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Here is a question I have asked others...regarding this case..of their opinions..and have gotten very different answers to ...this question..

What evidence do you think the LE has...that...has changed this case from a missing person..to a Homicide of Haleigh..???

I believe this term ....homicide...means different things.... to different folks.....

IMO...Homicide..means...a death occured to an individual..(not a natural death) that was caused by the action of another individual...like strangling, knife attack, gunshot, etc.....some bodily harm that results in death.

So, I am wondering what evidence the LE have...that bring them to this conclusion..that Haleigh's death is a homicide..

Any suggestions??? thanks....

It could be something as simple as Tommy getting a question as true about if Haleigh is dead or alive. His answer may have backed up a true answer given by Misty about the same question about Haleigh being dead or alive.
 
It could be something as simple as Tommy getting a question as true about if Haleigh is dead or alive. His answer may have backed up a true answer given by Misty about the same question about Haleigh being dead or alive.


thanks lone...for your opinion...

It very well ...could have been,....just that simple...

I want this case to move forward........It HAS TO!!!!.........
 
I've been thinking...why would Ron have denied the gun fight? Because he knows that that fight is what led to Haleigh being murdered. & why wouldn't he want her murderer caught? He's NOW claiming that Misty has the answers? Oh really? well, why didn't he go after those answers, while they were married, since she was the enemy he felt the need to keep close. I'm sorry, but that NY pict & his screaming at Hank, make him look really, really guilty, IMO. such a false ring to it. WTH has he learned, from behind bars, that has changed his tune on Misty? He was so supportive of her, even after TN called her a witch, but he now wants...what done to her? What did she supposedly do to Haleigh? Ron's a smart guy. Even his mom says so, lol, & there's no way he doesn't know what happened. So, did he agree to cover for Misty, with the stipulation that he wouldn' go down with her? once the jig was up, it was every man for himself? Actually, Art's story threw me for a loop, & it has me going back to day 1.
 
Didn't I just read that someone had found the link to the neighbor that heard screams? Was that you Emeralgem? I would love to find that link. What time were those screams reported, what time were they heard? Was this Misty coming to the MH and discovering the crime scene.


That's exactly what I think happened. If I remember right the link said tha the screams were heard about 2:30, awhile after a vehicle had been noticed sitting by the dumpster about 30 minutes (?). That she was out of the trailer, came back, and found Haleigh deceased out on the trail where dogs led or even missing with something perhaps on that blanket that no one ever mentions now. She seemed to suspect a sexual crime, but wasn't sure if it was Joe or Tommy, because the man was dressed all in black like Jr. says. Her family really must have manipulated her growing up.
 
I brought this over from the other thread, I dont know if it should be deleted in the other thread or not.

I'm just throwing it out there because its something that bothers me....... What if Ron did rip off the drug dealer (early rumor) and possably stole guns. Dude thinks Tommy had done it or could get the guns back and threatens Tommy. Tommy and Joe go to steal the gun back from Ron, Tommy can't find the gun, dudes had followed Tommy there. They take Haleigh when they can't find the gun, and tell Misty and Tommy that Ron had better pay X amount of money if he wants his kid back..... Ron comes home Misty tells what happens, thats where the "you let them take my daughter statement comes from. They have to go to court the next day, which means they will get the money and Ron can get Haleigh back, but the court date never happens, Ron and Misty panicked and got LE brought into it and they where scared to tell the truth, cause thier involvement includes drugs and theft, so they go along with the kidnapping story, and tell dudes that they will get the money.. Thats where the rumors come from about Ron needing money to get Haleigh back, but he couldn't borrow the money from anyone... The people do whatever with Haleigh, Tommy was going to go to LE and confess all but Ron puts the rat in the mail box as a reminder not to be a rat that they will handle this they dont need LE. If this senerio is true than I don't think anyone really knows where Haleigh is now... Maybe its people that Joe knew and came down to visit with and Joe intaduced them to the Ron and Ron under estimated them.
Now they are all up to their necks and they have been threatened not to say anything or Junior or Tommy's kids would be next.......

This has never been my theory but thinking back on all the things I really didn't pay much attention to has now gotten me back on the fence. What if Misty doesn't know where Haleigh is and Ron is only indirectly involved because of his criminal background.... I dont know anymore just reaching here for anything. I am getting very discouraged now.
 
Here is my problem with drug dealers stealing Haleigh....they would not want the attention a missing child brings. The might kill someone because it can be done quickly without a lot of attention and risk of getting caught. Killing someone is quick and easy. But a missing child brings too much attention both LE and media.

So even if there was a remote possibility of that story being true, the minute it made the news, they would have desposed of Haleigh in a way that she would have been found. Yes, found. Because Haleigh's body would be the only way to get all the media and missing children's groups, etc. to go away. Sure Ron and Misty could have changed their story after. But mostly, if they changed their story after she was found, it would make them look even more guilty.
 
This is a theory on Misty being guilty, & how the after effects spiraled out of control. Misty, exausted & not wanting to babysit, is home with the kids. She can't control Haleigh, so she calls Ron, they argue, he tells her to spank her, she says something to the effect of, 'I'm gonna beat her to death', & then proceeds to beat her. Afterwards, appalled & freaking, she turns off the phone. She then gets Timmy & Tommy to help...but is Haleigh dead or just horribly injured? They then dispose of her. Ron, gets home, finds Haleigh 'stole', but knows better, so he sends Misty packing to her mom's. He sees her on the news, sees that she is distraught & suffering, so realizing that Misty is just a kid, he doesn't want to see her in that kind of trouble, with only her mom to look out for her. & also, he knows that he's to blame too. & thinking about all of the trouble he, himself is gonna get into, & thinking about Jr...he retrieves Misty. Maybe he never sat her down & said, 'I'm gonna cover for you', but it was understood. He'd cover for her & she'd cover for him...so she could keep her freedom & he could keep Jr. He warns her about Donna Brock, she wans him about Cobra. They're in on this together. They get arrested. While in court, Misty mouths 'I love you', but he ignores her...so she knows she's on her own. & he cops a plea & she's on suicide watch. hmmm, I just don't know how I feel about this one, but I must admit, it feels logical & simple.
 
Dobie, I respect your opinion but I do not agree, in order to agree with that scenerio I would have to beleive that Ron has the capacity to care about someone but himself, and I just dont see Ron that way he is a predator through and through... IMO
 
Dobie, I respect your opinion but I do not agree, in order to agree with that scenerio I would have to beleive that Ron has the capacity to care about someone but himself, and I just dont see Ron that way he is a predator through and through... IMO
I'm not sure I'm buying it either, but you could take out the caring part, & have him motivated by custody of Jr & his gun drug activity etc...
 
TIA to anyone to fill me in on the Ron screaming at Tommy scenario? I may already know it but am drawing a blank so to any kind soul that'd be willing to refresh my memory. TIA
 
Ok ya'll, I've been thinking about a few things today:

Here is what I think is going on in this case overall:

I believe that we are looking at a 4 part crime and this is what I mean....
1. I believe that there is one murderer-whether it be someone who gave Haleigh drugs, shot her, raped and strangled her, hit her in the head with a board (I hated typing that), there is only one person who is responsible. This person would have the most to lose in this whole situation.

2. But then we have the clean-up/disposal....I believe that there's several people involved in this part of the crime, not many, maybe 2 or 3...these were the ones that helped dispose of Haleigh's body (wrapping her in a blanket, putting her in trash bag or whatever), and took Haleigh somewhere else....it is my opinion that this part of the crime was the most gruesome task of all.

3. Then there's the Disposal/Burial-this was, to say the least, Haleigh's proper Good Bye. In this part of the crime I think there is at least 2 people involved. I think this is where Haleigh is eventually laid to rest whether it be the river, underground, or wherever. IMO, this part was to honor Haleigh and say good bye. This is a place where Haleigh can be visited on occassion, IMO.

4. Then here's comes the overall cover-up- in this part of the crime, a plan is devised that is to be played out in front of the world (or at least LE)....like who would play the main role (and ultimately become the "key"), the 911 call, staging of the mh, removing any drugs, the marriage, the divorce....

IMO, that's why this case has not been solved...there's too many parts to uncover and too many people involved in the whole scheme of things. You would have to play the game of process of elimination in all parts of this crime.

Who is the main one responsible? IMO, I would have to say Misty, Ron, Teresa, or GMSykes. Misty because she has placed herself as the last one to be with Haleigh and has failed many LDT's. Ron because his suspicious behavior before, during and after Haleigh "disappeared" just did not (to me) add up to him being a grieving father. Teresa because she has been a central figure in this case from the start (in her LE jacket, picture and all), and had her share of suspicious behavior. GMSykes because she puts herself at the mh on the evening something happened to Haleigh and admits to changing Haleigh's shirt, although we could never get a clear description of what Haleigh had on. These are the 4 people I put into this category.

Who did the clean-up/disposal? I believe that this is where Tommy comes into play. I don't think Tommy would've or could've completed this task all by himself. Those that were more than likely to help Tommy would be JO, Misty, or Timmy. I just don't think Jo had anything to do with it because it just seem too convenient to point the finger at him...and Timmy moved away pretty fast to me (which was suspect)and the blue van was in his possession.... and I believe Misty was the reason for Tommy even agreeing to go along with any of it. So, IMO, that leaves Timmy and Misty.

One thing that I am sure of is Tommy played a part. He and the others had the most gruesome task...preparing Haleigh to be taken away. and the only way either of them would participate in the clean-up/disposal is if one of them 3 actually killed Haleigh or they were led to believe that one of the 3 had killed her. Out of these 3, the only one on my who's responsible list is Misty. IMO, Tommy came to Misty's aid in this situation and only because he thought that she was responsible or would be held responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh. I think Tommy was given instructions as to where to take Haleigh. And I believe that the instruction came from Misty as she had been given the location by Ron (via phone)...I think Ron led Tommy to believe that they were all trying to help Misty out. which is why there was no clear answer as to what the call was about around 9pm. Problem is Tommy knows nothing factual about before and after the clean-up/disposal....Tommy could not tell his part of the crime because 1. he didn't know exactly how Haleigh died and where she ended up (her final resting spot), therefore knowing he could not lead LE to Haleigh's body even if he wanted to, and 2. If he told his part of the story about moving Haleigh's dead body somewhere else, he knew many other questions would follow that he had no answer for. like how did Haleigh die, where is she now? And that's exactly what happened after Tommy had his "godly moment" and told LE about the dock because is participation only included taking a dead Haleigh to the dock. And I believe that's why we also seen Misty at the dock...Tommy told LE Misty gave him the instruction to do so. I believe that's why the Croslins had to come up with with their own cover story for this part....hence, the JO story....Tommy starting throwing out all these stories in an attempt to explain his part of the crime. In his attempt he had to try and explain the who, what, when, why, how, and where. Now, I believe that Tommy knew first hand the what, when, and where: referring to his part in this, which is incriminating enough. He knew Haleigh had died, hours before the 911 call, and he was instructed to take Haleigh to the dock...but he does not know or was lied to about the who, why and how. That's why we heard about Jo, the gun, and Haleigh being taken because of the gun.
LE wanted the whole story from Tommy, something that he did not have, so he made up most of it..because he had already opened up to some involvement, KWIM? IMO, Tommy only knew what Misty had told him regarding the rest of the story....As time past, I think Tommy started to doubt whether Misty was the main one responsible and that she was possibly covering for Ron. Tommy stated this in a few of the jailhouse recordings. I also think when Tommy started to put it together...he received threats and a dead rat in his mailbox. I believe that not only had he began to figure some things out...so did Timmy and he took his family and left Satsuma. That's why Tommy said he felt his sister had him caught up in this mess. If you think about it....she did. That's why Tommy can't say for sure that Ron is the main one responsible. Would Tommy cover for Ron? Is a question I hear often on here....truth is IMO, Tommy thought he was in this for his sister not Ron....so him covering for his sister made him also seem to be covering for Ron. but I don't think that's the case. IMO, had Tommy known that all of this was because of Ron or any other Cummings, he would have NOT helped Misty in any way concerning Haleigh. So Tommy, Misty, Timmy, and Ron (via phone) is who I think is apart of this. Although, Misty and Ron are on my who's responsible list.

Who did the disposal/burial? IMO, this is where the Cummings clan take over. and I believe they retrieved Haleigh from the dock and buried her underground somewhere close to that area...I believe they kept Haleigh in this area simply because Tommy had already admitted to taken her there and being told to do so by Misty...so Misty also knew about the dock. It would still point the finger at Tommy and Misty, if Haleigh had been found there, KWIM? As far as the disposal/burial...IMO, that would be Teresa, GMSykes, and/or Ron. It was their attempt to honor Haleigh and give her a proper burial. If we consider Ron's alibi, he was at work...that leaves Teresa and GMSykes. I know some may be disgusted by this accusation but I really do believe this...why would they do this? Honestly I can see no other reason but to protect one of their own as being the one responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh...while showing their love to Haleigh...who would they protect? themselves or Ron....that leads me back to who's responsible and all three of them (Ron/Teresa/GMSykes) are on that list. But if we stick with Ron's alibi, that leaves only Teresa and GMSykes physically capable of the handling the disposal/buiral. And before some of you throw tomatoes, it is not too far fetched...when Misty warned them about the dock search...both of these ladies searched the woods for hours...so who's to say they had not done it before? If Haleigh was buried there, there is no doubt that Teresa would tell Ron where Haleigh is.
I don't think that Misty accompanied them to bury Haleigh...and that's why Misty can't lead LE to Haleigh's body either. If she could I think she would've done it long ago. But she can't and IMO, it was planned out that way.
Some of the people involved have limited information but there are a few who knows every detail...IMO, the spotlight has been put on the ones with limited information....including Misty and she's supposedly the "key".

Then we have the overall cover-up:
I believe there was a "round table" discussion(:waitasec:) as to who was going to say what once the police were brought in. What to say, what not to say, how to act, how not to act, and most importantly the sketchy details of what had transpired the whole day. Now as far as the coverup, some things Misty could not keep straight and often relied on Ron to save her by injecting details that he would have not possibly known if he was at work when it all occurred. like where everybody was sleeping. That tells me that Ron is included in this part of the crime also...Everyone had a story to tell and Ron had the most simple story "I was at work". because he was and LE could prove it. and that built up confidence in Ron...he felt untouchable...but the moment Ron would realize that Misty was not keeping the story straight, either he would straighten it out or remain silent. I didn't have a problem with him remaining silent, it was when he tried to straighten it out, that really bothered me. But what stood out to me is that some of the basic things that Misty should've known for sure if she was there, she did not know...like what Haleigh had on.. because of this I don't think Misty is the "one" responsible and that leaves Ron, GMSykes, Teresa.

Everyone that was involved in the first 3 parts, became part of the coverup. That would be Misty, Teresa, GMSykes, Ron, Tommy, and/or Timmy. Therefore, they could either remain silent and appear to be a non player in this, which I think Tommy and Timmy tried to do....or they could take over the spotlight at times to "deflect", whether it be defending/praising another key player, or screwing with the timeline in some way. Tommy tried to remain quiet but when the spotlight was put on him, he used it to "deflect". Teresa jumped in the spotlight quick...right out the gate..to "deflect"....who then pulled in GMSykes to help "deflect"....and IMO, when things got too hot, Teresa and GMSykes tried to remain silent...like after the drug bust. The Cummings did a "360" on Misty...so why the change of heart? IMO, they knew a few key players had been put in positions where it was "do or die" "talk or walk"....Ron, Misty, and Tommy. and that's why Teresa seems worried and asks Ron if he thinks Misty is going to talk....Ron's response (if completely innocent) should've been about how he hoped that she would talk
so that they could find Haleigh...but instead he warned Teresa that the phone call was being recorded. That told me they both knew why it would not be a good thing for Misty to talk. And they also knew it would not be good for Ron to talk so GMSykes warned him about the snitches in jail.

IMO, there is a cover-up inside of a cover-up, if that makes sense...and that's why LE was having a hard time solving this case. Problem is Tommy's cover up for his part, distorted the bigger picture...the part that included the Cummings. and that's why some people can't see it and don't want to see it. The part that Tommy played was the most gruesome and some people think that the bus stops there...but it doesn't..nor does it stop at Misty...IMO
Ron did not get his hands dirty but he had a hand in orchestrating the cover-up. I do believe this. And out of all the people involved the only real threat to him is Misty. Because she knows enough.

After the dock search....LE said there were multiple persons of interest and one of them was going to be a surprise to everyone. IMO, the surprise POI, is going to be someone who had injected themselves into this case as a supporter of some sort.....trying to appear forthcoming and truthful in the matter. The surprise POI is not going to be someone we have never heard about. IMO, it's going to be someone a part of this case, someone who has tried to appear as an innocent bystander and/or victim. It's not going to be someone who already been put into the spotlight as to having something to do with Haleigh's demise either....like JO.

IMO, the surprise is going to be either Teresa or GMSykes. Ron has received a plea deal for information that he has regarding Haleigh...and it was valuable enough for him to get a deal. So I'm thinking that he may not be "the one' responsible either but assisted in other parts of the tragedy.....so would Ron cover for?? No way would he cover for Misty, nor any of the Croslins....but he would cover for one of his own....Teresa or GMSykes.

I'm going to stop now...sorry for the long post...I hope it came out the way it was intended to. Goodnight all.
 
Ok ya'll, I've been thinking about a few things today:

Here is what I think is going on in this case overall:

I believe that we are looking at a 4 part crime and this is what I mean....
1. I believe that there is one murderer-whether it be someone who gave Haleigh drugs, shot her, raped and strangled her, hit her in the head with a board (I hated typing that), there is only one person who is responsible. This person would have the most to lose in this whole situation.

2. But then we have the clean-up/disposal....I believe that there's several people involved in this part of the crime, not many, maybe 2 or 3...these were the ones that helped dispose of Haleigh's body (wrapping her in a blanket, putting her in trash bag or whatever), and took Haleigh somewhere else....it is my opinion that this part of the crime was the most gruesome task of all.

3. Then there's the Disposal/Burial-this was, to say the least, Haleigh's proper Good Bye. In this part of the crime I think there is at least 2 people involved. I think this is where Haleigh is eventually laid to rest whether it be the river, underground, or wherever. IMO, this part was to honor Haleigh and say good bye. This is a place where Haleigh can be visited on occassion, IMO.

4. Then here's comes the overall cover-up- in this part of the crime, a plan is devised that is to be played out in front of the world (or at least LE)....like who would play the main role (and ultimately become the "key"), the 911 call, staging of the mh, removing any drugs, the marriage, the divorce....

IMO, that's why this case has not been solved...there's too many parts to uncover and too many people involved in the whole scheme of things. You would have to play the game of process of elimination in all parts of this crime.

Who is the main one responsible? IMO, I would have to say Misty, Ron, Teresa, or GMSykes. Misty because she has placed herself as the last one to be with Haleigh and has failed many LDT's. Ron because his suspicious behavior before, during and after Haleigh "disappeared" just did not (to me) add up to him being a grieving father. Teresa because she has been a central figure in this case from the start (in her LE jacket, picture and all), and had her share of suspicious behavior. GMSykes because she puts herself at the mh on the evening something happened to Haleigh and admits to changing Haleigh's shirt, although we could never get a clear description of what Haleigh had on. These are the 4 people I put into this category.

Who did the clean-up/disposal? I believe that this is where Tommy comes into play. I don't think Tommy would've or could've completed this task all by himself. Those that were more than likely to help Tommy would be JO, Misty, or Timmy. I just don't think Jo had anything to do with it because it just seem too convenient to point the finger at him...and Timmy moved away pretty fast to me (which was suspect)and the blue van was in his possession.... and I believe Misty was the reason for Tommy even agreeing to go along with any of it. So, IMO, that leaves Timmy and Misty.

One thing that I am sure of is Tommy played a part. He and the others had the most gruesome task...preparing Haleigh to be taken away. and the only way either of them would participate in the clean-up/disposal is if one of them 3 actually killed Haleigh or they were led to believe that one of the 3 had killed her. Out of these 3, the only one on my who's responsible list is Misty. IMO, Tommy came to Misty's aid in this situation and only because he thought that she was responsible or would be held responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh. I think Tommy was given instructions as to where to take Haleigh. And I believe that the instruction came from Misty as she had been given the location by Ron (via phone)...I think Ron led Tommy to believe that they were all trying to help Misty out. which is why there was no clear answer as to what the call was about around 9pm. Problem is Tommy knows nothing factual about before and after the clean-up/disposal....Tommy could not tell his part of the crime because 1. he didn't know exactly how Haleigh died and where she ended up (her final resting spot), therefore knowing he could not lead LE to Haleigh's body even if he wanted to, and 2. If he told his part of the story about moving Haleigh's dead body somewhere else, he knew many other questions would follow that he had no answer for. like how did Haleigh die, where is she now? And that's exactly what happened after Tommy had his "godly moment" and told LE about the dock because is participation only included taking a dead Haleigh to the dock. And I believe that's why we also seen Misty at the dock...Tommy told LE Misty gave him the instruction to do so. I believe that's why the Croslins had to come up with with their own cover story for this part....hence, the JO story....Tommy starting throwing out all these stories in an attempt to explain his part of the crime. In his attempt he had to try and explain the who, what, when, why, how, and where. Now, I believe that Tommy knew first hand the what, when, and where: referring to his part in this, which is incriminating enough. He knew Haleigh had died, hours before the 911 call, and he was instructed to take Haleigh to the dock...but he does not know or was lied to about the who, why and how. That's why we heard about Jo, the gun, and Haleigh being taken because of the gun.
LE wanted the whole story from Tommy, something that he did not have, so he made up most of it..because he had already opened up to some involvement, KWIM? IMO, Tommy only knew what Misty had told him regarding the rest of the story....As time past, I think Tommy started to doubt whether Misty was the main one responsible and that she was possibly covering for Ron. Tommy stated this in a few of the jailhouse recordings. I also think when Tommy started to put it together...he received threats and a dead rat in his mailbox. I believe that not only had he began to figure some things out...so did Timmy and he took his family and left Satsuma. That's why Tommy said he felt his sister had him caught up in this mess. If you think about it....she did. That's why Tommy can't say for sure that Ron is the main one responsible. Would Tommy cover for Ron? Is a question I hear often on here....truth is IMO, Tommy thought he was in this for his sister not Ron....so him covering for his sister made him also seem to be covering for Ron. but I don't think that's the case. IMO, had Tommy known that all of this was because of Ron or any other Cummings, he would have NOT helped Misty in any way concerning Haleigh. So Tommy, Misty, Timmy, and Ron (via phone) is who I think is apart of this. Although, Misty and Ron are on my who's responsible list.

Who did the disposal/burial? IMO, this is where the Cummings clan take over. and I believe they retrieved Haleigh from the dock and buried her underground somewhere close to that area...I believe they kept Haleigh in this area simply because Tommy had already admitted to taken her there and being told to do so by Misty...so Misty also knew about the dock. It would still point the finger at Tommy and Misty, if Haleigh had been found there, KWIM? As far as the disposal/burial...IMO, that would be Teresa, GMSykes, and/or Ron. It was their attempt to honor Haleigh and give her a proper burial. If we consider Ron's alibi, he was at work...that leaves Teresa and GMSykes. I know some may be disgusted by this accusation but I really do believe this...why would they do this? Honestly I can see no other reason but to protect one of their own as being the one responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh...while showing their love to Haleigh...who would they protect? themselves or Ron....that leads me back to who's responsible and all three of them (Ron/Teresa/GMSykes) are on that list. But if we stick with Ron's alibi, that leaves only Teresa and GMSykes physically capable of the handling the disposal/buiral. And before some of you throw tomatoes, it is not too far fetched...when Misty warned them about the dock search...both of these ladies searched the woods for hours...so who's to say they had not done it before? If Haleigh was buried there, there is no doubt that Teresa would tell Ron where Haleigh is.
I don't think that Misty accompanied them to bury Haleigh...and that's why Misty can't lead LE to Haleigh's body either. If she could I think she would've done it long ago. But she can't and IMO, it was planned out that way.
Some of the people involved have limited information but there are a few who knows every detail...IMO, the spotlight has been put on the ones with limited information....including Misty and she's supposedly the "key".

Then we have the overall cover-up:
I believe there was a "round table" discussion(:waitasec:) as to who was going to say what once the police were brought in. What to say, what not to say, how to act, how not to act, and most importantly the sketchy details of what had transpired the whole day. Now as far as the coverup, some things Misty could not keep straight and often relied on Ron to save her by injecting details that he would have not possibly known if he was at work when it all occurred. like where everybody was sleeping. That tells me that Ron is included in this part of the crime also...Everyone had a story to tell and Ron had the most simple story "I was at work". because he was and LE could prove it. and that built up confidence in Ron...he felt untouchable...but the moment Ron would realize that Misty was not keeping the story straight, either he would straighten it out or remain silent. I didn't have a problem with him remaining silent, it was when he tried to straighten it out, that really bothered me. But what stood out to me is that some of the basic things that Misty should've known for sure if she was there, she did not know...like what Haleigh had on.. because of this I don't think Misty is the "one" responsible and that leaves Ron, GMSykes, Teresa.

Everyone that was involved in the first 3 parts, became part of the coverup. That would be Misty, Teresa, GMSykes, Ron, Tommy, and/or Timmy. Therefore, they could either remain silent and appear to be a non player in this, which I think Tommy and Timmy tried to do....or they could take over the spotlight at times to "deflect", whether it be defending/praising another key player, or screwing with the timeline in some way. Tommy tried to remain quiet but when the spotlight was put on him, he used it to "deflect". Teresa jumped in the spotlight quick...right out the gate..to "deflect"....who then pulled in GMSykes to help "deflect"....and IMO, when things got too hot, Teresa and GMSykes tried to remain silent...like after the drug bust. The Cummings did a "360" on Misty...so why the change of heart? IMO, they knew a few key players had been put in positions where it was "do or die" "talk or walk"....Ron, Misty, and Tommy. and that's why Teresa seems worried and asks Ron if he thinks Misty is going to talk....Ron's response (if completely innocent) should've been about how he hoped that she would talk
so that they could find Haleigh...but instead he warned Teresa that the phone call was being recorded. That told me they both knew why it would not be a good thing for Misty to talk. And they also knew it would not be good for Ron to talk so GMSykes warned him about the snitches in jail.

IMO, there is a cover-up inside of a cover-up, if that makes sense...and that's why LE was having a hard time solving this case. Problem is Tommy's cover up for his part, distorted the bigger picture...the part that included the Cummings. and that's why some people can't see it and don't want to see it. The part that Tommy played was the most gruesome and some people think that the bus stops there...but it doesn't..nor does it stop at Misty...IMO
Ron did not get his hands dirty but he had a hand in orchestrating the cover-up. I do believe this. And out of all the people involved the only real threat to him is Misty. Because she knows enough.

After the dock search....LE said there were multiple persons of interest and one of them was going to be a surprise to everyone. IMO, the surprise POI, is going to be someone who had injected themselves into this case as a supporter of some sort.....trying to appear forthcoming and truthful in the matter. The surprise POI is not going to be someone we have never heard about. IMO, it's going to be someone a part of this case, someone who has tried to appear as an innocent bystander and/or victim. It's not going to be someone who already been put into the spotlight as to having something to do with Haleigh's demise either....like JO.

IMO, the surprise is going to be either Teresa or GMSykes. Ron has received a plea deal for information that he has regarding Haleigh...and it was valuable enough for him to get a deal. So I'm thinking that he may not be "the one' responsible either but assisted in other parts of the tragedy.....so would Ron cover for?? No way would he cover for Misty, nor any of the Croslins....but he would cover for one of his own....Teresa or GMSykes.

I'm going to stop now...sorry for the long post...I hope it came out the way it was intended to. Goodnight all.

All I can say is Wow; I think you hit the nail on the head! I believe you could have this down exactly right and I believe LE knows this also. IMO< they gave Ron this 'sweet deal' in order to hang himself.:woohoo:
 
My very first theory was Misty was not at home, door was left unlocked so she could get in, and a stranger entered while the kids were home alone.

As Ron's behavior became more and more appalling, I theorized that Misty was home and Haleigh died either from drugs (and neither could be sure who's drug) or from being hit by Ron in anger before he left for work. Tommy and Joe helped in the cover-up because they didn't know Ron was involved; they thought they were helping Misty.

As more information came out, I moved Joe out of my theory, though he remained on my list as possibly being involved.

I am now entertaining the possibility that Misty harmed Haleigh--maybe Haleigh was acting up as 5-year-olds sometimes do, wanting to play or run around instead of going to bed. Maybe Haleigh threw a tantrum. Or maybe Haleigh challenged Misty's authority, and Misty in the heat of the moment just lost it. Misty then called Tommy for help.

It is a given, IMO, Ron had much to hide from LE, which could account for his strange behavior; he did not want LE to delve into his personal life, activities, and acquaintances. TN and GMS would rally around Ron to save him, just as Tommy and some others would rally around Misty and do *whatever* to save her.

However...even if Ron had things to hide from LE, if someone he knew harmed his daughter I would not expect him to just let it go! If Ron thought Misty or Tommy had done anything with Haleigh, there is just no way he would let them get away with it, IMO. So, either Ron has some culpability for Haleigh's demise, or Misty/Tommy did this deed and Ron was none the wiser. It is entirely possible that Ron is not as smart as TN has proclaimed him to be!

It is likely that Ron has recently told the SA about his *other* activities--whatever it was that he had hoped to keep under wraps--and with that the SA decided it was time to re-interview Misty.

I do not believe Misty is telling the truth, but I believe she is inching closer. Hopefully one day Misty will come full circle.

As for Misty being questioned without her attorney present, that is entirely legal as long as she agreed to it. And even if Misty initially agreed but then at any point in the interview stated that she wanted her attorney present, questioning had to stop. So, for now we do not know if Fields was present or if Misty chose to speak without him, but I am sure Fields has advised Misty not to speak without him present. If Misty ignored Fields' advice, she may be looking for a new attorney soon.

JMO.
 
In Tommy's "godly moment" I truly believe that Tommy told all he knew....He told LE that Haleigh was deceased when he entered the scene and he was instructed by his sister to take Haleigh near the dock. I also believe that Tommy was given a LDT to confirm that story....and when the story was confirmed LE searched the dock. Clearly LE didn't search the dock based merely on Tommy's word...Tommy needed proof.....IMO, the LDT was his proof. And it also confirmed that Haleigh was dead. And that was one of the things that LE went on when they turned this to a homocide investigation.

Because Tommy admitted to this much...LE thought that Tommy must know more...but he didn't....When Tommy was sentenced, they labeled him a suspect in the Haleigh case....IMO, Tommy had no other concrete information to bargain with (plea deal)..all he had was he took a deceased Haleigh to the dock....and nothing more..

IMO, there wasn't bad blood between Ron, Tommy and Misty until Tommy found out that all that he had done was NOT for his sister but for someone in the Cummings family....IMO, that's when the problems started...Tommy realized he had been played and his future rested in the hands of someone else.

JMO of course
 
Snipped for space,

IMO, there wasn't bad blood between Ron, Tommy and Misty until Tommy found out that all that he had done was NOT for his sister but for someone in the Cummings family....IMO, that's when the problems started...Tommy realized he had been played and his future rested in the hands of someone else.

JMO of course


ITA Suspicious1. That was why the skirmish took place when TC went over there trying to get MC away from him after MC called and asked for help. The Croslin's were trying to help MC get away from RC but he wasn't about to let her go. He needed her to use as a person that would be highly suspected of Haleigh's disappearance therefore keeping LE away from himself. He had to marry her to keep her in his sights, to control her, etc. This man has no conscience. If the honeymoon pictures don't show that, I don't know what does.
 
Howdy Haleigh's friends!

I too need a place to jot down my current thoughts here on Haleigh&#8217;s theory thread before I forget them. I&#8217;ll attempt to do so &#8220;elimination theory&#8221; style.

At this point, LE would only believe one of Misty's (Satsuma's most prolific liar) stories, if it agrees with some sort of evidence they already have. IMO, LE is working some logical theory supported by info they have - just waiting for the story from these final two players that makes the evidence they do have make sense. Ron's information (assuming he gave information recently) likely made sense.

A while ago, Tommy's river story must have made SOME sense with regard to evidence they have, or they'd not have spent the time/money searching...

I think LE believes that Tommy could very well know where Haleigh was disposed. I think LE believes that Misty knows more detail about what happened to Haleigh, and who.

Instructions and/or Burial by Ron.
There is the school of thought that Ron is somehow culpable for Haleigh&#8217;s death, but orchestrated, from a distance, the disposal of Haleigh so that he himself would bear no culpability for her death. Follow up thoughts include that Haleigh could have been temporarily disposed by Tommy and later buried by her own father. (Tommy would have had to tell Ronald where Haleigh was. Ronald would know why Haleigh died.) Tommy would not be culpable in that scenario &#8211; it&#8217;s a Ron/Misty scenario. If this is the case, Tommy implicates his sister when he gives that up. But the only way that scenario makes sense is if Haleigh died in the MH &#8230; or in the Van or in another home under Misty&#8217;s watch with panicked calls back & forth and direction from Ron &#8230; IMO, LE now knows if this is the case - because RON would have HAD to tell his side of the story to earn (and keep) his plea deal. If Ron communicated & instructed post-mortem from a distance, Tommy may have refused to tell that story fearing culpability for Haleigh&#8217;s death would be on himself and/or Misty &#8211; since Ron wasn&#8217;t actually there.

Misty vs. Tommy.
Investigators would use Ron&#8217;s story to push both Misty and Tommy. Likely Misty & Tommy were confronted on a coordinated basis this time around.

Misty gives up Tommy.
I don&#8217;t think Misty would hand the story-telling over to Tommy if Tommy would then be able to implicate her. She must know that Tommy has to take the fall. Or, she would have to know Tommy would be able to implicate a third party, where she can&#8217;t because she wasn&#8217;t actually there. If what we have learned this week is true, the story of Where&#8217;s Haleigh? is now Tommy&#8217;s to tell. (per Misty &#8211; Tommy did it, ask Tommy.)

Tommy gives up Misty.
We haven&#8217;t seen this, but it&#8217;s possible Tommy will point to his sister and admit to disposal of Haleigh. To be believed, Tommy must give up Haleigh&#8217;s actual location, and hope her remains are there.

The Who What Where When How of Haleigh&#8217;s death.
Following the river search - LE was willing to say that they believe Haleigh is deceased. LE was also willing to believe that Haleigh may have died at the river location. In other words, Haleigh's death OUTSIDE the MH works for LE. They also said they believe those responsible for Haleigh&#8217;s death were in jail. Then they qualified it with some involved may not be in jail. (Assuming we believe that THAT information from LE was accurate and not an intentional misleading at a national presser.)

IMO, I think LE knows who and when &#8211; but they need the rest of exactly how Haleigh died. (They may still be juggling which one of these players is more culpable than the others if all are at fault &#8211; such as might be the case with an overdose). Obviously, they also would like to know where she died, and where she was disposed to get confirming evidence.

The Van.
Why is the van always in the story? Did Haleigh die in the van? (Possibly &#8211; but they got the van back, so, no evidence?)

Is it because the players know the van MUST be in the story, based upon physical evidence LE has confronted them with, evidence LE has told them they have?

Or is the van always in the story it because it brings the Croslin family scapegoat (Joe) into the story?

Or &#8230; is the van always in the story to keep LE out of Misty&#8217;s parent&#8217;s former home location&#8230;or to keep LE away from another vehicle where there might be more evidence?


The Family Search Crew.
Every time a hint of an LE search for Haleigh&#8217;s remains occurs, GGMS and TN go searching there too. That is just so weird, IMO. I don&#8217;t know what to make of these women, except they are not surreptitious about it, and they do talk about their searching, and how they know searching for remains would be futile, because it&#8217;s a croc that Haleigh&#8217;s dead.

I have to assume these two are hanging around LE search areas because they actually don&#8217;t know details about the disposal, and are hoping against hope each search is not productive. Hard to tell if this is their way of keeping hope alive for Haleigh, or if was their way of keeping Ron in the &#8220;what does LE have on me&#8221; loop.

Come to think of it, TN would be a great interview right now &#8211; what does she know about Ron&#8217;s plea deal, and the information provided? If she knows something, she&#8217;s likely under strict orders to not impede the investigation.

Considering the fact that, days before Ron&#8217;s sentencing, TN was at a missing children&#8217;s event, she would kind of have to be crazy to attend such an event whilst having knowledge that her son was confessing for his plea that he knew Haleigh was dead and not actually missing.

The Rat.
Good grief. It&#8217;s hard to think outside the mailbox. But&#8230; could the RAT could be unrelated to Haleigh and more about Ron&#8217;s drugs and/or guns and Tommy&#8217;s many visits to jail and many opportunities to give up information on Ron&#8217;s activities to cut deals for his own assundry arrests the summer following Haleigh&#8217;s death? The RAT says &#8220;look brother-in-law, I know you got stuff on me but you best not use it for your own advantage&#8221;.

For Ron to be confident enough that he could put a rat in Tommy&#8217;s mailbox and not draw attention to himself for Haleigh&#8217;s death &#8211; well, then even back then, Ron had reason to be confident. What reason is that? Probably because, at the time, he was newly married and confident his alibi was holding up.

Lindsy.
Something happened that turned on Lindsy&#8217;s lightbulb. Lindsy indicated Tommy was more interested in partying with and protecting his sister than in taking care of his own family. She was clearly already fed up with the Tommy/Misty thing. Lindsy never made it sound like Tommy and Misty hated each other. In fact, just the opposite. She accused them of being too close, too tight. She was toying with the idea of waiting a year for Tommy, but maybe not 3 years. She pushed the lie detector test. Then, she just turned on a dime and abandoned him &#8211; after the lie detector failure. She was in close contact with Tommy&#8217;s lawyer, arranged the voluntary lie detector test, demanded he take it, coached him to take it when he was feeling rested & well. IMO, Lindsy learned something about Tommy that made her realize he was in this thing up to his eyeballs. Because Lindsy attended and supported Tommy at his sentencing and cried a river afterwards, I don&#8217;t think Lindsy thinks Tommy killed Haleigh, however.

Joe.
If Joe was, indeed, partying with Tommy &/or Misty, Joe was probably able (and forced) to tell LE Tommy & Misty&#8217;s state of mind and priorities that night. He probably was also able (and forced) to discuss the Van and explain any part he had in moving it that night. My feeling is Joe was otherwise immediately alibied by a girlfriend for key time frames, and LE is comfortable with it for some reason.

Chelsea.
Misty&#8217;s confidant. And cheerleader. And big sissy. But she really has no idea, because Misty has Chelsea convinced that she really doesn&#8217;t know where Haleigh is and she doesn&#8217;t know what happened to Haleigh. She is happy to promote Misty&#8217;s latest theory/story/lie, and provide her own interpretation. It&#8217;s interesting to me that Chelsea can readily fathom that Misty was so completely out of it she just really doesn&#8217;t know.


Flo.
As the tree that bore the apples, and interesting character study and not much else. Why are they calling her? Oh, she buys minutes and holds her phone with Misty on the other end to a cell phone connected to people who aren&#8217;t on Misty approved &#8220;you can call these people from jail&#8221; list. How Misty gets messages to Teresa and GGMS and Ron. How Misty talks to Tommy. Nice. :shakehead: Good job Flo on the family switchboard ops.

Magnolia Home.
Misty would possibly go there with the kids while Ron was working &#8211; to play with other Croslin kids for a while, or because her parents weren't home and she knew she could party there, or whatever. New potential crime scene...same players though.

MH Staging.
Complements of Misty and Tommy. Misty even says so. &#8220;See - we know they broke in because the brick is how Tommy does his burglaries. Yup.&#8221;

Hints.
IMO, Misty&#8217;s been hinting about Tommy from the get go. She threw a few other men in black and Joe in there as a family favor to deflect suspicion from Tommy a few days later when it looked like the spin was working.


Junior&#8217;s Men in Black.

Oh gosh. I can&#8217;t imagine why the couch would be bouncing with Men in Black. :blushing: Can you? :rolleyes: JMHO, I think this story has been greatly blown out of proportion &#8211; and Misty grabbed on to something Crystal said that Junior said and weaved it into her story and Chelsea is now running it in the direction of Ron&#8217;s work-attire. To me it's noise & smoke and Misty can't even remember to fit the couch bouncing into her stories...

TN&#8217;s Costume and Photo.
I think when TN got the call that Haleigh went missing TN immediately went into complete panic mode &#8211; adrenalin rush &#8211; the whole nine yards. She feared that LE would not take Haleigh&#8217;s disappearance seriously because her son was such a screw up, and/or because she suspected Crystal&#8217;s family immediately, and she wanted LE on Ron&#8217;s side from the get go. I think TN showed up PREPARED to interface & manage &#8220;appearances&#8221; with LE as much as possible - with a Haleigh photo because she has LE-related experience and knew if Haleigh was missing, they&#8217;d want a photo. She was afraid Ron wouldn&#8217;t have one handy. I think it&#8217;s likely she put on her old LE jacket because she felt she&#8217;d get better service for Haleigh, and they&#8217;d take her loser son more seriously if Ron&#8217;s mama was there with LE gear on. I think TN was highly concerned with regard to appearances. I think TN was all about finding Haleigh with the help of LE in the first few hours and that meant controlling information and appearances so LE would get a search going and not be sidetracked by Ronald&#8217;s mess of a lifestyle. I&#8217;m sure she rushed to that house scanned it for contraband too. I don&#8217;t know how she got there so quickly, but I&#8217;m sure LE knows how by now, and they&#8217;re either fine with TN&#8217;s timing, or they&#8217;re not.

Conclusion.
From observing the things above, the most logical conclusions I can make at this juncture, (IMO) is that Tommy disposed of Haleigh either 1) after Misty caused her death, or 2) after he caused her death or 3) after they both caused her death or 4) after Ron & Misty caused Haleigh&#8217;s death &#8211; with the death happening under Misty&#8217;s watch.

If Tommy does not give up Misty or a 3rd party, and will not disclose location, it&#8217;s because : 1) Tommy did kill Haleigh or 2) Tommy is willing to be the family martyr and refuses to give up his sister.

Possible Tweak.
Tommy might give up Misty if there&#8217;s a chance Misty overdosed Haleigh under direction of Ron, and Tommy believes Misty was not at fault, but just following directions.

And one Final Scenario:
If Tommy and Misty were partying and Haleigh woke up and interrupted/annoyed them, they may have both decided to use Ron&#8217;s stash to dope Haleigh &#8211; and, in fact, Misty may have known that would work because she&#8217;d seen Ron do it before&#8230;AND, she likely had Ron&#8217;s permission to dose the &#8220;difficult&#8221; Haleigh&#8230;especially that night when Misty was too exhausted to be there. (But not too exhausted to party.)

Occam&#8217;s Razor:
The final scenario, actually.
 
simplest explanation...Misty was babysitting, but not in the mood, so she took it out on Haleigh, got Tommy, turned her phone off, & those 2 disposed of her. Ron was out of the loop, but not stupid, so, he covered for Misty, & himself by association. win win situation. The dead rat was to keep Tommy quiet about Misty, but also quiet about his 'support'. TN & GGS loving on Misty & letting her raise Jr...hmmm...that's a hard one. Maybe they didn't know for sure, but since Ron was happier with Misty around, they lived in a self imposed denial? with the stipulation that they all move in with GGS? about TN & GGS searching...actually, I don't find that especially weird, if they're desperate for answers, & LE's keeping them in the dark.
 
I've changed my mind....again...I now think Haleigh died at the Magnolia address of Hank Sr. and Lisa.
 
I'm ashamed to say that I now have more scenarios than all the players involved.:waitasec:
 
I'm throwing my theory into the hat with RC tried to get sleep that fateful day and wasn't able to because of his addiction to his pills. This is a side affect of an addict on those particular pills to my knowledge IF you are an abuser of them. I don't think he got much sleep and when Haleigh came home, he lost it and harmed her somehow as we know he's one to be free with his hands. We also know that this behavior was acceptable to the elder members of his family as it's been said by GGS herself, she heard the noise from another room when RC pushed MC around at her house but didn't actually see anything. Story of his life being brought up, I think but that's just my opinion. DCF having been called in on previous occasions further supports reporting of this behavior.

Once harm was done, the others were called in to clean up the mess and this is what has yet to be proven out. Misty has been the pawn from the start. She knows and is being a fool by keeping it hidden. IF TN and GGS really don't know what happened, why did they set out on a private foot search down by the docks after talking to GFlora rather than calling LE? For appearances, that's why. It supported their alleged suspicions of anyone other than their "boy".

Not long after RC was incarcerated, TN's question posed to her son was "do you think she'll talk"? He casually answered "I don't know" and proceeded to describe how she cried when they (LE?) brought up his name to her. He sounded flattered that she would react that way. It says to me he was assured of her alliance with him. He could have said to his mother "I hope so" but that's not the way the conversation went down. He'd rather take 15 years for the drug charges than for the more serious charges Haleigh's demise might have brought.
 
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