George Sodder saw a picture of a young girl in a magazine that he believed was Betty

  • #221
Maybe these?
 

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  • #222
Maybe these?
 
  • #223
Perhaps the senders of the letter were foreign and writing in English? Maybe Italian like George.

Rather that meaning
Louis Sodder
I love brother Frankie
Ilil boys
A90135

I search li il on Google translate from Italian and means either there the or they're there.

Perhaps they meant

Louis Sodder
They're there/He's there
Love Frankie
A90135 - either meaning the location in Italy or license plate of Kentucky car??
 
  • #224
I really believe the photo George saw in the magazine was just wishful thinking on his part.
 
  • #225
I really believe the photo George saw in the magazine was just wishful thinking on his part.

The majority of me agrees with you to be honest.
What do you think about the photo sent years later of Louis?
 
  • #226
There was an article written in a magazine about the Sodder family and not long after that Jennie received the photo of "Louis". The most common theory is that someone sent the photo as a prank.
 
  • #227
Perhaps the senders of the letter were foreign and writing in English? Maybe Italian like George.

Rather that meaning
Louis Sodder
I love brother Frankie
Ilil boys
A90135

I search li il on Google translate from Italian and means either there the or they're there.

Perhaps they meant

Louis Sodder
They're there/He's there
Love Frankie
A90135 - either meaning the location in Italy or license plate of Kentucky car??

So playing on this, what caught my eye first, when hearing the story was the A90135. I immediately noticed it as a possible phone number. I'm from a very rural area in the south that didnt get 10 digit phone numbers til the early 70s. Most of the country had switched from the original "mapped" numbers where the letters represented a district or county for the switch board operators by the early 60s, but again, not everywhere, and certainly not in other countries. There are just so many clues to this case that noone bothered with, it drives me crazy. Of course there is no way to call or lookup that number now.
 
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  • #229
So playing on this, what caught my eye first, when hearing the story was the A90135. I immediately noticed it as a possible phone number. I'm from a very rural area in the south that didnt get 10 digit phone numbers til the early 70s. Most of the country had switched from the original "mapped" numbers where the letters represented a district or county for the switch board operators by the early 60s, but again, not everywhere, and certainly not in other countries. There are just so many clues to this case that noone bothered with, it drives me crazy. Of course there is no way to call or lookup that number now.


It is MASSIVELY frustrating to me that so much was ignored or disregarded/never bothered being looked into. There are so many holes it makes my brain want to explode
 
  • #230
It is MASSIVELY frustrating to me that so much was ignored or disregarded/never bothered being looked into. There are so many holes it makes my brain want to explode


Also i only thought postcode because if you search A90135, Italy it comes up as the postcode for a place in Sicily, i think thats a bit too spooky to be coincidence... What do you think?
 
  • #231

There were a lot of things that took place during this whole debacle. It's interesting to note that weeks before the fire, there was an insurance man who had come to the house and said that his home would catch fire and his children would be destroyed. Another visitor had come to the house and said that there would be a fuse box that would catch fire someday.
 
  • #232
How many times have you brought in a car to get worked on for the mechanic to tell you he found something else wrong. I believe the electrician was just telling George the fuse box was bad to get more business.

I will never believe the life insurance salesman threatened George simply because he didn't buy life insurance.
 
  • #233
How many times have you brought in a car to get worked on for the mechanic to tell you he found something else wrong. I believe the electrician was just telling George the fuse box was bad to get more business.

I will never believe the life insurance salesman threatened George simply because he didn't buy life insurance.

Wasn't there another person who had said that the electrical wiring was bad?

Both of these people may not have been making threats but actually making a sincere warning.
 
  • #234
Also i only thought postcode because if you search A90135, Italy it comes up as the postcode for a place in Sicily, i think thats a bit too spooky to be coincidence... What do you think?
Why would it be spooky?

Did the Sodders have had any connections with Sicily? George Sodder came from Sardinia, an island that though nearby was very different from Sicily, with its own very different language and a history of political separateness.

If we are talking about the Sicilian Mafia relocating the children there, we should first keep in mind that the Sicilian Mafia was anti-Mussolini.


They challenged the power of the Mussolini regime in the south and hampered his plans for regional economic depression. He intentionally maintained aggressive campaigns for two decades to suppress the Mafia. Ironically, the Mafia recovered only with the Allied invasion of Sicily in the Second World War, when it and its allies were able to present themselves as anti-fascists.

If Sodder was notably anti-Mussolini, if the Mafia in America cared at all they would probably approve of what he was doing.

With regards to the photo, if that actually was sent by Louis, why did he not include information that would let his family contact him? An Italian postal code or something that might be a phone number would not be enough. If this was a specific code that they knew, why did they not act on it or claim knowledge? If he was under surveillance by someone and was going to take the risk anyway of contacting his family, what would be the sense in taking the risk of sending a message that his family would not understand and that, if detected, could plausibly have severe consequences?
 
  • #235
Why would it be spooky?

Did the Sodders have had any connections with Sicily? George Sodder came from Sardinia, an island that though nearby was very different from Sicily, with its own very different language and a history of political separateness.

If we are talking about the Sicilian Mafia relocating the children there, we should first keep in mind that the Sicilian Mafia was anti-Mussolini.


They challenged the power of the Mussolini regime in the south and hampered his plans for regional economic depression. He intentionally maintained aggressive campaigns for two decades to suppress the Mafia. Ironically, the Mafia recovered only with the Allied invasion of Sicily in the Second World War, when it and its allies were able to present themselves as anti-fascists.

If Sodder was notably anti-Mussolini, if the Mafia in America cared at all they would probably approve of what he was doing.

With regards to the photo, if that actually was sent by Louis, why did he not include information that would let his family contact him? An Italian postal code or something that might be a phone number would not be enough. If this was a specific code that they knew, why did they not act on it or claim knowledge? If he was under surveillance by someone and was going to take the risk anyway of contacting his family, what would be the sense in taking the risk of sending a message that his family would not understand and that, if detected, could plausibly have severe consequences?

I believe the life insurance salesman was giving a sincere warning.

The Sodders received the photo after the story of the fire was in a well known magazine. It was more likely a cruel joke.

I never understood why people think the mafia had anything to do with it. As you stated the mafia hated Mussolini and at the time of the fire he was the second most hated man in the world right after Hitler.
 
  • #236
I believe the life insurance salesman was giving a sincere warning.

The Sodders received the photo after the story of the fire was in a well known magazine. It was more likely a cruel joke.

I never understood why people think the mafia had anything to do with it. As you stated the mafia hated Mussolini and at the time of the fire he was the second most hated man in the world right after Hitler.

I can imagine that some random person, Italian or otherwise, was upset with the Sodders and tried to kill them. In this case, the fire would have been arson and the children would be dead.

It is much more difficult to come up with a scenario where the Sodders children were kept alive. What, exactly, would be the point of doing that? This is the sort of thing that would have huge blowback, especially if the children were not only kept alive but allowed to be in public, attending dance classes and sending postcards even. What would be the point?

The only scenario that I can imagine where the missing children might still be alive would be one where the fire was set to cover the removal of the children from an abusive home. That scenario would nearly solve a few key issues, including not only the question of why people would undertake such a risky endeavour, but why the children never bothered to contact their birth family. Why would you want to get in touch with a birth family where the abuse was so bad you were willing to risk dying in a fire to get out (and other people were willing to do it)?

That scenario does not work with what we know of the Sodders. We have absolutely no reason to think abuse was present at all; they seem to have been a typical enough family. But if we exclude this scenario, what does this leave?
 

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