General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[Emeralgem]

Don't be so fast there thinking better of CA. CA didn't report Caylee missing till she was forced into it. If that car hadn't been towed, I doubt we would have heard anything.

The car was in the parents name. Cindy didn't want LE to think SHE, herself, was responsible for the smell in the car. AND, imo, this was the only reason she called. In fact, it was the last call she made. She waited till their was an alibi mentioned by casey before she mentioned her grandaughter.

If CA wanted to find casey and her grandaughter, she could have picked up the phone and called LE and told them her car was stolen on day one or two. Nope, cindy was covering the entire time....and, imo, would have kept covering for her if the tow yard didn't get custody of that car.

Their styles may differ, but pathologies are the same.

I agree....
O/T Where in the world have you been? I have missed you..

 

[titanfan62702]

bbm, which "tests"? And what "tests" showed she was lying? No I don't believe she told the truth, and I didn't post that. ? Not sure what you mean. The "tests" showed nothing however imo. One "test" was hypnosis and they said later iirc that she was not hypnotized so there were no results afaik. The other "test" imo was a BOGUS machine that shows nothing whatsoever. JMO So one invalid/inaccurate "test". JMO

Got it. Everything that Misty said about AS being there that night means nothing. If LE is really using that "visit" as part of their timeline, no wonder they can't solve this case.

 

[titanfan62702]

Another question has come up from the other thread. If there had been survilence cameras along the route that AS took, then it should have shown who took HaLeigh. Too convenient that only AS was shown.

And regarding Ron, wasn't the survilence camera report a rumor that showed he left worked before he claimed? Whether I believe it to be fact, I sure wouldn't report it as such, camera or not.

 

[lonetraveler]

This article contains questions asked on one of the Polys conducted with Misty Croslin and the resulting scores.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-tampa-bay/ronald-cummings-father-of-
haleigh-cummings-speaks-about-misty-croslin-and-lie-detector-tests-video

"Misty Croslin told Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch that she wanted to clear her name, but he said she failed the test miserably. Misty Croslin-Cummings was asked four questions on August 19, 2009. Here are the questions and Misty’s results:

Question: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh's disappearance?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know what happened to Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know where Haleigh is now?
Answer: No
Result: 95% Deception
Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 42% deception

I guess this is what "failing miserably" means.

 

[lonetraveler]

There was another Poly given to Misty at the time of the letters that Misty sent out regarding the "Joe and Tommy came over and Joe took Haleigh" story. According to the link, Misty was asked specific questions concerning her "Joe and Tommy" story and was shown to be deceptive. The actual questions are not revealed.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/03/26...lin-flunks-secret-police-polygraph/#idc-cover

 

[Flossie JMO]

This article contains questions asked on one of the Polys conducted with Misty Croslin and the resulting scores.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-tampa-bay/ronald-cummings-father-of-
haleigh-cummings-speaks-about-misty-croslin-and-lie-detector-tests-video

"Misty Croslin told Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch that she wanted to clear her name, but he said she failed the test miserably. Misty Croslin-Cummings was asked four questions on August 19, 2009. Here are the questions and Misty’s results:

Question: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh's disappearance?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know what happened to Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know where Haleigh is now?
Answer: No
Result: 95% Deception
Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 42% deception

I guess this is what "failing miserably" means.

Link didn't work for me, however, that's not from a polygraph, that's TJ Ward's machine iirc. And 42% deception, 95% deception etc? insane IMO

 

[lonetraveler]

This article contains questions asked on one of the Polys conducted with Misty Croslin and the resulting scores.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-tampa-bay/ronald-cummings-father-of-
haleigh-cummings-speaks-about-misty-croslin-and-lie-detector-tests-video

"Misty Croslin told Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch that she wanted to clear her name, but he said she failed the test miserably. Misty Croslin-Cummings was asked four questions on August 19, 2009. Here are the questions and Misty’s results:

Question: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh's disappearance?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know what happened to Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know where Haleigh is now?
Answer: No
Result: 95% Deception
Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 42% deception

I guess this is what "failing miserably" means.

Trying to fix the link:

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-ta...ut-misty-croslin-and-lie-detector-tests-video

 

[Flossie JMO]

There was another Poly given to Misty at the time of the letters that Misty sent out regarding the "Joe and Tommy came over and Joe took Haleigh" story. According to the link, Misty was asked specific questions concerning her "Joe and Tommy" story and was shown to be deceptive. The actual questions are not revealed.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/03/26...lin-flunks-secret-police-polygraph/#idc-cover

JMO what a strange article. Questions and answers not revealed, and not confirmed by PCSO. And done by a "private examiner" who works a day job in community policing for JSO, and not confirmed by anyone from what I see? who's the source of that story? sounds like Chelsea JMO

 

[Flossie JMO]

Trying to fix the link:

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-ta...ut-misty-croslin-and-lie-detector-tests-video

Thanks that link worked. TJ Ward I believe. afaik the "layered voice analysis" has not been scientifically established in any court. And last I read, in 2008, and there may be more recent info, he is the only private investigator in all of the US that is "licensed" to use this machine? Nonsense JMO

What is 42% or 95% deception supposed to mean? Brings to mind a "little bit" pregnant. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

Misty’s original poly was taken when Ronald Cummings took his. There have been numerous articles over the last two years discussing Ronald and Misty’s polys taken immediately following Haleigh’s disappearance. Ronald stated on Nancy Grace’s show that he passed his with flying colors and that Misty had passed hers as well. Since then there have been discussions that both Ronald and Misty’s polys were “inconclusive”. Since then as far as we know, Ronald has not taken another poly. However, Misty, as far as has been published took the original “inconclusive” one based upon the “I was asleep and Haleigh was abducted” story.
http://www.artharris.com/2010/03/26...lin-flunks-secret-police-polygraph/#idc-cover

“After Haleigh turned up missing, Misty Croslin told me in an exclusive interview she had taken a police polygraph and claimed to have passed, but police say that one was inconclusive—and there were no Tommy and Joe stories to vet at the time.”

Then, we were allowed to hear and watch all the explicit details of that evening and morning per the “Lie Detection Tests” arranged by Tim Miller. LE were interested enough to obtain the test information and results for their investigation, although the tests showed deception on the original story.

Since then, the story has morphed into the “Tommy and Joe” story. Now, we have information involving another poly reportedly arranged by LE based upon letters written by Misty. LE needed this poly to compare to the other polys to further their investigation. Misty reportedly showed deception for the “Joe and Tommy story” as well.

Next, we have the “Private poly” arranged by Tommy’s attorney and PI SB. This was a version of the “Tommy and Joe” story as described by Tommy. Tommy’s story was relayed to LE by Tommy’s attorney and PI SB and LE’s reaction was to immediately start the search at the Shell Harbor boat ramp. It makes you wonder if the actual poly test with the resulting answers were shared or just a narration of the latest story. About all we know at this point is that the search did not result in any evidence that led to an arrest or to Haleigh’s remains. We do know that Tommy’s wife started divorce proceedings immediately. Something else that we also know is that LE was totally pizzzzzzzed at Misty and Tommy and that now they are serving a very hefty sentence for their efforts to sabotage the entire case, not to mention that Florida picked up a very expensive tab for the search.

So, the original story as recited by Misty was shown, IMO, to be deceptive. The “Joe did it” story was also shown to be deceptive by both Tommy and Misty. Since Ronald did not take another poly, we have no idea what his answers would have shown. Personally, I think that the “inconclusive” description is due to Ronald and Misty being under the influence at the time the tests were conducted.

Misty has been grasping at straws since day one, trying to find a story that will fit. I don’t’ think that Misty knows the truth about what happened to Haleigh because she wasn’t there. She only knows what she has been told happened and told the story that she must tell…………JMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Another question has come up from the other thread. If there had been survilence cameras along the route that AS took, then it should have shown who took HaLeigh. Too convenient that only AS was shown.

And regarding Ron, wasn't the survilence camera report a rumor that showed he left worked before he claimed? Whether I believe it to be fact, I sure wouldn't report it as such, camera or not.

It would be nice if LE had been able to check any surveillance video of GGM's route that evening. I don't think that the convenience store video of Ronald buying his beer and nuts helps his alibi at all. Actually it calls question to why he was so casual and non-chalant about getting home when he stayed on his cell phone most of the night trying to find Misty.........strange..

 

[GER]

Living here in Putnam county Florida for over 25 plus years... I can assure you that there are NO SURVEILLANCE cameras, such as along any of the streets that one travels. The ONLY camera's available are the ones that are INSIDE the convenience stores and that's for their security such as being possibly robbed. Since HaLeigh's disappearance there have been SOME camera's installed at SOME businesses in PALATKA. In Satsuma and Welaka... NO.

 

[GER]

I would also like to direct anyone who may question the lack of security camera's along any route of road here...to my actual photos that I posted on here. Thank you.

 

[titanfan62702]

It would be nice if LE had been able to check any surveillance video of GGM's route that evening. I don't think that the convenience store video of Ronald buying his beer and nuts helps his alibi at all. Actually it calls question to why he was so casual and non-chalant about getting home when he stayed on his cell phone most of the night trying to find Misty.........strange..

ITA... Somehow I doubt GGM would want us to know her supposedly route and who was in the car with her coming & going IF she was anywhere near that MH. Yikes, it might actually provide a real time.

As far as Ron, why does he need a detailed alibi that doesn't make sense?

 

[dodie20]

There was another Poly given to Misty at the time of the letters that Misty sent out regarding the "Joe and Tommy came over and Joe took Haleigh" story. According to the link, Misty was asked specific questions concerning her "Joe and Tommy" story and was shown to be deceptive. The actual questions are not revealed.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/03/26...lin-flunks-secret-police-polygraph/#idc-cover

Thanks for posting this. According to the article, Misty's first LDT was inconclusive. When taken with the report that Ron failed his LDT, it seems that she would have been better off, following his lead and just sticking with the one test. I still wonder why Ron said they both passed. There has been a lot of negative speculation because of Misty's reported failures, but not much because of Ron's. When you consider that one of the questions Misty showed deception on in the LVA, was Ron's involvement, it seems that he was wise in hiring a criminal defense attorney. That particular deception kind of led me to believe that Misty wasn't sure of what happened or who was involved. When she said she didn't know why she she had doubts about Ron, I wish the interviewer had said if she was being truthful. Now, that would have been interesting. If it's true that Misty's 1st test was inconclusive, and her other tests were failures, I wonder if she came about her knowledge later. In a situation like this, I don't see how natural suspicions and rumors and having stories planted in your head, couldn't effect LDTs results .At this point, getting any of these people to pass a LDT, might be a lost cause. JMO.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I posted awhile back I wish we could see polygraphs and the results, of all players. We haven't afaik. If there's links to any, I would like to see that.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Of course polygraphs aren't fail proof or admissible either afaik, but would be nice to see anyway JMO.

 

[stilettos]

Of course polygraphs aren't fail proof or admissible either afaik, but would be nice to see anyway JMO.

:seeya:Flossie...you and I agree! :great: I think that makes it time to celebrate and hope for better things to come for HaLeigh. We come from two different viewpoints...but we do agree on some things...there has to be a way to resolve this case and find out what happened to HaLeigh. Have a great day!:rocker:

 

[bessie]

Of course polygraphs aren't fail proof or admissible either afaik, but would be nice to see anyway JMO.

Unless I missed something recently, only Misty's test reports have been published. Unfortunately, because I think we'd all love to see them. No, they're not fail proof, but in Misty's case she was given a total of five or six tests in three different formats over the course of a year. The first was inconclusive, and the rest showed a significant level of deception. Taking into consideration possible flaws in the testing methods, when you look at the results as a whole, it spells l-i-a-r. As for the first one being inconclusive, I imagine she didn't give clear yes and no answers because the details of "the story" hadn't been worked out yet.

 

[mkay882]

It would be nice if LE had been able to check any surveillance video of GGM's route that evening. I don't think that the convenience store video of Ronald buying his beer and nuts helps his alibi at all. Actually it calls question to why he was so casual and non-chalant about getting home when he stayed on his cell phone most of the night trying to find Misty.........strange..

Why would you assume LE did not?