General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[titanfan62702]

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/exclusive-misty-cummings-pal-nay-nay-talks/

At the 1:55 mark Nay Nay states that she dropped Misty off at her brother's house because she had to babysit the kids. She doesn't specify which brother. I'm thinking Timmy since Chelsea was driving back and forth to the hospital.

She's talking so fast that I really didn't catch the day.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Chef Boyardee for dinner, I think came from a Cobra audio tape? Or online radio show? Along with the pair of pants that were supposedly Misty's in the garbage that Cobra said LE left behind? It's been so long ago so my apologies if I'm wrong.

Thanks Dr Know, I thought so too

 

[lonetraveler]

She's talking so fast that I really didn't catch the day.

Well, according to White Boy Greg, Misty was dropped off at around 4 am Sunday, Feb. 8th.

 

[Emeralgem]

This is a theory I've kind of played around with, that would explain how they could all be culpable, and also answer a few questions. Misty picks Haleigh up from the bus stop, and being tired and worn out, she pulls the car over and beats Haleigh. Although she is severly injured, Ron goes to work and Misty either leaves or hangs around the house and goes to bed...probably after drugging Haleigh. At some point, she finds an almost dead Haleigh. She either calls for help, or Ron does, and a man in black,(Tommy?), takes her. The bouncing couch, could have been a resuscitation attempt. Anyway, this theory could answer a few questions...like why TN sent a relative over, why Misty said Haleigh was fine at the time, how the AC man could have seen Haleigh, (if he did), and why they lied about who picked up Haleigh. Also, it would explain how they were all culpable. Misty for causing the injury, Ron for not seeking help, and Tommy, for disposing of a still alive Haleigh. There are a lot of problems with this theory, but for these 3 to be willing to sit in prison, it's MOO, that they all could be involved. If LE suspects something like this, it could also explain them offering Misty ammunity...because, technically, what she did, wouldn't be murder. If somebody disposed of an alive Haleigh, he would be the murderer. I personally, know of a few instances here, where after severe beatings, men have gone home, gone to bed, and then later died. The same thing happened to a man, after a one vehicle wreck. He was drunk, but to avoid a DWI, he didn't go to the hospital. So, these slow acting brain injuries, do happen. JMO, and just a theory.

BBM...IMHO IF that scenario took place, Misty would not have lived to see the sun rise on February 10, 2009...JMHO

IMHO..They are all involved because Ron C is the one responsible for Haleigh's death.. Misty and Tommy are involved because they were just plain stupid for allowing themselves to be threatened, intimidated and manipulated by Ron C... Misty and Tommy should have called the police instead of listening to Ron C's plan..His plan was self serving, unfortunately they didn't connect the dots... I suspect they have NOW, and fully realize he set them up BIG TIME.. They are between a rock and a hard place...JMHO

 

[dodie20]

The only person who is known to be violent in this story is Ronald. And you really think Misty would be so dang tired she would then find enough rage to beat Haleigh? And then Ron would just be ok with a 16 year old who he has known for 3 months beating and killing his child? I really cant see that.

jmo

Yes, Ron has shown over and over that he is a violent person...his threats on the 911, speak for themselves, and him threatening to blow Misty's teeth out of the back of her head, shows how he thinks. He's a very violent person, IMO. But, him being violent doesn't mean Misty can't be abusive. Birds of a feather flock together, and all that. Maybe she thought beating a child, was a form of discipline. I've known people who crossed over the line, and didn't see a thing wrong with it. Unless someone is very controlled, how would he know when to stop, before it was too late? Anyway, I've been thinking about these 2, and have decided that there's hardly any way, that they BOTH aren't holding back. IMO, at the least, Ron has been covering for Misty, probably more. He knew exactly what was going on, as far as who he was fighting with, who was in and out of his house, who Misty was hanging with, all of the problems and drama. IMO, his work alibi doesn't hold much water, and IMO, he was at the trailer at some point that night...even if it was to clean and help stage a crime scene. I'm stuck on how insistent he was that the door was locked, how Haleigh was scared of the dark, and how she couldn't have wandered outside. I believe he, just like Misty, has been holding back information. It's possible that Haleigh od'd, but I'm thinking it's something harder to explain away and blame on someboy else. Since these people were all so willing to blame JO, they could have said that he gave Haleigh some pills, or dropped them for her to find. IMO, either Haleigh suffered a severe beating, and later died, or Tommy, (the only named suspect), did something to her. I don't think Ron would cover for him at all. But by the same token, Tommy wouldn' cover for Ron. I can see why Ron wouldn't be forthcoming about covering for Misty, or helping stage a crime scene, but I don't understand why Tommy wouldn't tell the truth, if he wasn't the perp. He'd have everything to gain. So, I'm torn between a few theories. 1. Misty being responsible, with Ron in on a coverup. (but where in the hello does Tommy fit in?) 2. Tommy being responsible, Ron not realizing it, but still covering for Misty and his own part in the staging. 3 Ron being responsible, but the others getting in so deep, they don't see any way to tell the truth. I'm not sure they're not all suspecting each other, with only the perp knowing the truth. Anyway, my 3rd theory, IMO, seems the least viable, and evn though I think something could have happened on the ride home between Misty and Haleigh, I'm still leaning towards Tommy being the perp. If he's not, he NEEDS to explain how he got mixed up in this mess. If LE won't listen, the media WILL. I've listened to every cockamamie story this bunch has put out, so one more won't bother me. JMO.

 

[dodie20]

BBM...IMHO IF that scenario took place, Misty would not have lived to see the sun rise on February 10, 2009...JMHO

IMHO..They are all involved because Ron C is the one responsible for Haleigh's death.. Misty and Tommy are involved because they were just plain stupid for allowing themselves to be threatened, intimidated and manipulated by Ron C... Misty and Tommy should have called the police instead of listening to Ron C's plan..His plan was self serving, unfortunately they didn't connect the dots... I suspect they have NOW, and fully realize he set them up BIG TIME.. They are between a rock and a hard place...JMHO

I get your point, but I'm not convinced that Ron would have killed Misty, especially if killing her, meant that his own culpability would be exposed...not his culpability in a murder, but in regards to drugs, guns, fights, negligence, etc... because even if M isty is responsible, Ron could be held accountable, in a lot of ways. Yesterday, I went back and reread a lot of early news stories and posts, and it was truly depressing. The questions being asked, almost 3 years ago, are the same ones we're asking right now. Who was sleeping where? What were Ron's actual work hours? How could they have been so sure Haleigh wouldn't have wandered off? Why did he act like Haleigh was dead? Where was his hope? Was he coaching Misty? Did Misty leave that night? JMO.

 

[dodie20]

I'm sorry, but I find it almost impossible to gather much sympathy for Tommy. If he was set up and is stuck between a rock and hard place, he can tell the truth and back it up with proof and a passed LDT. He doesn't have to go through LE, and I, personally would accept his lawyer's word. Until he does this, I'm sticking to MOO where he's concerned. The only person I see as maybe being set up, is JO, and Tommy was in on that big time. So, even if he is stuck somewhere, what kind of person blames an innocent family member? Tommy could take the same gumption he found when he blamed JO, and blame Ron or whoever involved him. The only person he might lie and cover for is Misty, and I'm not even sure about that. MOO of Tommy is that he would say anything necessary, to get out of trouble, and he has proved that time and time again. The problem with him though, is that his tales have a way of backfiring right back in his face. IMO, if he's not the perp, he knows what to do to clear his name. It's also MOO that he was named a suspect for a reason. I know some people want to hear it from LE, but I'm satisfied with the information. JMO.

 

[Chablis]

I'm sorry, but I find it almost impossible to gather much sympathy for Tommy. If he was set up and is stuck between a rock and hard place, he can tell the truth and back it up with proof and a passed LDT. He doesn't have to go through LE, and I, personally would accept his lawyer's word. Until he does this, I'm sticking to MOO where he's concerned. The only person I see as maybe being set up, is JO, and Tommy was in on that big time. So, even if he is stuck somewhere, what kind of person blames an innocent family member? Tommy could take the same gumption he found when he blamed JO, and blame Ron or whoever involved him. The only person he might lie and cover for is Misty, and I'm not even sure about that. MOO of Tommy is that he would say anything necessary, to get out of trouble, and he has proved that time and time again. The problem with him though, is that his tales have a way of backfiring right back in his face. IMO, if he's not the perp, he knows what to do to clear his name. It's also MOO that he was named a suspect for a reason. I know some people want to hear it from LE, but I'm satisfied with the information. JMO.

RON, contacted Tommy the fateful night Haleigh went missing, not vice versa. This means RON got Tommy into whatever happened, PERIOD.

jmo

 

[dodie20]

RON, contacted Tommy the fateful night Haleigh went missing, not vice versa. This means RON got Tommy into whatever happened, PERIOD.

jmo

ok, if that's true, then Tommy knows what he can do to put an end to this madness. He can do what he claimed he was doing, when he blamed JO...something he claimed he should have 'done a long time ago'. The last I heard, Tommy was sticking to the JO story. Maybe he's telling the truth? maybe not. I know his details didn't convince me. JMO.

 

[Gwen]

ok, if that's true, then Tommy knows what he can do to put an end to this madness. He can do what he claimed he was doing, when he blamed JO...something he claimed he should have 'done a long time ago'. The last I heard, Tommy was sticking to the JO story. Maybe he's telling the truth? maybe not. I know his details didn't convince me. JMO.

Not that I believe everything anybody in this case says but Tommy said they wouldn't let him tell them what happened. He said they didn't wanna hear anything about Ron. That is if I am correct in my memory of a jailhouse phone call with his dad.

I wonder how long the arm of the gang Ron joined in prison reaches? Perhaps, more than protecting himself Ron is using his afflialation with this Nazi gang to reach out to Tommy and Misty on occassion. Just a thought.

I wish Tommy would come clean regardless of what the truth is. He has two small children that are fatherless now. I can't imagine anything short of some involvement keeping him from talking. Unless, of course, there is threats like headless rats in his cell from time to time. I don't think it is Ron he fears either way. It is someone more intimidating than Ron. Who could that be? JMO

 

[dodie20]

Not that I believe everything anybody in this case says but Tommy said they wouldn't let him tell them what happened. He said they didn't wanna hear anything about Ron. That is if I am correct in my memory of a jailhouse phone call with his dad.

I wonder how long the arm of the gang Ron joined in prison reaches? Perhaps, more than protecting himself Ron is using his afflialation with this Nazi gang to reach out to Tommy and Misty on occassion. Just a thought.

I wish Tommy would come clean regardless of what the truth is. He has two small children that are fatherless now. I can't imagine anything short of some involvement keeping him from talking. Unless, of course, there is threats like headless rats in his cell from time to time. I don't think it is Ron he fears either way. It is someone more intimidating than Ron. Who could that be? JMO

In his JO story, Tommy admitted to involvement...a lot of involvement. What truth could be harder to tell than that lie? If the theories are correct, and he didn't become involved until after the fact, then why make up a worse story that implicated himself more? If that's what's going on, then I don't get this guy at all. Also, IMO, him being scared of gang retaliation doesn't wash. He's had working on 3 years to tell the truth. And that goes for Misty too. JMO. I'm just real disgusted that none of these people will tell the truth. Who are they protecting? Is he/she worth it? I for 1 don't think a single one of them is worth sitting in the pen for 15 plus years. JMO.

 

[Chablis]

In his JO story, Tommy admitted to involvement...a lot of involvement. What truth could be harder to tell than that lie? If the theories are correct, and he didn't become involved until after the fact, then why make up a worse story that implicated himself more? If that's what's going on, then I don't get this guy at all. Also, IMO, him being scared of gang retaliation doesn't wash. He's had working on 3 years to tell the truth. And that goes for Misty too. JMO. I'm just real disgusted that none of these people will tell the truth. Who are they protecting? Is he/she worth it? I for 1 don't think a single one of them is worth sitting in the pen for 15 plus years. JMO.

Does Tommy being in jail protect his kids or ex wife from Rons TERRIBLE criminal laden family?

 

[4Jacy]

As I said on the other thread, I do not know where the Chef Boyardee came from, and it really doesn't matter, but it sure took a long time for those green beans to be part of the everchanging story.

See guys, I heard green beans also. Like you said titan, it doesn't matter at this point, however, it would have been nice to sit down inside the house, with a well rounded meal and family surrounding her.

 

[Chablis]

See guys, I heard green beans also. Like you said titan, it doesn't matter at this point, however, it would have been nice to sit down inside the house, with a well rounded meal and family surrounding her.

Well, Ron is selfish and really did not understand how important it is for kids to be with their mothers, but thats Teresas fault. All of this is his fault, ultimately.jmo

 

[Concerned Papa]

Thanks to Websleuth's own, "Satsuma Photographer" Ger, we have had benefit of her tireless efforts in providing images from this case. Since Haleigh vanished, I have been in Putnam County a few times and have come to appreciate the natural beauty of where Haleigh lived. I have also come to realize that it's not at all unlike the "boondocks" where I was born and raised.

Those boondocks will forever be a part of my heart and soul.

Haleigh's Boondocks - YouTube

 

[titanfan62702]

ok, if that's true, then Tommy knows what he can do to put an end to this madness. He can do what he claimed he was doing, when he blamed JO...something he claimed he should have 'done a long time ago'. The last I heard, Tommy was sticking to the JO story. Maybe he's telling the truth? maybe not. I know his details didn't convince me. JMO.

Do we really know what Tommy is sticking to?

If anything, I'd say Tommy is "sticking to" whatever would have gotten him out of jail.

I'm still not convinced that anything his attorney said meant a thing. We'll never know if Tommy was really going to throw Joe under the bus or did he just following his grandma's lead.

I keep going back to 2 years ago, I think, when Tommy was in jail, and then told the story about going to the mh and it was dark. Next thing we knew, bond was reduced and he was out.

Worked then, so why not try it again.

And while very little was confirmed what Misty told LE since her arrest, she figured it would work for her too. Remember -- her only goal was to get out of jail -- only her. She didn't care about anyone else.

I've met people similiar to what I've seen with the players in this case and the truth means something entirely different to them. The way I define it is whatever comes out of their mouths at that particular time is automatically the truth.

 

[mkay882]

Tommy or Misty cannot admit/tell the truth about what happened.
It's called CYA mode and that's all they're doing... covering their two arses.

 

[Gwen]

Tommy or Misty cannot admit/tell the truth about what happened.
It's called CYA mode and that's all they're doing... covering their two arses.

I agree they cannot talk. We probably disagree as to what they would say or why they aren't saying it.

I also note that there is not a there isn't a syllable coming from any of the Cummings side either. Not a word from Ron, Teresa, or Annette. I would think that they would be burning the midnight oil trying to get LE and media to pick up the torch for Haleigh. Instead, and sadly, the very people who are able to keep Haleigh's case alive are happy to NOT talk at all about her. That doesn't sit well with me. What is it that is keeping Ron, TN and Annette so busy that they cannot make a plea to the public or take an interview? The last word I heard from Ron or Teresa or Annette was on Nancy Grace and she called them out on their story. Since then........nothing.

With all that said, I don't believe a word they say anyway. For me, until they are ready to tell the truth and accept responsiblity for their part in the demise of Haleigh, I don't want to hear them. I just think they all have some serious secrets. Why wasn't Teresa available to babysit as she promised the judge in the custody hearing? Why wasn't Annette willing to keep the kids while Ron worked? Why did they ever allow them left with a teenager for a baby sitter? I am sure they knew that Ron was making bad decisions with taking them to work and leaving them alone. Why didn't Ron make some responsible decisions about the care and safety of his children. In short, Ron grew up with bad parenting and he did the same with his kids. Shame on the whole family!

I don't know if Tommy or Misty had any part in this case. I do know that regardless, the onus belongs squarely on the shoulders and souls of those who purposely lied the court to get custody of the kids. Those adults who took the kids from their mother. If nothing else in the world is clear to me, I am sure that Ron, Teresa and Annette had the ability and the responsibilty to do better with Haleigh and Jr. JMO

 

[Chablis]

The FACT is Rons family on both sides has some seriously known dangerous characters. Thats the biggest problem in this case. You don't think a man will go to prison to protect his kids? Tommy is scared for his outside family, I have no doubts Ron all high with guns ablazing would say oh, you can nark me out but you'll be sorry because someone who "loves" me will make you pay. Its dramatic, but I think this is happening.

JMO

 

[Flossie JMO]

ok, if that's true, then Tommy knows what he can do to put an end to this madness. He can do what he claimed he was doing, when he blamed JO...something he claimed he should have 'done a long time ago'. The last I heard, Tommy was sticking to the JO story. Maybe he's telling the truth? maybe not. I know his details didn't convince me. JMO.

JMO his details don't convince me either. I'm not sure what story Tommy is sticking with now, whether it's the Joe one or not. JMO I don't buy the Joe one. One scenario I have is that Tommy may have taken the opportunity to go into the home when Misty was gone.

We haven't heard much in the news lately aside from HaLeigh's family, aside from Ronald's family with their prayer vigils and balloon release for HaLeigh. HaLeigh and her family are always in my thoughts and prayers.