. P said, “It is surprising more than anything because he can’t imagine anybody moving through the neighborhood without anyone hearing it and obviously somebody did. And it is a little creepy to have people with bad intentions running through the neighborhood." If it is true a woman screamed at 2:30 pm before 911 was called and LE arrived, why didn’t Mr. P, who lives right next door hear it? A woman's screaming at 2;30 am suggests Misty was involved in HaLeigh's disappearance, whereas Mr P's statement collaborates Misty's story that she was sleeping when HaLeigh disappeared and the rukus started when Ron came home and Misty called 911. Mr P said after he was woken up, he went outside and learned HaLeigh was gone.

His wife that said she saw and heard Misty crying, walking outside and talking on the phone...around 3:00am....before LE arrived.

http://www.ocala.com/article/201002...tsuma-residents-say-Haleigh-case-changed-area

 

[Whisperer]

Who was misty talking to when Judith P saw her? Misty was very upset though. Was it because ron would be home soon? Did she just find out Haleigh was gone? Something else?

Put together the loud car heard around 1:30 and driving at high speed around 2:30, was Haleigh taken then or just discovered at that time?