General theory thread and motives rehashed #6

[Emeralgem]

Yeah, well if a toddler bed had any blood or smell of death, it wouldnt float very long, especially if tied down with bricks, but because I know we do not know for sure a mattress was missing, its all kind of moot. I personally wish more sleuthing was done on where Hope and Katrina resided.

Well as I see it a person wouldn't really be able to throw a cinder block any significant distance away from the dock so IF anything was tied to the cinder blocks it would still land near the boat ramp..JMHO

 

[Chablis]

Well as I see it a person wouldn't really be able to throw a cinder block any significant distance away from the dock so IF anything was tied to the cinder blocks it would still land near the boat ramp..JMHO

I doubt any cinderblocks went into the water than night, I am sure she is in a place close to Rons "heart"

jmo

 

[stilettos]

IMHO.. I'm thinking a toddler matress floating around in the waters of St. Johns River would have been detected long before the search in April of 2010.. Also, I will never ever believe, even for a second, Teresa Neves believes Haleigh is still alive...IMHO..She knows Haleigh is deceased and has known this to be a fact since day one..
IMHO.. No one can watch that "FIRST PLEA" video and not realize she knows exactly what happened to her granddaughter...Everything else she has stated since then is..IMHO nothing but a lie and an attempt to keep the truth from being revealed...JMHO

Teresa Neves wants everyone else "to see her and to find her" .. I don't see her looking anywhere..
Not to mention her response to Haleigh being seen at Carrabbas was... I'm glad to know she is being fed well...JMHO


IMHO.. The video here proves TN's main interest that day was to check out the reporters to see IF they were buying into the BS her son was feeding them..JMHO

Ronald Cummings' Emotional Plea - 2/10 or 2/11 2009 - YouTube

I just cannot stand to watch this overacting drivel again. Not one tear in all that whine. :banghead:

 

[Emeralgem]

I doubt any cinderblocks went into the water than night, I am sure she is in a place close to Rons "heart"

jmo

So are you saying you do not think cinder blocks and yellow rope were found in the St. Johns River search?

 

[Chablis]

So are you saying you do not think cinder blocks and yellow rope were found in the St. Johns River search?

I hardly doubt those two items were exclusive only to Ron and Tommys trailers, its a river there will be so many makeshift anchors and ropes.

 

[Lanie]

{** specifically regarding above BBM.. Not only did I repeatedly state my opinion of what if Ronald's guilty, but I also made statements almost identical to the above BBM.. I've remained steadfast that Ron is guilty NO MATTER WHAT of indirectly causing Haleigh's death with his life choices/decisions.. That is for absolute certain and I've repeated it over and over.. But that does not equal guilty of direct involvement in his daughters murder.. There is a huge difference and Ive stated that repeatedly as well..}


As for the other question..
Yes, absolutely! Thats why in my post that was replied to above I repeat that exact sentiment multiple times.. Hell yes is the honest answer. There is not a single quality that comes to mind when I look at Ronald that is notable, comendable, or in the very least impressive by any stretch of the imagination .. I'm certainly no <mod snip> and dont have an inkling of desire to make excuses, nor defend him, his life, his choices, or try to convince or sway anyones opinion about him period.. I personally dont like, nor care for him and couldnt care less if thats a popular or unpopular opinion or view..

I say exactly what I mean and mean exactly what I say and where Ronald is concerned whether I like him or despise him IS ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT TO THE FACTS OF WHETHER HE WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN HALEIGHS DEATH AND DISPOSAL..yes, Dr Fessel peoples behaviors are to be looked at and very well can have indicators that can be telling.. But it is not the totality of what is to be thoroughly investigated in a homicide case.. If that were how easy it was to indicate a persons direct involvement.. Well there are millions of really chitty men that have lots of dealings with the seedier side of life, but that does not indicate that they're a murderer.. I understand exactly what you mean regarding his behaviors and I'm saying that the behaviors IMO do not equal to his being directly involved in his daughter's murder and disposal of her body..he's a <mod snip> regardless but in my opinion my dislike, disapproval, and disgust with his behavior and him in general does not equal that he's directly involved ..

My opinion at this time is still that I believe he wasn't directly involved.. But that means squat, nada, nothing its just little ol' me's personal opinion.. I'm not set in stone with that opinion and if it's as many believe I'll be proved wrong one of these days and I will find that there is evidence that shows Ronald absolutely was directly involved and I'll demand that justice be served for his precious daughter.. Just the same as I'll demand any other individual that the evidence showed had a direct involvement in her murder and disposal..

Ronald will be a <mod snip> regardless IMO that's not reliant upon his direct involvement that's just the proof that's in the pudding from delving into the man's life he's led this far..
And just as I repeated in my post(replied to above) I'll repeat it again since its still being asked..

HELL YES I'LL ACCEPT JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH IN THE FORM OF RON BEING GUILTY OF MURDERING AND DISPOSING OF HER.. JUST EXACTLY LIKE I'LL ACCEPT JUSTICE BEING SERVED ON MISTY AND TOMMY AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT IS FOUND TO BE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN HALEIGH'S DEATH AND DISPOSAL..

Justice is what I want on her behalf and that's no matter who is found to be guilty..

Ditto for me. And <mod snip>, priceless!

So, what do you think? So far, I think Ron was at work, something happened to Haleigh between 8pm and 3:27am, and Misty and probably Tommy are responsible, MOO.

I can come up with several theories for Misty's motive(s), but kind of stuck on figuring out a motive for Tommy. Even if Tommy did it, I don't believe for a second Misty slept through whatever happened, and has no idea. Which kind of takes me back in the loop of it seeming more likely to me Misty did it and Tommy was the accomplice.

 

[Emeralgem]

Good point Em. I believe Misty was made to believe that Haleigh's death was her fault more that anyone else's or she wouldn't have covered for Ron the way she did. I think the Croslins were duped from the beginning, then when they were in so deep they couldn't get out, it was too late to go back.. They kept digging the hole deeper and deeper for themselves with all the lies, and all Ron's family had to do at that point was to sit back and watch. JMO

I wholeheartedly agree..I suspect she was told this would never have happened IF you hadn't done such-n-such. Could be Haleigh got caught up in harms way when Misty was attempting to avoid being killed by a gun...My opinion is and has always been Ron C shot Haleigh...Not on purpose but still... Haleigh paid the ultimate price for his uncontrollable anger towards Misty and he and his family blame Misty for what happened......Not being willing to take any responsibilty for his actions, he and his family scapegoat Misty...Sick thinking on their part, when you really think about it, but..IT IS WHAT IT IS..And to think.. Teresa Neves had the audacity to refer to The Croslins as being a dysfunctional family...JMHOOTS

 

[Flossie JMO]

Ditto for me. And <mod snip>, priceless!

So, what do you think? So far, I think Ron was at work, something happened to Haleigh between 8pm and 3:27am, and Misty and probably Tommy are responsible, MOO.

I can come up with several theories for Misty's motive(s), but kind of stuck on figuring out a motive for Tommy. Even if Tommy did it, I don't believe for a second Misty slept through whatever happened, and has no idea. Which kind of takes me back in the loop of it seeming more likely to me Misty did it and Tommy was the accomplice.

Hi there. I go back and forth but thinking on the tapes, Tommy seemed, imo, to be buttering up Misty, and trying his best to keep her happy with him, IMO. To keep her quiet about what he did is definitely a possibility IMO.

 

[Chablis]

I wholeheartedly agree..I suspect she was told this would never have happened IF you hadn't done such-n-such. Could be Haleigh got caught up in harms way when Misty was attempting to avoid being killed by a gun...My opinion is and has always been Ron C shot Haleigh...Not on purpose but still... Haleigh paid the ultimate price for his uncontrollable anger towards Misty and he and his family blame Misty for what happened......Not being willing to take any responsibilty for his actions, he and his family scapegoat Misty...Sick thinking on their part, when you really think about it, but..IT IS WHAT IT IS..And to think.. Teresa Neves had the audacity to refer to The Croslins as being a dysfunctional family...JMHOOTS

Or he beat her in the car because she asked why was he actually picking her up, and not his girlfriend of the week, not knowing this would spiral her already drug using psychotic father off, because he was in really bad shape that weekend Misty done left him. I really think its a toss up, but there really isnt even confirmation who actually picked her up, I think the cops say Ronald did, but they probably are just saying that because they are dealing with someone who is adamant he did and everyone else is plotting against him saying otherwise.

jmo

 

[Concerned Papa]

Yeah, well if a toddler bed had any blood or smell of death, it wouldnt float very long, especially if tied down with bricks, but because I know we do not know for sure a mattress was missing, its all kind of moot. I personally wish more sleuthing was done on where Hope and Katrina resided.

BBM

I believe the address was 116 Edgewater. That was the address for Belcher's Tree Service which was located in a residential neighborhood near the Dunn's Creek Bridge.

 

[Emeralgem]

Hi there. I go back and forth but thinking on the tapes, Tommy seemed, imo, to be buttering up Misty, and trying his best to keep her happy with him, IMO. To keep her quiet about what he did is definitely a possibility IMO.

I'm not quite understanding HOW Tommy has ever been capable of keeping Misty quiet about what he did..IIRC.. She threw him under the bus in that LVA test, basically stating he was the one responsible for what happened to Haleigh . She took out an RO on him and even assisted her husband in putting a headless rat in his mailbox..
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Seems to me since Tommy has admitted to being at the MH that night and has even stated he saw a deceased Haleigh, and since PCSO has NOW deemed Haleigh's case to be a homicide, PCSO and LE should have enough circumstantial evidence against him to bring him to trial...
Ronald Cummings, Teresa Neves and family should demand LE take action against Tommy Croslin..They need to publicly admit they believe Tommy is the one responsible and demand LE charge him with Haleigh's murder instead of continuing to deny she is deceased ..

As I see it, Ronald's family continuing to pretend to believe she is still out there somewhere is not helping to solve this case or obtain justice for Haleigh. Their stance only leads me to believe they aren't interested in the truth ever being revealed.. Reason being... They are involved. .....JMHO

 

[Chablis]

BBM

I believe the address was 116 Edgewater. That was the address for Belcher's Tree Service which was located in a residential neighborhood near the Dunn's Creek Bridge.

Very interesting. I wonder if its possible to somehow find Hopes arrest record and court documents as she got tossed in the slammer right after Haleigh went missing, she was in there for a long time, but her exact address should be on it, I do think when Katrina was found dead she was on a couch at a house she shared with someone, or she had moved in with someone and slept on the couch.... it really is a big deal that she drove Ron to get those drugs, was in the car listening to him direct Misty to exchange the drugs in a public bathroom, and she drove off and wasn't charged, yet an hour after Ron and Mistys arrests, her daughter Hope was also locked up? I think there was something going on with Katrina and she cut some kind of deal, and I think it killed her, seriously, I am starting to connect the dots, there is not one good reason Katrina should not have been locked up, she knew what the intent was and drove the car.

jmo

 

[Lanie]

Hi there. I go back and forth but thinking on the tapes, Tommy seemed, imo, to be buttering up Misty, and trying his best to keep her happy with him, IMO. To keep her quiet about what he did is definitely a possibility IMO.

BBM

I'm going to go back when I have time and listen to these tapes again. Right now, though, my impression of these people is I have a difficult time seeing Misty as covering for anyone unless she gets a direct benefit from it, but I can see Tommy covering for Misty.

IMO, Tommy has had a kind of revolving door relationship with jail, until this last drug bust. I'm not 100% convinced, but I am persuaded the seriousness of his situation did finally dawn on him, and it's possible whatever he ended up telling LE that led them to search the St. John's river was at least close to the truth.

 

[4Jacy]

I doubt any cinderblocks went into the water than night, I am sure she is in a place close to Rons "heart"

jmo

I have always believed Haleigh was buried with RC's grandfather. There is another option I think may have happened, but I'd rather not post it.

 

[4Jacy]

Very interesting. I wonder if its possible to somehow find Hopes arrest record and court documents as she got tossed in the slammer right after Haleigh went missing, she was in there for a long time, but her exact address should be on it, I do think when Katrina was found dead she was on a couch at a house she shared with someone, or she had moved in with someone and slept on the couch.... it really is a big deal that she drove Ron to get those drugs, was in the car listening to him direct Misty to exchange the drugs in a public bathroom, and she drove off and wasn't charged, yet an hour after Ron and Mistys arrests, her daughter Hope was also locked up? I think there was something going on with Katrina and she cut some kind of deal, and I think it killed her, seriously, I am starting to connect the dots, there is not one good reason Katrina should not have been locked up, she knew what the intent was and drove the car.

jmo

:yourock:

 

[Lanie]

IMHO.. I'm thinking a toddler matress floating around in the waters of St. Johns River would have been detected long before the search in April of 2010.. Also, I will never ever believe, even for a second, Teresa Neves believes Haleigh is still alive...IMHO..She knows Haleigh is deceased and has known this to be a fact since day one..
IMHO.. No one can watch that "FIRST PLEA" video and not realize she knows exactly what happened to her granddaughter...Everything else she has stated since then is..IMHO nothing but a lie and an attempt to keep the truth from being revealed...JMHO

Teresa Neves wants everyone else "to see her and to find her" .. I don't see her looking anywhere..
Not to mention her response to Haleigh being seen at Carrabbas was... I'm glad to know she is being fed well...JMHO


IMHO.. The video here proves TN's main interest that day was to check out the reporters to see IF they were buying into the BS her son was feeding them..JMHO

Ronald Cummings' Emotional Plea - 2/10 or 2/11 2009 - YouTube

My opinion, this seems sincere to me. TN looks upset, too.

 

[Flossie JMO]

BBM

I'm going to go back when I have time and listen to these tapes again. Right now, though, my impression of these people is I have a difficult time seeing Misty as covering for anyone unless she gets a direct benefit from it, but I can see Tommy covering for Misty.

IMO, Tommy has had a kind of revolving door relationship with jail, until this last drug bust. I'm not 100% convinced, but I am persuaded the seriousness of his situation did finally dawn on him, and it's possible whatever he ended up telling LE that led them to search the St. John's river was at least close to the truth.

Curious if you think Misty is 100% aware of what happened that night?

He did seem to spiral imo, he had been arrested prior, don't have the links handy, but it worsened imo. Or was he just lucky before, and then after HaLeigh went missing LE was watching him closely?

 

[Concerned Papa]

Very interesting. I wonder if its possible to somehow find Hopes arrest record and court documents as she got tossed in the slammer right after Haleigh went missing, she was in there for a long time, but her exact address should be on it

She had the following arrests 4 months after Haleigh disappeared. The records are showing an address of 530 Jack Lane in Satsuma.

06/11/2009 1 RETAIL THEFT

06/11/2009 1 TRESPASS

06/29/2009 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS WITH INTENT TO SELL

06/29/2009 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA

 

[Concerned Papa]

The Jack Lane addy is very near the Edgewater addy for Belcher's Tree Service.

 

[Lanie]

Curious if you think Misty is 100% aware of what happened that night?

He did seem to spiral imo, he had been arrested prior, don't have the links handy, but it worsened imo. Or was he just lucky before, and then after HaLeigh went missing LE was watching him closely?

Most of my theories have Misty being 100% aware. If Misty killed Haleigh at or near the MH, and Tommy somehow ended up involved with it where he is the one who carried Haleigh away, then she might not know exactly where Haleigh ended up, but other than that, I think Misty knows everything else.

As far as Tommy, I haven't researched extensively into his background, but my impression is a downward spiral after Haleigh was gone.

MOO, I don't think any of the people in this case are completely 100% selfish and without feelings. I don't think there are very many, if any, people in the world who consider themselves 'the bad guy'. IMO, most people have rationalizations and justifications for their behavior that may not hold up to almost everyone else, but this is the belief system they operate under, and I think understanding that goes a long way towards understanding actions that otherwise seem so inexplicable.

This is why I can see the possibility of Tommy helping his sister because he loves her and wants to protect her, especially in the moment, but after it's all over, struggling with what has happened. If this is the case, it wouldn't surprise me if he talked to reduce his sentence, and it also wouldn't surprise me if he talked because he just couldn't keep quiet about it anymore.