General theory thread and motives rehashed #4

[Eileen730]

The FBI stayed on the Casey Anthony case. I was chuckeling when they were doing all those interviews. They sat back and let Cindy, Casey, George and Lee ramble on.

They were profiling and I was ecstatic. Saying that, I assume Orlando PD asked for their help. They had a BIG liar on their hands with Casey...and home grown nuts and liars with the rest of the family. They also had evidence.

Speaking of evidence, what is up with that? Is there absolutely no evidence?

Putnam could have utilized their help..but they had to ask. I ,again, am assumiing they had to ask because Caylee was not known to have crossed any State lines so why were the FBI involved?. :banghead:

I dont know! I really dont! I know they can stay on a crim when they find something on the suspects computer maybe incriminating them i wonder whats on the fbi web site let me go look. I think there is something there that tells when they get involved.

 

[Whisperer]

Child abuse killed Haleigh Cummings, imo. It was not a a gun with messy blood splatter, this was a classic case of a druggie having a kid, and killing it with his hands or fist, and we all know from Annette that Haleigh was "hard to handle" at times. Ron Cummings is not the compassionate loving tender nurturing father that his family has tried to make him out to be, there is not one indication on that, I mean this guy was trying to get Crystals sister to physically hit a woman carrying his child, that is disgusting, and how anyone defends that is beyond me.

I think I am one of the only ones who think LE have done their jobs here, they can only do so much with people who wont talk. And even if he gets out, he will be right back in, because they will have his eye on him. This guy was caught in a cemetery with a very young Hope Sykes...... this case is probably more twisted than meets the eye.... I bet its very dark.

I think Hope would be able to separate herself from the extremity of Haleigh being dead based on the fact that she isn't a mother herself. If its going to hurt two people, Misty could have been talking about Ron and Hope.

I think LE did what they thought they could do. They gave them one year to talk and they didn't so they rounded them up. I am grateful for that, don't get me wrong.

I have been pretty locked in on Misty from day 1. ron came later when he married the suspect and hired a Defense Attorney and I saw the tape of his first interview. He was grieving that day, not curious but resigned. Then I have the question, How many grieving fathers hire Defense Attorneys? Of course ron is a zebra on a horse pasture but still...

My opinion ron just didn't want to be bothered by the police anymore. He was fiished and had accepted Haleigh was gone forever and these pesky LE were bugging him. OTOH..Haleigh could have died by his hands but I still can't place him there. LE won't give us a bone to chew on concerning ron. Misty I can place there. She wants to be placed there and I am accomodating her wishes.

I thought misty meant ron and herself when she told Chelsea it will hurt two people if she talks.

 

[Eileen730]

This i found for starters!


If a child is missing and possibly kidnapped, but no interstate transportation is known, will the FBI begin an investigation?

Yes, the FBI will initiate a kidnapping investigation involving a missing child "of tender years" even though there is no known interstate aspect. Tender years is generally defined as a child twelve years or younger. The FBI will monitor other kidnapping situations when there is no evidence of interstate travel, and it offers assistance from various entities including the FBI Laboratory.Source: http://www.fbi.gov/aboutus/faqs/faqsone.htm

 

[Eileen730]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/cac



This is what the fbi investigates on missing children.

What i understand is they come in in the beginning when child is missing after that local LE takes over and the fbi need to be asked for help and the fbi offers all its services....

I guess PCSO never asked for help.

when TN and GGS asked for the fbi to help it was almost a year after Haleigh went missing.
imagine that!!!!1

 

[Eileen730]

I think LE did what they thought they could do. They gave them one year to talk and they didn't so they rounded them up. I am grateful for that, don't get me wrong.

I have been pretty locked in on Misty from day 1. ron came later when he married the suspect and hired a Defense Attorney and I saw the tape of his first interview. He was grieving that day, not curious but resigned. Then I have the question, How many grieving fathers hire Defense Attorneys? Of course ron is a zebra on a horse pasture but still...

My opinion ron just didn't want to be bothered by the police anymore. He was fiished and had accepted Haleigh was gone forever and these pesky LE were bugging him. OTOH..Haleigh could have died by his hands but I still can't place him there. LE won't give us a bone to chew on concerning ron. Misty I can place there. She wants to be placed there and I am accomodating her wishes.

I thought misty meant ron and herself when she told Chelsea it will hurt two people if she talks.

I have a hard time calling Ronald a FATHER! I think the harm came to haleigh before he ever left for work. Misty was his victim also he needed someone to toss under that croslin bus!

dont get me wrong Misty belongs right where she is!
Misty was under rons controll for a very long time he is as bad as a pedophille if ya ask me him and his underaged girlfriends. Some ppl have him with her from the time she was 14....

 

[tiki21]

I think LE did what they thought they could do. They gave them one year to talk and they didn't so they rounded them up. I am grateful for that, don't get me wrong.

I have been pretty locked in on Misty from day 1. ron came later when he married the suspect and hired a Defense Attorney and I saw the tape of his first interview. He was grieving that day, not curious but resigned. Then I have the question, How many grieving fathers hire Defense Attorneys? Of course ron is a zebra on a horse pasture but still...

My opinion ron just didn't want to be bothered by the police anymore. He was fiished and had accepted Haleigh was gone forever and these pesky LE were bugging him. OTOH..Haleigh could have died by his hands but I still can't place him there. LE won't give us a bone to chew on concerning ron. Misty I can place there. She wants to be placed there and I am accomodating her wishes.

I thought misty meant ron and herself when she told Chelsea it will hurt two people if she talks.

i've always thought it was either ron and tommy OR ron and timmy
i think she has completely displaced herself.. IMO she doesn't see herself as involved

 

[Dr. Know?]

The FBI stayed on the Casey Anthony case. I was chuckeling when they were doing all those interviews. They sat back and let Cindy, Casey, George and Lee ramble on.

They were profiling and I was ecstatic. Saying that, I assume Orlando PD asked for their help. They had a BIG liar on their hands with Casey...and home grown nuts and liars with the rest of the family. They also had evidence.

Speaking of evidence, what is up with that? Is there absolutely no evidence?

Putnam could have utilized their help..but they had to ask. I ,again, am assumiing they had to ask because Caylee was not known to have crossed any State lines so why were the FBI involved?. :banghead:

The FBI has C.A.R.D. that responed when Haleigh went missing if I remember correctly. They were involved and possibly still are. The end of the article explains what they do.

CARD Teams are primarily involved in non-family child abductions, ransom child abductions, and mysterious disappearances of children. They work with state and local law enforcement to protect and save the lives of innocent children.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/cac/card

 

[Eileen730]

i've always thought it was either ron and tommy OR ron and timmy
i think she has completely displaced herself.. IMO she doesn't see herself as involved

Sometimes when ppl tell too many lies they start believeing them!

 

[Nonni Brenda]

There was ONE or TWO famous reporters that showed up., smooth operator. Geraldo and Greta! Greta showed us a ghost town. No neighbors to talk with; no Lookers on the streets. One gets the sense they were all behind their drapes peering at the media trucks but not dare showing their faces.

Look what happened when Geraldo showed in Satsuma! He could have helped this case significantly. He is from Fox News..my goodness. Did you see the wagons circling him? Did you hear them and watch them follow him? That is a taste of what this family is like. They literally ran Geraldo Rivera out of town...now that is power! I noticed that is how tightly knit these bandits are. I also imagine people who live there didn't like it one bit but backed the Cummings. After all, they were protecting the insiders from any form of scrutiny. Not one person stood up and told Geraldo anything after that. They let Geraldo go on his way.

He may have been able to bring this case to a national spotlight and that would have put pressure on the players. IMO, the people in that area are glad all the "fuss" is over.

You're right about Geraldo being able to help with this case. I wonder, the witness you mentioned above that worked at PDM and no longer works there. Do we know where he is now, is he still in Satsuma? If he has left town, would it be possible for a good reporter, Geraldo, Greta, JVM, someone find him now and talk to him again? If he is in a safe place now, he may be willing to tell more, if he knows more; and he probably does. Of course, Geraldo may not be able to, depending on how the Cummings family got rid of him, like a restraining order etc. I don't know much about those things.
Wish some good investigative reporter would go back and interview these people who are not afraid to talk. Surely there are some out there.

 

[Chablis]

I think LE did what they thought they could do. They gave them one year to talk and they didn't so they rounded them up. I am grateful for that, don't get me wrong.

I have been pretty locked in on Misty from day 1. ron came later when he married the suspect and hired a Defense Attorney and I saw the tape of his first interview. He was grieving that day, not curious but resigned. Then I have the question, How many grieving fathers hire Defense Attorneys? Of course ron is a zebra on a horse pasture but still...

My opinion ron just didn't want to be bothered by the police anymore. He was fiished and had accepted Haleigh was gone forever and these pesky LE were bugging him. OTOH..Haleigh could have died by his hands but I still can't place him there. LE won't give us a bone to chew on concerning ron. Misty I can place there. She wants to be placed there and I am accomodating her wishes.

I thought misty meant ron and herself when she told Chelsea it will hurt two people if she talks.

If he truly had nothing to do with his daughter going missing, he would not just roll over accept it to make the cops go away. I dont believe that at all. This is a guy who wanted to pay Crystals sister, to beat up someone who was carrying his child. Misty said she told him she was pregnant, and he rolled her into a ball, as if to try to make her ABORT. Ron could have very left work, and the cops arent pleased with his story as he told Cobra.

If this child would have been truly abducted, it may have actually shook Ronald to sobriety.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Child abuse killed Haleigh Cummings, imo. It was not a a gun with messy blood splatter, this was a classic case of a druggie having a kid, and killing it with his hands or fist, and we all know from Annette that Haleigh was "hard to handle" at times. Ron Cummings is not the compassionate loving tender nurturing father that his family has tried to make him out to be, there is not one indication on that, I mean this guy was trying to get Crystals sister to physically hit a woman carrying his child, that is disgusting, and how anyone defends that is beyond me.

I think I am one of the only ones who think LE have done their jobs here, they can only do so much with people who wont talk. And even if he gets out, he will be right back in, because they will have his eye on him. This guy was caught in a cemetery with a very young Hope Sykes...... this case is probably more twisted than meets the eye.... I bet its very dark.

I think Hope would be able to separate herself from the extremity of Haleigh being dead based on the fact that she isn't a mother herself. If its going to hurt two people, Misty could have been talking about Ron and Hope.

Chablis, I too have fealt that LE has done all they can, at one time. But looking back, I see so many things they did wrong, soooo many. They would have to be the most inept LE agency in the world to have honestly made all these mistakes, IMO.
And I agree with you that they can't make anyone tell the truth. What makes me question LE's ability, or their sincerity in doing their job is: there are so many people that most of us suspect had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance and/or coverup that LE has not even asked the hard questions of, as far as we know.
They seem to have taken AS, TN, and others, at their word, never questioning the many lies and changes they have made in their story. And have they even questioned Ron's dad, uncle?
To me it is obvious that le does not want to solve this case. This is just my opinion, but it is a strong one.

 

[Emeralgem]

IMO. I don't believe for a second LE has done everything they could do to solve this case..JMHO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

IMO. I don't believe for a second LE has done everything they could do to solve this case..JMHO

I agree totally, Em. And I don't believe they are as stupid as they are looking. So...what else is there??? JMO:waitasec:

 

[krkrjx]

The person who told AH about rc and his talking to misty and telling her to "just whip her or put in a dvd", also told that misty was calling and complaining about Haleigh and not being able to get her to got to sleep. He no longer is employed by PDM. IIRC, he was gone very soon after this case broke. Now I don't know the reason he left but it sure does raise some flags.

Wow, it certainly does raise flags!

I recall vaguely some talk about issues with the PDM check-in/sign-in system for a time period that included February 9, 2009. It had been reported that something about the system wasn't working properly. Then, that system was replaced with another system that was more advanced, but I am not sure in what way(s). Again my recall is vague, but wasn't the new system one that read a fingerprint or photo of the employee as they checked-in or out of work? The new system was put in place not long after the night in question, I do remember that much.

I wonder if the employee who reportedly told of these issues with the check-in system is the same employee Whisperer is referring to, the one who spoke of the phone calls, the one who for whatever reason left his employment with the company shortly after Haleigh disappeared.

 

[Emeralgem]

I agree totally, Em. And I don't believe they are as stupid as they are looking. So...what else is there??? JMO:waitasec:

Power and arrogance ..JMHO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Power and arrogance ..JMHO

Exactly...the same power and arrogance I see in RC, TN, and AS.

 

[tiki21]

Wow, it certainly does raise flags!

I recall vaguely some talk about issues with the PDM check-in/sign-in system for a time period that included February 9, 2009. It had been reported that something about the system wasn't working properly. Then, that system was replaced with another system that was more advanced, but I am not sure in what way(s). Again my recall is vague, but wasn't the new system one that read a fingerprint or photo of the employee as they checked-in or out of work? The new system was put in place not long after the night in question, I do remember that much.

I wonder if the employee who reportedly told of these issues with the check-in system is the same employee Whisperer is referring to, the one who spoke of the phone calls, the one who for whatever reason left his employment with the company shortly after Haleigh disappeared.

i believe the new timeclock system requires a fingerprint

IMO this was a direct result of the disappearance of haleigh

someone spoke up saying that Ron would leave and my guess is, this was confirmed.. and the reason for the more stringent system JMO

 

[Dr. Know?]

As far as evidence found at the blue MH, I don't think they found anything other than to disprove what Misty told them & the B&E. They spent around 3 weeks in that mh before turning it back over to RC.

I still think that Hank Sr. & Lisa's home was not known about for some time since they moved into Tommy's so quickly after Haleigh went missing. I don't know for sure but wouldn't doubt that the Magnolia home wasn't brought up at the start of this case. The jail call of Tommy's to Hank & Lisa about the Shell Harbor search, April, 2010, where he told them their old house was being searched, seemed to surprise Lisa and that's why I wonder....

 

[krkrjx]

As far as evidence found at the blue MH, I don't think they found anything other than to disprove what Misty told them & the B&E. They spent around 3 weeks in that mh before turning it back over to RC.

I still think that Hank Sr. & Lisa's home was not known about for some time since they moved into Tommy's so quickly after Haleigh went missing. I don't know for sure but wouldn't doubt that the Magnolia home wasn't brought up at the start of this case. The jail call of Tommy's to Hank & Lisa about the Shell Harbor search, April, 2010, where he told them their old house was being searched, seemed to surprise Lisa and that's why I wonder....

I agree LE may not have known about Magnolia on Day One but with due diligence would have have known long before the Shell Harbor search over a year after the crime. IOW, in time to search and retrieve evidence if any was there, IMO.

I remember the conversation where Tommy told Lisa of the search being conducted at Shell Harbor dock and surrounding area. I do not recall him saying the Magnolia home itself was being searched, only that the search area was such that the entire area was off limits to spectators to the point where there was no access to their former home. I think Lisa was surprised to hear the search was vast enough to make Magnolia Lane temporarily inaccessible to the public.

JMO, and I could be wrong.

 

[Cross Creek]

When I saw the Geraldo interview with Ron asking if he was involved with drugs and he got so defensive (a sure sign of guilt) And when TN, AS and the rest of the bunch gathered around (mob mentality ) I feel like TN's boyfriend "J" is heavily involved in whatever criminal activities this bunch was in. I find it strange that he didn't accompany TN to the trailer when Haleigh went missing. Was it left to him to dispose of the body? I think the whole Cummings family & "boyfriends" should be questioned and polygraphed.

Where are Hank, Lisa and Lindsy now? Are they in Daytona Beach with TiC & CC?