General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Nonni Brenda]

Ok, but Ron said he would kill whoever who did this, and honestly, if he found his daughter with a pedo, and killed him, I am pretty sure he probably wouldn't even get into trouble. So I just can't agree with that.

Yeah, but he's not in trouble for that...only the drug charges.:waitasec:

 

[lonetraveler]

Ok, but Ron said he would kill whoever who did this, and honestly, if he found his daughter with a pedo, and killed him, I am pretty sure he probably wouldn't even get into trouble. So I just can't agree with that.

Hummmmmm just the fact that we have statements around that at least two grown men spoke with Ron around 6 pm that night and that they stated that he was drunk, waving a gun and saying that he needed money and that he was going to rob a drug dealer tells me that he was not out looking for a pedophile to kill. The mystery remains as to why Ron desperately needed money the night that Haleigh disappeared. Was it to pay someone to dispose of her? Was it to have her cremated? Was it perhaps to get Haleigh back? Did he rob a drug dealer? If he did and then just went to work like everything was hunky dory and left two defenseless children alone at the MH then that is just as bad as harming them himself in my opinion!!!!!!!!! There was plenty of word out at that time that he did indeed rob a drug dealer and the story Ron told himself to Cobra about retrieving a hidden gun, cleaning it and then handing it over LE himself...............then we learn that there was an automatic (AK47 most likely) in Ron's possession but given over to someone in his family who belongs to a biker gang who much later on, takes it in to LE......................are you still with me? This loving father was actually a part of the Godfather story above............yep, one and the same. What the hell really happened that night or that month even? This man was into some deep dodo big time and now an innocent little girl is gone, most likely dead and disposed of like a piece of trash. Was her death a result of retaliation for something her very own father committed? How on earth can someone not see Ron Cummings for what he really is?

 

[lonetraveler]

Not to mention that whoever used that door for whatever they were taking out didn't even think to turn the light off to make it look as though someone intruded in that mobile home that night. It was get the stuff out of here because they will be searching the place. JMO

Oops........forgot to turn the light off.......kind of a biggie if you're trying to stage an abduction and you're supposed to be sleeping in the next room!

:seeya: Hi Baz! My take, yeah you knew I would have one, LOL, is that Misty was not there. Ron couldn't get up with Misty so he called Tommy to come over to help with the cleanup. Tommy didn't have a way or means to remove what needed to be moved during the cleanup of the MH so he called Timmy and asked for him to bring the van over to his house. Whoever in Timmy's household brought the van over, and yes FWIW I think it was Timmy, and Tommy and Timmy had their hands full of (________) trying to get it in the van. Please believe me I'm not making light of men but when they have a monumental task ahead and a very short timeline to get it done they are not going to worry about the last man out the door turning out the light, KWIM?

 

[dodie20]

It would be interesting to see everybody's cell phone records for that whole week. moo

 

[Nonni Brenda]

It would be interesting to see everybody's cell phone records for that whole week. moo

Which LE should have...they should know what happened!

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Ok, but Ron said he would kill whoever who did this, and honestly, if he found his daughter with a pedo, and killed him, I am pretty sure he probably wouldn't even get into trouble. So I just can't agree with that.

Chablis, I just had a thought (I know, strange ain't it?). What you said about the bolded part, Maybe LE and everyone else in PC know that is exacty what happened, that's why LE's investigation is so odd, and that is why the whole county are not raising He77 at the court house. They all know Haleigh was killed by a pedo, and that is why Ron killed him. :waitasec:

 

[Baznme]

It would be interesting to see everybody's cell phone records for that whole week. moo

I could be wrong but, I believe I remember someone saying (NG show) maybe?...that because they waited too long before asking for the cell phone records? That LE was on the trail of an abductor and after so long, the cell phone records are not accessible? I don't know......that's kind of fuzzy right now but, I believe that may be the case.

Nonni Brenda: That is food for thought but, I highly doubt that the entire Putnam County LE system would be willing to turn their head no matter who was killed or why. They would all lose their jobs if it ever came to the surface. Not to mention, I don't think they would be that forgiving of RC after all of what that gang has put them through over the past 2 years. Possible, but I don't think so.

 

[lonetraveler]

Chablis, I just had a thought (I know, strange ain't it?). What you said about the bolded part, Maybe LE and everyone else in PC know that is exacty what happened, that's why LE's investigation is so odd, and that is why the whole county are not raising He77 at the court house. They all know Haleigh was killed by a pedo, and that is why Ron killed him. :waitasec:

Ok Nonni I have had this thought for a long time and now I'm going to share it. There has been talk in the past about a Mexican being murdered around the same time that Haleigh disappeared or rather about the same time that Misty and Nay Nay and White Boy Greg and another girl reportedly visited a house with a lot of Mexicans and (someone) performed sex with the Mexicans for money. Well, my thought about any murder committed by Ron would be that Ron was getting back at the Mexicans due to something Misty may have claimed was done to her by them and not for what may have been done to Haleigh. However, if these Mexicans were the targeted "drug dealer" that Ron was wanting to rob (in Ron speak, murder in Misty's honor) then it would make sense to me that he felt so humiliated about Misty's activities the weekend she was "out and about" that he had to kill somebody. In the 911 call he is heard telling Misty something about it being her fault. I think he is talking about what he has done in retaliation for her actions and blaming her for the consequences of his actions. I can't swallow that someone would kill Haleigh for Ron's drug deals gone bad but I can see someone killing Haleigh in retaliation for Ron killing someone. But, I'm not going to debate this idea because I really believe that Haleigh died by Ron's own actions and not by someone else's hand.......but I'm open to discussion and believe it or not would look at another possibility if there were any supporting evidence to support it.

 

[4Jacy]

Hummmmmm just the fact that we have statements around that at least two grown men spoke with Ron around 6 pm that night and that they stated that he was drunk, waving a gun and saying that he needed money and that he was going to rob a drug dealer tells me that he was not out looking for a pedophile to kill. The mystery remains as to why Ron desperately needed money the night that Haleigh disappeared. Was it to pay someone to dispose of her? Was it to have her cremated? Was it perhaps to get Haleigh back? Did he rob a drug dealer? If he did and then just went to work like everything was hunky dory and left two defenseless children alone at the MH then that is just as bad as harming them himself in my opinion!!!!!!!!! There was plenty of word out at that time that he did indeed rob a drug dealer and the story Ron told himself to Cobra about retrieving a hidden gun, cleaning it and then handing it over LE himself...............then we learn that there was an automatic (AK47 most likely) in Ron's possession but given over to someone in his family who belongs to a biker gang who much later on, takes it in to LE......................are you still with me? This loving father was actually a part of the Godfather story above............yep, one and the same. What the hell really happened that night or that month even? This man was into some deep dodo big time and now an innocent little girl is gone, most likely dead and disposed of like a piece of trash. Was her death a result of retaliation for something her very own father committed? How on earth can someone not see Ron Cummings for what he really is?

So many, many, many thanks lone. Pure scum they are, pure scum (I hope I don't get in trouble for these thoughts.)

 

[Baznme]

:seeya: Hi Baz! My take, yeah you knew I would have one, LOL, is that Misty was not there. Ron couldn't get up with Misty so he called Tommy to come over to help with the cleanup. Tommy didn't have a way or means to remove what needed to be moved during the cleanup of the MH so he called Timmy and asked for him to bring the van over to his house. Whoever in Timmy's household brought the van over, and yes FWIW I think it was Timmy, and Tommy and Timmy had their hands full of (________) trying to get it in the van. Please believe me I'm not making light of men but when they have a monumental task ahead and a very short timeline to get it done they are not going to worry about the last man out the door turning out the light, KWIM?

Exactly. We're on the same page here but, I don't know about Timmy. I haven't had him in the picture at all as of yet. I don't even know why. Maybe that's the one that MC would protect with her life.

 

[lonetraveler]

Exactly. We're on the same page here but, I don't know about Timmy. I haven't had him in the picture at all as of yet. I don't even know why. Maybe that's the one that MC would protect with her life.

That's just it! Misty is protecting Timmy with her very life. I am not saying that Timmy was involved with the death of Haleigh, just invovled with the cleanup efforts with Tommy. I don't think that Misty knew anything about that night until Tommy went by his parent's home after returning from the cleanup and finally managed to wake her up and took her over to Ron's Mh prior to returning to his own home at around 2 am in the morning. I do believe that Misty called Timmy that morning after finding out bit by bit that Haleigh was gone (when she was seen crying and walking outside of the MH that early morning). I do believe that Timmy already knew that something really bad went down because he had helped Tommy prior.

 

[Baznme]

That's just it! Misty is protecting Timmy with her very life. I am not saying that Timmy was involved with the death of Haleigh, just invovled with the cleanup efforts with Tommy. I don't think that Misty knew anything about that night until Tommy went by his parent's home after returning from the cleanup and finally managed to wake her up and took her over to Ron's Mh prior to returning to his own home at around 2 am in the morning. I do believe that Misty called Timmy that morning after finding out bit by bit that Haleigh was gone (when she was seen crying and walking outside of the MH that early morning). I do believe that Timmy already knew that something really bad went down because he had helped Tommy prior.

Add to that the van in the driveway is now damaged (Timmy's) and Chelsea is now apologizing to Joe for "doubting him"? It all fits, doesn't it?

 

[suspicious1]

Ok Nonni I have had this thought for a long time and now I'm going to share it. There has been talk in the past about a Mexican being murdered around the same time that Haleigh disappeared or rather about the same time that Misty and Nay Nay and White Boy Greg and another girl reportedly visited a house with a lot of Mexicans and (someone) performed sex with the Mexicans for money. Well, my thought about any murder committed by Ron would be that Ron was getting back at the Mexicans due to something Misty may have claimed was done to her by them and not for what may have been done to Haleigh. However, if these Mexicans were the targeted "drug dealer" that Ron was wanting to rob (in Ron speak, murder in Misty's honor) then it would make sense to me that he felt so humiliated about Misty's activities the weekend she was "out and about" that he had to kill somebody. In the 911 call he is heard telling Misty something about it being her fault. I think he is talking about what he has done in retaliation for her actions and blaming her for the consequences of his actions. I can't swallow that someone would kill Haleigh for Ron's drug deals gone bad but I can see someone killing Haleigh in retaliation for Ron killing someone. But, I'm not going to debate this idea because I really believe that Haleigh died by Ron's own actions and not by someone else's hand.......but I'm open to discussion and believe it or not would look at another possibility if there were any supporting evidence to support it.

Lone, I can see someone killing Haleigh in retalliation for Ron killing someone too. It makes me think about what Ron said regarding Junior being left unharmed..."imagine that"...

That's why I'm starting to think that LE feels Misty is the key....not the one with direct knowledge of what happened to Haleigh but having direct knowledge of the events that led up to whatever happened to Haleigh....My guess is that Misty was the common denominator between whoever it was feuding the day that Haleigh disappeared and in my opinion it was Ron/Croslins against someone else....

Another thing that I thought about was: If Ron was threatening to rob a drug dealer, I wonder what it was that he was trying to take from him? pills? crack cocaine? marijuana plants? just a thought....Maybe that's where the marijuana plants came from especially if there was no sign of the equipment used to grow them at the mh, kwim? They had to be grown somewhere. And my guess is Tommy knew all about the marijuana plants because he was probably in on the robbery that went bad...jmo

 

[suspicious1]

Wasn't part of Ron's deal was him admitting to a fight? How could that possbily help the investigation unless the fight is the reason that Haleigh is no longer with us?

Ron had bruises...Ron had to clean his weapon prior to handing it over to LE....Ron so lovingly had forgiven Misty about her sex and drug filled weekend...something is wrong here. So who did Ron fight with? that's the question.

 

[Whisperer]

Ron denied the fight ever happened when his mom said there was a fight. Misty said there was a fight over a gun with her cousin. Ron flat-out denied it on TV. However, we heard him talk about a fight with JO to Cobra. Was ron playing Cobra? We will never know.

There was a fight..when, where and with whom is the question. I can be very sure the tale he told Cobra was not correct regarding when it occured.

I cannot see ron forgiving nor understanding misty's adventurous weekend w/WBG. He wanted to come across as an understanding person but he isn't. Now why did he say that the affair was no problem. I say it was a problem...a BIG problem. This may be the reason Haleigh is missing. Misty may have told an untrue story regarding the happenings at the drug house with the Mexicans and what really happened there. RC may have paid them a visit.

Maybe THAT is where he banged up his hand....

 

[dodie20]

Ron denied the fight ever happened when his mom said there was a fight. Misty said there was a fight over a gun with her cousin. Ron flat-out denied it on TV. However, we heard him talk about a fight with JO to Cobra. Was ron playing Cobra? We will never know.

There was a fight..when, where and with whom is the question. I can be very sure the tale he told Cobra was not correct regarding when it occured.

I cannot see ron forgiving nor understanding misty's adventurous weekend w/WBG. He wanted to come across as an understanding person but he isn't. Now why did he say that the affair was no problem. I say it was a problem...a BIG problem. This may be the reason Haleigh is missing. Misty may have told an untrue story regarding the happenings at the drug house with the Mexicans and what really happened there. RC may have paid them a visit.

Maybe THAT is where he banged up his hand....

There are just too many coincidences that can't all be coincidences, starting with Misty's weekend. The timing is too pat, to not be related. I never believed that those 2 sat up all night working out their problems...I think Ron was mad and embarrassed & he wanted to save face. But, let me say this. Young people aren't like us old folks. This is what I see from my daughter's friends...the jilted party is hurt, swears to never take the offender back, pulls a good drunk, there's usually some sort of scuffle between the jilted & the 'other' girl/guy, the bf will call the other girl a psycho s***, or the gf will call the other guy another word for wimp, & then all's good, & back together the lovebirds get. So, I think it's more than likely that Ron took Misty back without much hesitation. After this case broke, he sure didn't act like he was mad at her...& he still doesn't, according to the last I read. BUT, & this is a BIG BUT...I remember in a taped call, Tommy telling his dad something to the effect of Ron's jealousy over Misty, being part of the problem. I need to go back & listen but it seems like he said this wouldn't have happened otherwise. But this is Tommy, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. On the other hand, it may have been Tommy thinking that if Ron hadn't been so worried about what Misty was doing, he wouldn't have called him, so therefore he wouldn't have found the kids alone, etc, etc...honestly, that's how I interpret it...Tommy blaming Ron's jealousy for what he, himself did, but I could be wrong. MOO.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't believe there was any fight over any stolen gun. I believe that one of the Croslins/Overstreet took the gun away from RC because he was flailing it around and they didn't wan't anyone hurt. Of course, to save face, rc comes up with a story about his gun being stolen.

I do not believe they were together as a couple on Feb 9. Whatever happened to Haleigh brought ron and misty togethere. Misty acted coached to speak of "their" family behaviors. All was said and done to make rc appear like a great family man. This was and is paramont to this entire case...combined with custody of JR.

Having custody and speaking as if they all were similar to the Walton's was their goal. I hear it in almost every interview done by rc, as, tn and misty. This was important to get that out there. Was it to cover for a crime or just cover for an inadequate parent.

Ron Cummings muddies the waters in this investigation. His behavior throws a curve in every hypothesis. Clearly, we all would have a much easier time with this if it weren't for his actions. Why did he cover for Misty? Why did he protect Misty? We see this behavior with Billie Dunn and it is obvious but why is it not obvious w/ron cummings?

 

[Whisperer]

Ron Cummings seeks revenge on ANY one who harms him in any way. Heck, he even called the LE when he was disrespected on a telephone call. I did not see any of his revenge seeking ways regarding Haleigh. Why? It leaves one with the opinion that he knows exactly what happened and has dealt with it, whatever that is.

What really bothers me about ron was in the 911 call when he made the announcement that he is not afraid of prison. I think, at some point, he knew he was going there...and I doubt it was for the revenge killing of a perpetuator...as he never used or had his gun in his hand when LE arrived. He wasn't running around flailing it when his DD was missing when he alledgedly got home at 3:27am...(which I also do not believe was the time he arrived home). Instead he was helpless, sitting on the ground in front of his house and not able to speak for his daughter when she needed her father. He appeared to be grieving.

No, RC knew he was going to wind up in prison eventually but not for the murder of an unknown perp who stole his daughter.

 

[dodie20]

I don't believe there was any fight over any stolen gun. I believe that one of the Croslins/Overstreet took the gun away from RC because he was flailing it around and they didn't wan't anyone hurt. Of course, to save face, rc comes up with a story about his gun being stolen.

I do not believe they were together as a couple on Feb 9. Whatever happened to Haleigh brought ron and misty togethere. Misty acted coached to speak of "their" family behaviors. All was said and done to make rc appear like a great family man. This was and is paramont to this entire case...combined with custody of JR.

Having custody and speaking as if they all were similar to the Walton's was their goal. I hear it in almost every interview done by rc, as, tn and misty. This was important to get that out there. Was it to cover for a crime or just cover for an inadequate parent.

Ron Cummings muddies the waters in this investigation. His behavior throws a curve in every hypothesis. Clearly, we all would have a much easier time with this if it weren't for his actions. Why did he cover for Misty? Why did he protect Misty? We see this behavior with Billie Dunn and it is obvious but why is it not obvious w/ron cummings?

part of the reason it's obvious with BD, is because she's SA's lone cheerleader. In this case, Ron + everybody in his family, jumped on the Misty bandwagon. I don't know if they were being sincere, but from the outside looking in, I can't imagine a worse case scenario for a live in babysitter. Even if Misty wasn't mean, she was young, on drugs, etc...also, we see women covering for their no good bfs all the time. I don't get the whys, but they do. It's not very often that we see a man cover for his gf. But Ron is different than most men, & him covering for Misty is a theory I've never really let go of. Most people think he's too self centered or would've killed her, but I'm not so sure. Didn't he tell Cobra he loved that S O *? Actually, Misty being offered immunity just made that theory a little more likely, IMO...but I don't believe Ron would've covered for her if there hadn't been something in it for him. Do you think it's likely that LE knows Misty's the perp but can't prove it, so they offered her immunity, in exchange for Haleigh's body? She's got 25 years, & regardless of what she might have done, she was just a teenager, & that same 25 years, might be about what she would've gotten anyway. MOO.

 

[lil momma]

Chablis, I just had a thought (I know, strange ain't it?). What you said about the bolded part, Maybe LE and everyone else in PC know that is exacty what happened, that's why LE's investigation is so odd, and that is why the whole county are not raising He77 at the court house. They all know Haleigh was killed by a pedo, and that is why Ron killed him. :waitasec:

Hi Nonni!

I agree with what is being said, but i would think that IF Ron killed a pedo, why can't they just label the case along with HaLeigh's as justifiable homicide and be done with it?

Are there any attorney's out there that can help explain????? lol