General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

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Misty claimed shortly after her arrest (according to Fields) that she cowered under the covers with Junior while Haleigh was attacked. Haleigh was screaming, per Misty, but she was too frightened to do anything to stop the attack.

I find it difficult to accept that Haleigh screamed and Junior did not mention that. So, either he was not there, or she did not scream, IMO.

I have been trying to put myself emotionally into a situation of someone being in my home up to no good and how I might react. I would like to believe that I would take immediate action to thwart off the intruder but, in all honesty, I do not know for sure that I would not be paralyzed with fear and thus unable to react in a positive way.

The biggest problem I have with Misty is her initial, "I was sleeping and when I woke up Haleigh was gone," story. If Joe and/or Tommy--or anyone--had come in and done what Misty now claims, why did she not tell all right from the start? I do not buy the fear-of-Joe-after-the-fact story, so if it happened that way, the only reason for not coming forth would have to be to protect Tommy.

Unless...it didn't happen that way.

I am still riding the fence about Joe. The fact that he was in town when this happened makes him a convenient scapegoat, IMO. For now, I do not have any reason to believe Joe has a penchant for this particular type of violence, or that he is a SO. I hear it mentioned often that Joe may have molested Misty when she was a child but one thing that is usually left out of that statement is that at the time, Joe was also a child.

I do not believe everything that came out of Flora Hollars because she contradicted herself on some important points. Flora did say Joe is not a SO and that he did not molest Misty (or if he did, she "liked it"). I believe Flora on this because, IMO, if Joe was a SO I think Flora would have been eager to make a public statement about it. I question Flora's veracity in general, though, because of her statements that ranged from, "Misty would never hurt Haleigh," to, "Misty wanted Haleigh gone so she could have Ron all to herself."

As for Tommy, he does not strike me as a guy who could harm a child and then simply go about his normal routine. And I cannot forget how adamant he was in jail that he was not going to say someone did something that they didn't do, when speaking to Hank about LE having asked him about Joe.

I do think Tommy would come to his sister's aid if she hurt Haleigh. I believe Tommy and Misty would cover for each other. I also believe that Misty would cover for Ron, but Tommy wouldn't. Ron would cover for himself and his kin but not for anyone else, IMO. I do not think any of them would cover for Joe.

What we have a situation where Misty at first said she knew nothing, then started hinting toward Joe, then Tommy, and even said LE should look at Crystal's side, and once she was arrested she implicated Joe, then Tommy, then Tommy and Joe, than was back to just Joe, and finally stated she isn't sure.

With all this considered, I am in a place now where I have to look seriously at what Misty has not said rather than what she has said. Misty has not implicated herself, Ron, or anyone in Ron's family. In one jailhouse conversation she started in that direction, but stopped short.

Ron is now saying he agrees Misty is the key. He denied that up until the day he was forced to say it out loud. This, to me, is Ron's version of finger-pointing. He is in the hot seat now, so he has to come up with something and in his mind the best way to go is to follow LE's lead, i.e., "Misty is the key."

I agree Misty is the key, but I do not think Misty is the perp. I think Misty has withheld key information, and that may be all that LE ever meant by Misty is the key.

I think Ron is going to say (or is saying) that Joe did it and Misty was involved. My personal opinion is that, if anyone ever goes down for this, it will be Misty. And I believe when/if that happens, the truth will come out. Not that many will believe it, coming from Misty as it will, but it will be the truth nonetheless.

JMO.
 
I've always thought that Misty is trying to make her story fit what Jr. said that he saw and heard, so he may have told that he heard Haleigh crying in the other room. I just wish we knew if Jr. said that Misty was there in bed when the man took Haleigh. I don't think she was home, but that the kids were alone when Haleigh was taken, or else she did something to Haleigh. I don't believe she'd cover for anyone, but could be wrong.
 
Snipped your post krkrjx.

I find it difficult to accept that Haleigh screamed and Junior did not mention that. So, either he was not there, or she did not scream, IMO.

Jr. could have been drugged too, and I always wonder if he was if Haleigh od'd.

Oh my, those little children who didn't deserve bad stuff....
 
Snipped your post krkrjx.

I find it difficult to accept that Haleigh screamed and Junior did not mention that. So, either he was not there, or she did not scream, IMO.

Jr. could have been drugged too, and I always wonder if he was if Haleigh od'd.

Oh my, those little children who didn't deserve bad stuff....

True, Junior could have been drugged and slept through it all. Or, he was not there. Certainly, without a drug he could not have slept through any of what was described so either he was out like a light, not there, or it just didn't happen the way Misty & Tommy are saying.

If Junior made a comment about "squeaky shoes" and a "man in black" or "a black man" and the "couch bouncing," then I believe he would have mentioned Haleigh crying or screaming. So Junior did not say any of those things and was out (drugged), or was not there, IMO.

My opinion is it didn't go down the way they are saying and likely didn't go down at the MH at all, no matter what happened. I think the MH was staged and I do not think any of this group could have removed every trace of evidence to a crime that involved a struggle and attack as was described.

I think it will take an arrest before we find out anything real...and I hope Tommy is not the one arrested because it will just be more of the same BS that he and Werter have spewed, IMO. Except now that a "black bag" has been mentioned publicly, that will be added to Tommy's next revelation, IMO.
 
I have some questions and thoughts regarding Junior that day...

If Misty picked up Haleigh at the bus stop that afternoon and they went to the Magnolia residence....does anyone know if Junior was with her???

If memory serves, correct me if I am incorrect, Misty was staying at the Magnolia residence since she was arguing with Ron.....and her folks were at the hospital..

How would Misty have Junior that day.??? Was he with her ...before she picked up Haleigh??

The point I am getting to is this...

IF Junior WAS...with Misty..at Magnolia..and she picks up Haleigh at the bus stop..and now both of the kids are with Misty...and the demise happens to Haleigh..does Junior stay with Misty thru out the entire evening..while the cover up is being done????

OR...does someone come and get Junior to get him out of the way???
IF so, who would come get Junior????

I am trying to figure out ....if Misty had Junior that day at all...

I believe someone came and got him...and he is not with Misty..due to the fact Ron was trying to find her...to come babysit....

It was never clear to me ...where was Junior..IF the theory is that Misty is at the Magnolia residence..not Ron's MH..

all in my own opinion...thanks for any info....
 
I have some questions and thoughts regarding Junior that day...

If Misty picked up Haleigh at the bus stop that afternoon and they went to the Magnolia residence....does anyone know if Junior was with her???

If memory serves, correct me if I am incorrect, Misty was staying at the Magnolia residence since she was arguing with Ron.....and her folks were at the hospital..

How would Misty have Junior that day.??? Was he with her ...before she picked up Haleigh??

The point I am getting to is this...

IF Junior WAS...with Misty..at Magnolia..and she picks up Haleigh at the bus stop..and now both of the kids are with Misty...and the demise happens to Haleigh..does Junior stay with Misty thru out the entire evening..while the cover up is being done????

OR...does someone come and get Junior to get him out of the way???
IF so, who would come get Junior????

I am trying to figure out ....if Misty had Junior that day at all...

I believe someone came and got him...and he is not with Misty..due to the fact Ron was trying to find her...to come babysit....

It was never clear to me ...where was Junior..IF the theory is that Misty is at the Magnolia residence..not Ron's MH..

all in my own opinion...thanks for any info....

Justice, all morning I've been thinking about Butterbean's whereabouts. I think both he and Haleigh spent the weekend at GGM Syke's place. If
Ron was out hunting for Misty, I don't think he'd have the children along. Therefore, I believe Haleigh left for school on MOnday from Syke's place and Butterbean stayed there for the day. Which might mean Syke's was clearly aware of the problems between Ron and Misty. Which probably made her dislike Misty even more.

I believe it was Misty who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop and she didn't have Junior with her. In order to have Junior, Misty would have had to go to Syke's place and she wasn't about to do that.

Ron probably had a hunch Misty would be at the bus stop to get Haleigh and he took the opportunity to chase her down when she picked up his daughter, finally after a weekend of searching.

No, I do not think Butterbean was present until much later until the 911 call was made. He was brought over from GGM Sykes place. Initial reports show a blanked out name of someone at the MH on Green when cops arrived. His name would be blanked out because he is a minor. But he was there then.

Also, about Junior's account of squeeky shoes and a man in black, I think he was speaking about the aftermath. When cops arrived. To me he is describing LE entering the house. Not whoever took his sister. He was three, and I can see where he would be confused about who was there and when and why.

He may have even asked Misty or Ron about the unknown men entering the house so late and had questions about his sissy's whereabouts. I can imagine Ron, Misty or TN telling him she was gone and the men at the house had either taken her or were looking for her.

About the bouncing couch, I still haven't been able to attach a reason for him hearing that. Maybe, he heard this before cops arrive. Perhaps it was Ron bouncing Misty off the couch in anger that she did not follow instructions and make the 911 call before he arrived home.

All this is just what I've come up with this morning. I didn't know my brain could work this well so early in the day. Thanks though for bringing up the questions about Junior. He needs to be accounted for throughout all this.

JMO
 
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About the bouncing couch, I still haven't been able to attach a reason for him hearing that. Maybe, he heard this before cops arrive. Perhaps it was Ron bouncing Misty off the couch in anger that she did not follow instructions and make the 911 call before he arrived home.

All this is just what I've come up with this morning. I didn't know my brain could work this well so early in the day. Thanks though for bringing up the questions about Junior. He needs to be accounted for throughout all this.

JMO

Junior could very well recall the bouncing couch from another time. Kids that age don't miss much but they do not have a great concept for time. If he heard that ever, it might have stuck in his mind and the memory just came forth then when he was questioned. IF he actually said this--or anything--at all. Also, I agree LEOs could have squeaky shoes and their uniforms are very dark blue or black.

I do still question Junior's whereabouts that night/early morning. We never heard a peep from him during the 911 and with all the noise going on I would not expect a kid his age to sit quietly through it all. He could have been removed to another location by then but I doubt that as who could have done that between the time Ron got home and the 911 call was placed? According to R and M, Ron got home and 911 was called within a couple minutes.
 
I have considered--not seriously, but the thought has crossed my mind--that maybe Tommy did not know anything for certain but, in the heat of the moment during one of his battles with RC, Tommy blurted out an accusation that was actually close to the truth. This could have led Ron to take action to silence Tommy...and he went rat hunting.

If Tommy was involved, would he have risked calling attention to himself by calling LE about the rat? Of course, it could have been Lindsy who called LE...I do not remember who called or if it was even reported who called.

I have seriously considered that possibility, especially in light of the timing of the incident. Ron and Misty were fighting on the night of August 5/6, and she called Tommy and said she didn't want to be with Ron any longer, which prompted the Croslins to drive over to 2nd and Oak where the brawl ensued. Ron was wild that night, and Tommy wasn't letting down. (In the incident report, the officer notes Hank, Sr. told him Ron "went crazy on his son".) I think that during one of the phone calls between Misty and Tommy when she was angry with Ron, Misty told Tommy something about Ron, something that Tommy later blurted out to Ron during the fight. BUT, that doesn't necessarily mean it was a comment related to Haleigh. It might've had to do with some other illegal activity, drugs or guns. I dunno...just speculatin'. But it adds up because just two days later, on August 8th, Ron and Misty placed the headless rat in Tommy's mailbox.

Some time afterward Misty wrote a letter to LE describing the events the night of the fight and filed a petition for an injunction. On September 9th she was granted a restraining order against Tommy.

On August 25th, Detective Ken Taylor paid a visit to M. Martin after he received "a tip" that Mr. Martin might've been the victim of a theft from his home. Martin tells Taylor the senior Croslins had returned the gun, and he doesn't want to press charges. Then for some reason he has a change of heart, and on Sept. 11th decides that he does want to press charges, after all. On September 14th, Tommy was arrested. That's just too many coincidences for me.

Last fall was a crucial point in time, imo. The calendar from Aug-Oct, 2009 is full of events related to this case. When one focuses on them side-by-side, the story really does start to unfold.

After the fight aournd mid-Aug, TN said she called in TM because Misty was "acting" crazy by refusing to be in the same room with Ron and going outside to talk on the phone so no one could hear. According to TM, Ron admitted to the "headless rat" as his way to test Misty's ability to lie to LE.

TM also said that Misty did not want to take any tests. One time Ron "talked" her into it and the other time TN "talked" her into it.

IMO, Ron only 'tested" Misty's lying ability to set her up to fail TM's tests to destroy her credibility. They were losing control of Misty so had to destroy her in case she did talk. I think Ron and TN "talkin Misty" her into it was forcing her to go with the story about Tommy/Joe while they were sitting right by to make sure she did.
 
great comments and suggestions regarding Junior...thanks..

If memory serves...and if TRUE...Ron said he took Haleigh to GMS that morning to get her some clothes to wear to school...and then he took her to school..IF Junior was with him Ron could have left him with GMS...as....IMO...Misty was at the Magnolia residence..and apparently NOT babysitting...that morning

The theory of the police officers...in the uniforms..and black shoes..coming at that late hour..COULD BE...like you say...Junior is remembering them...

IMO...IF Ron's home was staged...to look like an abduction..and the 911 cal was placed and the LE came...FOR MISTY..to "sell" her story and to say THEY were all sleeping, IMO...Junior would HAVE to be there.....wouldn't he???

TN showed up ..before/while the LE were there...Had Junior been with her...??? If he had been with GMS...was she at the MH..right before the call was made??? and she brought Junior with her...then left????....It would be interesting to know...WHO had Junior PRIOR to the 911 call?????..IMo...Junior was NOT with Misty...
all in my own opinion
 
FWIW Emeralgem, I have felt all along they were giving RC soooo much slack that they were hoping he would hang himself, but after all the comments and antics I've seen from him, if that isn't enough, I don't know what is anymore.

I agree that, with all of Ron's (and Teresa's) suspicious behavior, RC is more than likely the guilty party, MY OPINION ONLY, still we have to remember there is no body, and no real proof that Haleigh is dead, and no confession. I know it is very frustrating, but I have to have some faith in LE that they want the guilty party to pay as much as we do. I guess what I am trying to say in my round about way is that the way LE has handled this, being no real substantial evidence, is probably the best they can do. :banghead:
 
Misty claimed shortly after her arrest (according to Fields) that she cowered under the covers with Junior while Haleigh was attacked. Haleigh was screaming, per Misty, but she was too frightened to do anything to stop the attack.

I find it difficult to accept that Haleigh screamed and Junior did not mention that. So, either he was not there, or she did not scream, IMO.

I have been trying to put myself emotionally into a situation of someone being in my home up to no good and how I might react. I would like to believe that I would take immediate action to thwart off the intruder but, in all honesty, I do not know for sure that I would not be paralyzed with fear and thus unable to react in a positive way.

The biggest problem I have with Misty is her initial, "I was sleeping and when I woke up Haleigh was gone," story. If Joe and/or Tommy--or anyone--had come in and done what Misty now claims, why did she not tell all right from the start? I do not buy the fear-of-Joe-after-the-fact story, so if it happened that way, the only reason for not coming forth would have to be to protect Tommy.

Unless...it didn't happen that way.

I am still riding the fence about Joe. The fact that he was in town when this happened makes him a convenient scapegoat, IMO. For now, I do not have any reason to believe Joe has a penchant for this particular type of violence, or that he is a SO. I hear it mentioned often that Joe may have molested Misty when she was a child but one thing that is usually left out of that statement is that at the time, Joe was also a child.

I do not believe everything that came out of Flora Hollars because she contradicted herself on some important points. Flora did say Joe is not a SO and that he did not molest Misty (or if he did, she "liked it"). I believe Flora on this because, IMO, if Joe was a SO I think Flora would have been eager to make a public statement about it. I question Flora's veracity in general, though, because of her statements that ranged from, "Misty would never hurt Haleigh," to, "Misty wanted Haleigh gone so she could have Ron all to herself."

As for Tommy, he does not strike me as a guy who could harm a child and then simply go about his normal routine. And I cannot forget how adamant he was in jail that he was not going to say someone did something that they didn't do, when speaking to Hank about LE having asked him about Joe.

I do think Tommy would come to his sister's aid if she hurt Haleigh. I believe Tommy and Misty would cover for each other. I also believe that Misty would cover for Ron, but Tommy wouldn't. Ron would cover for himself and his kin but not for anyone else, IMO. I do not think any of them would cover for Joe.

What we have a situation where Misty at first said she knew nothing, then started hinting toward Joe, then Tommy, and even said LE should look at Crystal's side, and once she was arrested she implicated Joe, then Tommy, then Tommy and Joe, than was back to just Joe, and finally stated she isn't sure.

With all this considered, I am in a place now where I have to look seriously at what Misty has not said rather than what she has said. Misty has not implicated herself, Ron, or anyone in Ron's family. In one jailhouse conversation she started in that direction, but stopped short.

Ron is now saying he agrees Misty is the key. He denied that up until the day he was forced to say it out loud. This, to me, is Ron's version of finger-pointing. He is in the hot seat now, so he has to come up with something and in his mind the best way to go is to follow LE's lead, i.e., "Misty is the key."

I agree Misty is the key, but I do not think Misty is the perp. I think Misty has withheld key information, and that may be all that LE ever meant by Misty is the key.

I think Ron is going to say (or is saying) that Joe did it and Misty was involved. My personal opinion is that, if anyone ever goes down for this, it will be Misty. And I believe when/if that happens, the truth will come out. Not that many will believe it, coming from Misty as it will, but it will be the truth nonetheless.

JMO.

Crackerjacks (LOL)

You're post was brilliant. Very well thought out... I absolutely agree with this. Thanks
 
IMO, if Ron and TN are not deeply involved in Haleigh's demise then they are considering her disappearance as little more than a large scale nuisance. It's as if they have other issues they don't want brought to light and this "Haleigh thing" has invaded their privacy.

Sorry to sound so crass but I do not know what else to think of those two! Either they (one, with the other in collusion) are the perps or they just plain resent the imposition. JMO.
 
great comments and suggestions regarding Junior...thanks..

If memory serves...and if TRUE...Ron said he took Haleigh to GMS that morning to get her some clothes to wear to school...and then he took her to school..IF Junior was with him Ron could have left him with GMS...as....IMO...Misty was at the Magnolia residence..and apparently NOT babysitting...that morning

The theory of the police officers...in the uniforms..and black shoes..coming at that late hour..COULD BE...like you say...Junior is remembering them...

IMO...IF Ron's home was staged...to look like an abduction..and the 911 cal was placed and the LE came...FOR MISTY..to "sell" her story and to say THEY were all sleeping, IMO...Junior would HAVE to be there.....wouldn't he???

TN showed up ..before/while the LE were there...Had Junior been with her...??? If he had been with GMS...was she at the MH..right before the call was made??? and she brought Junior with her...then left????....It would be interesting to know...WHO had Junior PRIOR to the 911 call?????..IMo...Junior was NOT with Misty...
all in my own opinion

Thanks for compiling all these notions and thoughts about Junior and his whereabouts.

To me, it does not make sense that Junior would be with Misty. Especially if she was at her parents former address on Magnolia that day. I doubt Misty saw Junior until it was time to set the 911 call in motion. I do think Ron had instructed her to make the call before he got home. That could account for some of his anger during the call.

With that in mind, Junior could have been brough to the mh on Green Lane, perhaps still asleep from Syke's place by either her or TN.

If the crew (Misty, bother Tommy and perhaps Jo) were busy desposing Haleigh and removing anything like drugs, guns or pot plants from Green, there is no way they would have Junior along. He probably started his day at GGM Sykes and was there until before 3 a.m. the following morning.

However, if any of this is true, it does mean GGM Sykes had first hand knowledge of what was going on. If she was the one to be keeping Junior and transfering him to Ron's house, she had to know the situation. To me, she wouldn't be involved unless she knew what was going on. jmo
 
If Ron and Misty were split at the time Haleigh got off the bus on Feb. 9 why would Misty pick her up?
 
If Ron and Misty were split at the time Haleigh got off the bus on Feb. 9 why would Misty pick her up?

IF we are to believe TN called Misty and offered her money to babysit and Misty stated there was no need to pay her and she would do it IF it was ok with Ronald then that could be the reason Misty picked her up that afternoon..
Wasn't it Chelsey who claimed TN offered to pay Misty to babysit? I would think IF Chelsey had that infor mation she was either with Misty when TN called or Misty called Chelsey and told her TN wanted her to babysit......And IF Chelsey had the van perhaps it was Chelsey who picked Haleigh up and took Haleigh over to Misty's parent's house..JMHO
 
Junior could very well recall the bouncing couch from another time. Kids that age don't miss much but they do not have a great concept for time. If he heard that ever, it might have stuck in his mind and the memory just came forth then when he was questioned. IF he actually said this--or anything--at all. Also, I agree LEOs could have squeaky shoes and their uniforms are very dark blue or black.

I do still question Junior's whereabouts that night/early morning. We never heard a peep from him during the 911 and with all the noise going on I would not expect a kid his age to sit quietly through it all. He could have been removed to another location by then but I doubt that as who could have done that between the time Ron got home and the 911 call was placed? According to R and M, Ron got home and 911 was called within a couple minutes.

I have wondered if maybe Jr. did hear the bouncing couch and maybe it was Sunday night-Monday AM? Maybe Misty and Ron had a quick encounter and later on had others come over for drugs/drinks? Maybe Jr. is thinking of what happen Sunday-Monday AM, instead of Monday night? I agree with what you said, Kids that age don't miss much but they do not have a great concept for time.
 
After the fight aournd mid-Aug, TN said she called in TM because Misty was "acting" crazy by refusing to be in the same room with Ron and going outside to talk on the phone so no one could hear. According to TM, Ron admitted to the "headless rat" as his way to test Misty's ability to lie to LE.

TM also said that Misty did not want to take any tests. One time Ron "talked" her into it and the other time TN "talked" her into it.

IMO, Ron only 'tested" Misty's lying ability to set her up to fail TM's tests to destroy her credibility. They were losing control of Misty so had to destroy her in case she did talk. I think Ron and TN "talkin Misty" her into it was forcing her to go with the story about Tommy/Joe while they were sitting right by to make sure she did.

BBM: I feel that Ron and his family threatened and pressured Misty into taking the tests because they knew that she would fail it if she stuck to "the plan" and she would become even more suspect to LE. It still pizzzzzzzzes me off that TM did not insist that the Cummings, Sykes and Neves take the test as well or all bets were off.
 
BBM: I feel that Ron and his family threatened and pressured Misty into taking the tests because they knew that she would fail it if she stuck to "the plan" and she would become even more suspect to LE. It still pizzzzzzzzes me off that TM did not insist that the Cummings, Sykes and Neves take the test as well or all bets were off.

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IMO.....Yes, I can see that as happening....You are right!...Misty went along with what they wanted...They USED her.....

But I think...IMO...the LE are focused..now...on Ron...
 
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