General theory thread and motives rehashed #6

[Skully]

I started reading there a while back trying to figure out Steve "I Solved The Case" Brown's continued involvement. The 2 or 3 regulars leaving comments are well versed on this case, and raise interesting points.

Lots makes sense to me now. I always thought Misty version of what happened that night was like a "Ozzie and Harriet" episode. Misty painted a picture of that day like something she thought would be a nice day, "we had eggs for breakfast, we got the kids dressed for school, drove to grandma's house, drop off the kids, ......... She says she spent 30 to 40 minutes making dinner, and Cobra found nothing but canned food in the trash. So she can spin a story. I think she tried to tell what happened way back in the beginning, but had to be careful not to let Ron know her involvement in the gun story and keep him on her good side. If she let JO or Tommy hurt Haleigh and didn't do anything to protect her or stop it, Ron would have killed her too. I remember her telling the media that JO was messing with her, and she thought he did something to Haleigh, but she had told so many stories by then I don't think anyone believed her, including me. I couldn't see how she was hanging missing posters of Haleigh with him the next day, if he hurt Haleigh. But now, after seeing tapes of Misty and interviews, I think she was going to protect her status with Ron at any cost, period.

 

[Lanie]

I read what blogs I could find relating to Haleigh on the 'Handcuffed to the Ocean' site, and some of the comments.

I've read the Art Harris blog where Art says Lindsy says Misty says.

I've read the entire back and forth docs. on the bar complaint filed against Kim P.

I've read a lot of the media releases at the beginning, and as many of the 'official LE statements' as I could find.

I've watched some youtube videos regarding this case, too, including one that shows many pictures of Ron and Haleigh together.

I went into all this with an open mind, and tried to see anything that would be so convincing that Ron was involved, and all I'm left with is I'm even more convinced now it was Misty.

I'm now even questioning my belief that Ron did abuse the children. I didn't look into much of that before, because there was so much talk about what an abusive father he was, and I just assumed there was actual evidence of it, but what I've found, at least so far, seems to point to this being false accusations rather than actual fact.

I'm pretty sure I listened to the 911 calls before, but my hearing isn't great, so usually given the choice between listening and a transcript, I go with the transcript. I listened again, and at the first of the second call, when the operator has to call back because Ron has hung up on her, he says hello, she says something, and then he makes that sound. I know that sound, and it is despair and grief and horror. IMO, at that moment, Ron is completely devastated by what is happening. This doesn't prove he's innocent, so please do me a favor and don't misquote me later implying I think this makes him innocent. IMO, however, this proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt he did not sneak away from work, sneak into the trailer, and deliberately kill Haleigh (feel free to quote me on that) and IMO it's highly unlikely he knew hours before Haleigh was missing or dead.

I understand wanting to kill the person who took or killed your child, and I understand also how that can be a defense mechanism that kicks in to help in avoiding the issue of what you absolutely cannot face.

 

[dodie20]

Lots makes sense to me now. I always thought Misty version of what happened that night was like a "Ozzie and Harriet" episode. Misty painted a picture of that day like something she thought would be a nice day, "we had eggs for breakfast, we got the kids dressed for school, drove to grandma's house, drop off the kids, ......... She says she spent 30 to 40 minutes making dinner, and Cobra found nothing but canned food in the trash. So she can spin a story. I think she tried to tell what happened way back in the beginning, but had to be careful not to let Ron know her involvement in the gun story and keep him on her good side. If she let JO or Tommy hurt Haleigh and didn't do anything to protect her or stop it, Ron would have killed her too. I remember her telling the media that JO was messing with her, and she thought he did something to Haleigh, but she had told so many stories by then I don't think anyone believed her, including me. I couldn't see how she was hanging missing posters of Haleigh with him the next day, if he hurt Haleigh. But now, after seeing tapes of Misty and interviews, I think she was going to protect her status with Ron at any cost, period.

I never really thought she was in love with Ron, until I saw the jail tape where she was talking about her tattoo and them getting back together. His family was so complimentary, I'm sure she didn't want to disappoint them, but I'm not sure what all her motivation was. Early on, it was discussed whether or not she had a door key. Because of their big fight, I doubt she had earned it back. I think it's possible that she was in on a gun theft, (like FH heard), propped the door open and left, and came home to a missing or dead Haleigh. I noticed in the above news clip, that the neighbor heard the scream from either in or around the trailer. I didn't remember the around reference, and this opens up a few theories. Could Misty have found Haleigh outside? If she was in on a plot, and left the door open, she would know who had been in the house, but it would be easy to convince herself, that it could have been anyone, even a stranger....also, if she got home to a dead Haleigh, and then called family for help, or disposed of Haleigh by herself, then she would be even more involved, and wouldn't want to admit it. I've toyed with the idea of Misty being the lone disposer, and it makes sense. From the time of the scream, to the 911 call, there wasn't much time, so Haleigh would be nearby. But, if Misty got home to a missing Haleigh, she could have been put anywhere.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM

OMG, how much room would this take up in a mobil home? Do you think he had these potted plants in with the kids and out where TN and AS could see them? IDK that sounds like a lot of plants to me, but I don't know who big the plants were that they found.

Grow operations are found all the time with 100 plants or more. These could have been seedlings and easily containable in a small room......heck, some people use large closets. Most times as soon as the plants are large enough to plant, someone takes them out to a secluded place in the woods and plants them for harvesting later. Think about a plant nursery: ten plants by ten plants in five inch pots? Doesn't take up much room. I don't really think that AS and TN would even blink an eyelid seeing this little farm.

I actually discussed this "grow" operation with someone with knowledge in this type of farming LOL.

You would be surprised at how many pot plant seedlings are in greenhouses as we post.

 

[lonetraveler]

I started reading there a while back trying to figure out Steve "I Solved The Case" Brown's continued involvement. The 2 or 3 regulars leaving comments are well versed on this case, and raise interesting points.

I check on this site regularly and you are right, a couple of the posters are very knowledgeable. Papa your opinion about "I solved the case" have been mentioned lately.

 

[dodie20]

I read what blogs I could find relating to Haleigh on the 'Handcuffed to the Ocean' site, and some of the comments.

I've read the Art Harris blog where Art says Lindsy says Misty says.

I've read the entire back and forth docs. on the bar complaint filed against Kim P.

I've read a lot of the media releases at the beginning, and as many of the 'official LE statements' as I could find.

I've watched some youtube videos regarding this case, too, including one that shows many pictures of Ron and Haleigh together.

I went into all this with an open mind, and tried to see anything that would be so convincing that Ron was involved, and all I'm left with is I'm even more convinced now it was Misty.

I'm now even questioning my belief that Ron did abuse the children. I didn't look into much of that before, because there was so much talk about what an abusive father he was, and I just assumed there was actual evidence of it, but what I've found, at least so far, seems to point to this being false accusations rather than actual fact.

I'm pretty sure I listened to the 911 calls before, but my hearing isn't great, so usually given the choice between listening and a transcript, I go with the transcript. I listened again, and at the first of the second call, when the operator has to call back because Ron has hung up on her, he says hello, she says something, and then he makes that sound. I know that sound, and it is despair and grief and horror. IMO, at that moment, Ron is completely devastated by what is happening. This doesn't prove he's innocent, so please do me a favor and don't misquote me later implying I think this makes him innocent. IMO, however, this proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt he did not sneak away from work, sneak into the trailer, and deliberately kill Haleigh (feel free to quote me on that) and IMO it's highly unlikely he knew hours before Haleigh was missing or dead.

I understand wanting to kill the person who took or killed your child, and I understand also how that can be a defense mechanism that kicks in to help in avoiding the issue of what you absolutely cannot face.

I also heard some real devastation on that call, but I never heard any real surprise. No disbelieving shock. IMO, this points to RC knowing what happened. Also, when I listen to him talk about having better people to talk to, I hear a fakeness, like he's acting. During this call, and after, RC should have been hyper, looking for Haleigh, and hoping she had wandered outside...but no, he was in grief and wanting revenge. IMO, he skipped right over a few necessary emotions, and went right to Haleigh being dead. Where was the shock? and the hope? IMO, he knew exacly what was up. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

I check on this site regularly and you are right, a couple of the posters are very knowledgeable. Papa your opinion about "I solved the case" have been mentioned lately.

In my head, I refer to those posters as 'internet librarians'. Articles, that have mysteriously disappeared, they manage to get a hold of. It's a very good site for reference...but like here, no one theory prevails.

 

[lonetraveler]

In my head, I refer to those posters as 'internet librarians'. Articles, that have mysteriously disappeared, they manage to get a hold of. It's a very good site for reference...but like here, no one theory prevails.

I search all the time for new information on Haleigh's case and sometimes some new tid bit is put out there by the locals. I keep hoping that someone reveals something valuable to this investigation. And you are right, some of the links I couldn't find anymore I find again, here and there.

 

[dodie20]

I search all the time for new information on Haleigh's case and sometimes some new tid bit is put out there by the locals. I keep hoping that someone reveals something valuable to this investigation. And you are right, some of the links I couldn't find anymore I find again, here and there.

Some times, I google in random phrases, to see what comes up... like 'Tommy Croslin, yellow rope',etc...and I come across articles I missed, or blogs I hadn't seen. But where I have a problem, lol, is forgetting that google isn't as familiar with this case as I am. I'll get some totally unrelated material, and then realize that I just wrote a 1st name...like there's only 1 Tommy or Misty in the world.

 

[Skully]

Okay, I have nothing to add, but this is my 4000th post and I wanted it to be here!

Carry on....

 

[mkay882]

BBM

OMG, how much room would this take up in a mobil home? Do you think he had these potted plants in with the kids and out where TN and AS could see them? IDK that sounds like a lot of plants to me, but I don't know who big the plants were that they found.

Unless the 'pot' plants were pulled up and found dead or dying, I have doubts these were growing in Ron's home.
A grow operation attracts the attention of the electric company first. You cannot grow 'pot' without much light.
Very noticeable when your usage jumps from the previous months and tenants.

Plus moving all those plants would take strength with the dirt alone required to grow just one plant to any size.

More likely the plants belonged to the boys who lived closest to Mondex. Was it WBG and his mom? I forget.
MOO though

 

[mkay882]

I read what blogs I could find relating to Haleigh on the 'Handcuffed to the Ocean' site, and some of the comments.

I've read the Art Harris blog where Art says Lindsy says Misty says.

I've read the entire back and forth docs. on the bar complaint filed against Kim P.

I've read a lot of the media releases at the beginning, and as many of the 'official LE statements' as I could find.

I've watched some youtube videos regarding this case, too, including one that shows many pictures of Ron and Haleigh together.

I went into all this with an open mind, and tried to see anything that would be so convincing that Ron was involved, and all I'm left with is I'm even more convinced now it was Misty.

I'm now even questioning my belief that Ron did abuse the children. I didn't look into much of that before, because there was so much talk about what an abusive father he was, and I just assumed there was actual evidence of it, but what I've found, at least so far, seems to point to this being false accusations rather than actual fact.

I'm pretty sure I listened to the 911 calls before, but my hearing isn't great, so usually given the choice between listening and a transcript, I go with the transcript. I listened again, and at the first of the second call, when the operator has to call back because Ron has hung up on her, he says hello, she says something, and then he makes that sound. I know that sound, and it is despair and grief and horror. IMO, at that moment, Ron is completely devastated by what is happening. This doesn't prove he's innocent, so please do me a favor and don't misquote me later implying I think this makes him innocent. IMO, however, this proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt he did not sneak away from work, sneak into the trailer, and deliberately kill Haleigh (feel free to quote me on that) and IMO it's highly unlikely he knew hours before Haleigh was missing or dead.

I understand wanting to kill the person who took or killed your child, and I understand also how that can be a defense mechanism that kicks in to help in avoiding the issue of what you absolutely cannot face.

:takeabow:

 

[Chablis]

Yeah, defense mechanisms, whatever, he knew his child was dead and he had no hope ever, and now hes rotting in the clink, and cops say he still isnt telling the truth, so are you telling me he would rather sit and rot for 15 years then just fess up over the minor issue hes still lying about? Yeah, right.

jmo

 

[4Jacy]

Okay, I have nothing to add, but this is my 4000th post and I wanted it to be here!

Carry on....

You go Bern!! :yourock:

 

[Lanie]

I also heard some real devastation on that call, but I never heard any real surprise. No disbelieving shock. IMO, this points to RC knowing what happened. Also, when I listen to him talk about having better people to talk to, I hear a fakeness, like he's acting. During this call, and after, RC should have been hyper, looking for Haleigh, and hoping she had wandered outside...but no, he was in grief and wanting revenge. IMO, he skipped right over a few necessary emotions, and went right to Haleigh being dead. Where was the shock? and the hope? IMO, he knew exacly what was up. MOO.

I heard disbelieving shock.

Also, today was the first time I've ever listened to Misty's 911 call when she got robbed while trying to buy drugs. I realize she hurt her arm, but I have to agree with the Steve guy on this one, there is quite a difference in her demeanor reporting Haleigh being taken and her purse being taken. IMO, she sounded completely distraught when she told the operator her purse had been taken and that was all she had. I didn't hear any of that when she's telling the operator 'her' daughter had been taken, this child she was a mommy to, because Haleigh didn't really have one.

 

[Lanie]

Unless the 'pot' plants were pulled up and found dead or dying, I have doubts these were growing in Ron's home.
A grow operation attracts the attention of the electric company first. You cannot grow 'pot' without much light.
Very noticeable when your usage jumps from the previous months and tenants.

Plus moving all those plants would take strength with the dirt alone required to grow just one plant to any size.

More likely the plants belonged to the boys who lived closest to Mondex. Was it WBG and his mom? I forget.
MOO though

Around here, they have helicopters that fly overhead every now and then with heat detecting devices. Also, you are correct about the electric bills. I think LE can get warrants on electric bills that are unusually high, at least that's what I was told about how my friend's brother got caught growing weed under his trailer.

 

[dodie20]

I heard disbelieving shock.

Also, today was the first time I've ever listened to Misty's 911 call when she got robbed while trying to buy drugs. I realize she hurt her arm, but I have to agree with the Steve guy on this one, there is quite a difference in her demeanor reporting Haleigh being taken and her purse being taken. IMO, she sounded completely distraught when she told the operator her purse had been taken and that was all she had. I didn't hear any of that when she's telling the operator 'her' daughter had been taken, this child she was a mommy to, because Haleigh didn't really have one.

I heard a lot of things, but disbelief wasn't one of them. If nothing else, Ron was a believer. He believed his daughter had been 'stole' in the middle of the night, and he blamed Misty for not stopping it. Now, this may be 100% true, but how could he have known this? How could he be so sure that she wasn't outside somewhere, maybe walking or sleeping? What was going on in his life and in his house, that he knew, without a doubt, that Haleigh had been 'stole'? This is why a lot of people suspect him...because he shouldn't have known. IMO, he either knew what happened and who took Haleigh, or he was putting on an act, to take suspicion off himself. MOO

 

[Chablis]

I heard a lot of things, but disbelief wasn't one of them. If nothing else, Ron was a believer. He believed his daughter had been 'stole' in the middle of the night, and he blamed Misty for not stopping it. Now, this may be 100% true, but how could he have known this? How could he be so sure that she wasn't outside somewhere, maybe walking or sleeping? What was going on in his life and in his house, that he knew, without a doubt, that Haleigh had been 'stole'? This is why a lot of people suspect him...because he shouldn't have known. IMO, he either knew what happened and who took Haleigh, or he was putting on an act, to take suspicion off himself. MOO

The bricked open door, was STAGED. Ron had to go with someone took her because he couldnt say, shes dead, thats what this is all about. He is the one who was basically caught lying about bricks being in his yard, he is the king of the dumb plan, I have no doubts he was standing at that door when Misty saw him, he did something really bad, and this whole spectacle is a result of his lies because he screwed up and killed his daughter, for whatever reasons. jmo

 

[Lanie]

I heard a lot of things, but disbelief wasn't one of them. If nothing else, Ron was a believer. He believed his daughter had been 'stole' in the middle of the night, and he blamed Misty for not stopping it. Now, this may be 100% true, but how could he have known this? How could he be so sure that she wasn't outside somewhere, maybe walking or sleeping? What was going on in his life and in his house, that he knew, without a doubt, that Haleigh had been 'stole'? This is why a lot of people suspect him...because he shouldn't have known. IMO, he either knew what happened and who took Haleigh, or he was putting on an act, to take suspicion off himself. MOO

One time I lost my son, 12 years old, for less than ten minutes. In that short period of time, I KNEW something terrible had happened to him, and I was so hysterical I could barely speak. A teenage boy put his arm around me to keep me from collapsing. Even now, typing this out, my stomach does a little flop just thinking about it.

If someone had audio or video of this, and didn't know my son had just strolled back up right in the middle of it, I'm sure I would look guilty as he77 for something.

My son had wandered off, and what would make this even more suspicious is my son has a lengthy history of wandering off. Any sane person would have assumed right off the bat my son had wandered off, but the second my son was not where he was supposed to be, my sanity walked right out the door. I was incapable of rational thought. Another thing that would make this look bad for me is I have a history of being cool under pressure. I was a volunteer fire fighter who always remained calm and knew what to do.

I'm not going to throw out phrases like "People react differently" or "You don't know how you would react until it happens to you" because IMO those statements are too general. IMO, while I think people do react differently, it's 'up to a point'. For example, I don't think neglecting to report your two-year-old child missing for 31 days is acceptable; people don't react THAT differently.

So, for me, Ron immediately going to worst possible scenario when he comes home at 3am and his five-year-old daughter is nowhere to be found doesn't seem odd to me.

 

[Emeralgem]

So, for me, Ron immediately going to worst possible scenario when he comes home at 3am and his five-year-old daughter is nowhere to be found doesn't seem odd to me.

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The worst possible scenario was when he realized he had killed his daughter before he ever went in to work...Everything that took place after the tragedy was to cover his rear...Ron knew his daughter was deceased when he was on the phone with 911 The MH was staged to look like an abduction had taken place...JMHO